View Full Version : Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO Revealed
Doctor Setebos
10-21-2008, 03:39 PM
LucasArts and BioWare are teaming up to create an epic Star Wars MMO that will make everyone forget about Galaxies.
http://www.colonyofgamers.com/images/newsimages/SW-TOR-logo.jpg
The MMO takes place 300 years after the first KOTOR II, which puts it about 3,500 years before the film. You can choose between two factions, the Galactic Republic or the re-energized Sith Empire. You can also align yourself as a Dark or Light Side character in either situation. Two classes have been revealed: Jedi and Sith, both of which can use lightsabers and the Force early on.Source - Massively (http://www.massively.com/2008/10/21/star-wars-mmo-announced-as-the-old-republic/), Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/21/star-wars-the-old-republic-mmo-unveiled/)
Schnoogs
10-21-2008, 03:40 PM
hmmm....this just might be the first MMO I stick with.
The Iron Weasel
10-21-2008, 03:42 PM
Sad Panda.
President Fred
10-21-2008, 03:42 PM
I have never been into MMO's but I was in the Galaxy beta as my first and really only experience with them, so that might explain it. If this is good I would definitely be interested. I think it would take a Star Wars MMO to get me into the genre.
Young Al Capone
10-21-2008, 03:47 PM
The MMO takes place 300 years after the first KOTOR II...
What the fuck is the first KOTOR II?
Either way, like I said in that other thread, I would have rather had another single player RPG.
...and what does this mean for Mass Effect II? I can't be asked to wait longer.
DiBiddilyBop
10-21-2008, 03:51 PM
Star Wars deserves a good MMO. The potential is there, we just need the proper execution.
Reverant
10-21-2008, 03:52 PM
Ironically, I thought the graphic said "The Want is Over."
They need to have the same crafting system as SWG.
I guess Penny Arcade was right then.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060329.jpg
This is very much a wait and see for me right now. Far too early to make any real comment on it yet. I mean it's only very early production now, so there's definitely a lot more to come. It was very nice to see them to commit to a date of 'When it's done'. At least you know it'll have time to get beyond the potential of being good phase.
What the fuck is the first KOTOR II?
Clearly this means that they'll be remaking KOTOR II, and the new version will cover events that take place a bit later than anything in the first version.
It's the only logical explanation.
oooo....this could be the first mmo I try (something about mmo's that make me shudder).
JayK47
10-21-2008, 04:08 PM
Damnit. An MMO? Not interested.
...and what does this mean for Mass Effect II? I can't be asked to wait longer.
Absolutely nothing. This is the first project of their Austin, Texas studio, so it shouldn't affect the work being done in Canada.
Johan
10-21-2008, 04:22 PM
I didn't realize I was waiting. :D
Gwinny
10-21-2008, 04:29 PM
Ironically, I thought the graphic said "The Want is Over."
Ahaha...
It is for me! I'll play a complimentary month but I don't have the time commitment to justify paying for or playing MMOs.
There's a whole bunch of info over at Massively (http://www.massively.com) for anyone who's desperate for it. They're collecting it at the one place along with whatever they're finding out.
Xerxes
10-21-2008, 04:38 PM
One more reason not to update my PC. I don't need to get wrapped up in anything like this.
Disgustipated
10-21-2008, 04:41 PM
I would try this. Maybe. And I hate MMO's.
Widgetcraft
10-21-2008, 04:45 PM
I would need some hard fucking evidence that tells me this game isn't built from an assortment of hallways to even give it a chance.
Xerxes
10-21-2008, 04:46 PM
I would need some hard fucking evidence that tells me this game isn't built from an assortment of hallways to even give it a chance.
http://coreygilmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg
You need new material. :D
GigaFuzz
10-21-2008, 04:47 PM
I'll most likely try it, but I still think a 40k MMO will be my first.
Midrael
10-21-2008, 04:56 PM
Maybe.... maybe.. I was in the Galaxies beta and that held so much promise only to turn out no where near any of the potential it had.
We'll see as more information comes out and I hear some beta impressions once it gets that far.
Young Al Capone
10-21-2008, 04:59 PM
Clearly this means that they'll be remaking KOTOR II, and the new version will cover events that take place a bit later than anything in the first version.
It's the only logical explanation.
I don't follow.
Absolutely nothing. This is the first project of their Austin, Texas studio, so it shouldn't affect the work being done in Canada.
Good, carry on then.
Squidbot
10-21-2008, 05:05 PM
I like MMO's.
I like Star Wars.
I like Bioware.
Why don't I care about this?
Maskatron
10-21-2008, 05:06 PM
I'll be the odd man out and say I'm really looking forward to it. And I'm not really a MMO person.
As soon as Bioware explains how they will be keeping the population of Jedi down....and by down, I mean like 10-15% of the total population of each server can only be Jedi, then I might be interested.
Galaxies has left a bad taste in my mouth....like cheap tequilla.
I don't follow.
Well, referring to the first KOTOR II implies there will be a second KOTOR II - presumably a remake. And since they specified that the MMO takes place 300 years after the first KOTOR II, presumably this second KOTOR II covers a slightly different timeframe, or there would have been no need to specify.
Or they may have just made a weird mistake.
Schnoogs
10-21-2008, 05:22 PM
Galaxies has left a bad taste in my mouth....like cheap tequilla.
More like ass to mouth
crazyD
10-21-2008, 05:24 PM
As soon as Bioware explains how they will be keeping the population of Jedi down....and by down, I mean like 10-15% of the total population of each server can only be Jedi, then I might be interested.
Galaxies has left a bad taste in my mouth....like cheap tequilla.
Why would they have to do that? They are using a pretty unexplored section of Star Wars mythology, why can't there be a billion Jedis? Besides, its a fucking game, who cares?
I wasn't really interested until I read that each class has a separate story arc. If they can pull off something interesting for smugglers, I may be down. And I don't play MMOs.
VerseD
10-21-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm really interested to see how BioWare handles an MMO. Will there be more story arcs and a greater opportunity for player choice?
Saladin
10-21-2008, 05:43 PM
As soon as Bioware explains how they will be keeping the population of Jedi down....and by down, I mean like 10-15% of the total population of each server can only be Jedi, then I might be interested.
I'm the opposite, I hope it's near 100% Jedi on each side. SWG's biggest mistake in my opinion was designing a game that didn't really include the franchise's most iconic character; it was more Raph Koster's vision for a sandbox MMO in a generic sci-fi setting with the Star Wars license tacked on. (To clarify I quit long before the NGE).
I'm hoping almost all the classes are force-based because frankly if they have to balance Jedi so they're no more powerful than the guy that picked the "Generic Republic soldier" class it'll be really sad.
Goronmon
10-21-2008, 05:46 PM
My will to play another new game built around a grind is growing weak. I enjoy playing WAR, but I find myself realizing I'm only level 25 out of 40 and I feel the desire to play fading.
I want to play an MMO where you just play instead of seeing how fast you can fill up a transparent bar with color.
JediSanf
10-21-2008, 05:53 PM
Massively has a good interview up (mostly hyping the awesome story). One good point they make is about how the lack of a save really gives the choices more impact since it might be 15 hours into a character arc that would have to be repeated.
2 things:
Why would anyone not want to play as a Jedi? (They'll probably have to make it so Jedi can't do certain things like crafting or piloting or something.)
How do you balance the damn thing? Jedi are awesome. A level 70 Jedi (in the lore or whatnot) could only be killed by another Jedi or by surprise.
JediSanf
10-21-2008, 05:55 PM
My will to play another new game built around a grind is growing weak. I enjoy playing WAR, but I find myself realizing I'm only level 25 out of 40 and I feel the desire to play fading.
I want to play an MMO where you just play instead of seeing how fast you can fill up a transparent bar with color.
And I want to be able to solo doing it.
That where I'm hoping this "companion" feature comes into play. Fuck LFG, let me control my own party.
Disgustipated
10-21-2008, 05:56 PM
My will to play another new game built around a grind is growing weak. I enjoy playing WAR, but I find myself realizing I'm only level 25 out of 40 and I feel the desire to play fading.
I want to play an MMO where you just play instead of seeing how fast you can fill up a transparent bar with color.
Me too. I want a story-based MMO, KOTOR-style. That'd be beautiful.
As soon as Bioware explains how they will be keeping the population of Jedi down....and by down, I mean like 10-15% of the total population of each server can only be Jedi, then I might be interested.
Galaxies has left a bad taste in my mouth....like cheap tequilla.
there lies the rub.... ...when Bioware explains how they will be keeping the population of Jedi down to 10-15% they will lose the casual market. IMO, part of the reason WoW is successful is even if you are a casual player and don't raid or play hard, you can play any class you want and reach level 70. Most if not all can be solo'd to 70. You may not have the best gear but your character will get there. I think it is this accessibility that brought many of the casual gamers on board and kept them playing.
c0m3d14n
10-21-2008, 06:07 PM
i didnt like kotor too much, especialy the fighting, and i didnt like star wars galaxies (played only beta), so this is a meh for me
also a star wars mmo has the greatest potential for a very annoying community in my opinion ;)
TheEpicOfTyler
10-21-2008, 06:14 PM
I don't really dig the visuals in this much. =/
OldJadedGamer
10-21-2008, 06:20 PM
More like ass to mouth
But that's how you know she really loves you. Seriously, for me... no console, no sale.
Wilkz07
10-21-2008, 06:56 PM
well at least you know 90% will be sith.
Schnoogs
10-21-2008, 06:57 PM
I plan on being one of those little droids that rolls around like a moving shoebox
Disgustipated
10-21-2008, 07:03 PM
I plan on being one of those little droids that rolls around like a moving shoebox
http://swg.allakhazam.com/images/Guides/screenShot11129.jpg
Hotcod
10-21-2008, 07:27 PM
i should be really excited about this but for some reason i'm just really not... they've made a few of the choices i hoped they would make but they've simply not taken it far enough. They had the change to do something really really new but they didn't. They should make every one a jedi (with classes) along with a team of followers to fill out the other classes and all but give every one a ship from the off and go from there... instead we get one person following us around and the nightmare that is balancing jedi againts any other class.
MosBen
10-21-2008, 07:36 PM
It's Bioware and Star Wars. There's no physical way for me to be uninterested.
Goronmon
10-21-2008, 07:48 PM
There's no physical way for me to be uninterested.Physical? Just...ewww, man. They have special forums for that kind of stuff.
Widgetcraft
10-21-2008, 07:52 PM
http://coreygilmore.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg
You need new material. :D
It's not a bit; hallway level design is a antiquated way of doing things, especially for RPGs. It's the kind of thing that should have never made the transition from PS1/N64 to PS2/GC/XBOX.
carnage11
10-21-2008, 08:17 PM
Over $200 million? Wow.
As far as the "first KoTOR II"? I think maybe they are not making KoTOR MMO KoTOR III because they want to save that for the next game. I still have hope that they are making KoTOR III.
They've also said that they are putting more into this game than they've put into all of the other games they've made combined. That's a lot of effort, if this game sucks, well then shame on them. What a waste. I have a feeling it will be good though, and it might just be the first MMO that I play. (I played CoH and Matrix Online at a friends house, but I've not played a MMO on my own yet.)
KingGorilla
10-21-2008, 08:20 PM
Given that Bioware has never really made a multiplayer game, this is scary. NWN was all about user created content, and was probably their closest attempt. I am nervous that this will just be KOTOR + friends with a monthly fee.
Hotcod
10-21-2008, 08:36 PM
they've said when talking about being pressured by fans to do a kotor 3 that "there's enough content in here to call it kotor 3 4 5 or 6" or at lest something like that... and i'm not sure what to make of it since that is either them just saying there's a hell of a lot of stuff and people who want them to do kotor 3 will be happy enough until kotor 3 comes around oooooooooor more worryingly it can be taken as them saying 'we don't need to do a single player kotor 3 now' which is a bit gut wrenching to think about beacuse the kotor games are close to being my favourite series ever...
Which is why it's odd that i'm not more excited more kotor based stuff from the same people? i should be dancing around... i just feel that they will have to pull something amamzing out of the bag in an area they've never worked in before doing something that has never, with good reason, been tried before. I'm just not sure they can do it and if they are favouring this over any more kotor games i'm kind of sad about it.
I can but hope as we find more stuff out about the game that it starts getting me excited but ah well if i stay pessimistic i can only be surprised heh
Which is why it's odd that i'm not more excited more kotor based stuff from the same people?
It's not the same people, just the same company. They started a new studio in Austin for this project.
in an area they've never worked in before
They have MMORPG experience - it's what the studio was set up for. Just looking at the one top guy (Gordon Walton) mentioned on Wikipedia, he worked on Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and the Sims Online.
Xerxes
10-21-2008, 08:47 PM
Yeah, I'd still like them to do a game about Revan engaging these "true" sith.
Esquilax1138
10-21-2008, 08:47 PM
Even with so few details, I got wood. Really looking forward to this.
KingGorilla
10-21-2008, 08:55 PM
They have MMORPG experience - it's what the studio was set up for. Just looking at the one top guy (Gordon Walton) mentioned on Wikipedia, he worked on Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and the Sims Online.
Just gonna say, the beloved Everquest team made Vanguard. And I doubt anyone would brag about Sims Online or Star Wars Galaxies.
Someone mentioned making Jedis not THE class to be. Simple, make them the tanking class. Least played classes in most MMOs are the tanks and healers.
Hotcod
10-21-2008, 09:02 PM
It's not the same people, just the same company. They started a new studio in Austin for this project.
They have MMORPG experience - it's what the studio was set up for. Just looking at the one top guy (Gordon Walton) mentioned on Wikipedia, he worked on Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and the Sims Online.
Ah yes, thank you. i'd honestly forgotten that this was the set up and only just noticed some one pointed it out in this thread heh i really should go sleep...
Anyway gives me much less hope that this game is going to be any good and much more hope we'll see a full on kotor 3 when this thing falls flat on its face.
Johan
10-21-2008, 09:10 PM
Nowadays, if it's not co-op, it HAS to be an MMO.
Savok
10-21-2008, 09:14 PM
Yeah, I'd still like them to do a game about Revan engaging these "true" sith.
Considering the (unfinished) ending to KOTOR 2, I expect that's where it is (or was perhaps) headed.
This is exactly the fucking setting Star Wars setting Galaxies should of been, where not only are there Jedi everywhere, but people who know how to kill them and the equipment to counteract some of their shit like cortosis.
VerseD
10-21-2008, 09:43 PM
This is exactly the fucking setting Star Wars setting Galaxies should of been, where not only are there Jedi everywhere, but people who know how to kill them and the equipment to counteract some of their shit like cortosis.
It's true. I always thought it was retarded to see twenty Jedi running around an Imperial city in SWG, and I think most players did too.
I doubt BioWare will limit Jedi numbers in this game, and frankly they shouldn't. They'll just balance Jedi/Sith with other classes so the ranks are even.
Dukefrukem
10-21-2008, 10:33 PM
I would need some hard fucking evidence that tells me this game isn't built from an assortment of hallways to even give it a chance.
haha! or 5 hours elevator rides?
Schnoogs
10-21-2008, 10:51 PM
haha! or 5 hours elevator rides?
Loading screens...confusing some gamers since day one :p
Rilav
10-22-2008, 02:14 AM
I was originally like "I might try this"
then i read that they are including companions ala KOTOR which made me think
"a MMORPG with squad mechanics... could be interesting"
Rock Bandit
10-22-2008, 06:24 AM
I loved KOTOR but if this is not coming to consoles I don't care. Sorry PC guys but 5-year old computers from Wal-Mart don't have much magic and I'd prefer just KOTOR III.
Commissar Rob
10-22-2008, 06:55 AM
While I think this could be really cool, I have to agree with Xerxes' thought. By the time this hits, my computer will probably qualify for the minimum settings. I just can't see myself making the 1) monetary and 2) time investments to do much with this...
Though playing a gonk droid would be fun... :D
n00bian
10-22-2008, 07:37 AM
i just want to visit the droid planet as a hk-47 to be with my brothers and make up evil plans to kill all meatbags :)
I like what they've been saying, and I'm going to pretend I didn't hear about it at all yet. We've known this was coming but would not actually be out for years already, and I don't want to see or hear anything else about it until there is a beta test going so that we know launch should occur within a year.
Dukefrukem
10-22-2008, 07:59 AM
I'm actually replaying KOTOR right now because of this news.
Sandman
10-22-2008, 08:12 AM
I want this harder than I've wanted anything in recent memory. I guess there was no mention of a release date? I assume I have a year to save up for the gaming rig I'll need to buy for this.
DeathtollWRX
10-22-2008, 08:56 AM
This is a great idea, I would be down but I have a wife,kids,pets and a more than full time job with a commute.
No MMO's for me!
n00bian
10-22-2008, 09:09 AM
more like 2 years
DoctorFinger
10-22-2008, 09:58 AM
And EA has said that they're 'considering' bringing this (and Warhammer Online) to consoles at some point. I doubt it'll be launching on a console, but TOR is probably the best bet for a console MMORPG on the horizon at the moment.
kropotkin
10-22-2008, 10:32 AM
i just want to visit the droid planet as a hk-47 to be with my brothers and make up evil plans to kill all meatbags :)
What he said.
Oh and the screenies on Eurogamer appear to show environments found on KotOR II, which means they will be sharing environments/planets between the KotOR games and this MMO. Which is nice.
itchyeyes
10-22-2008, 10:57 AM
As big if a Bioware/KOTOR fan I am, MMO's aren't really my thing. My interest in this hinges just how much Bioware can manage to get away from the MMO formula that WoW has entrenched into the genre over the last 4 years, and offer me something new and different. That said, I'll definitely be watching this one eagerly, which is more than I can say for any other MMO that's come out since WoW.
Variable Gear
10-25-2008, 12:17 AM
I love all the info that's been revealed so far. We still don't know shit about this game.
Spectre-7
10-25-2008, 12:43 AM
I'm not much of an MMO guy, but I have to say that I'm looking forward to this. I really dug KOTOR, and I'm loving nearly everything said in the interviews at Massively.
Also, I've heard a rumor from a reputable source that this will be out sooner than people might think, but by how much they can't (or won't) say. Take that with a few grains of salt.
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