Far Cry 2

[Young Al Capone]

I know most of us haven't played it yet, myself included, but my anticipation for this title is at critical mass so I figured I would create a thread. Tomorrow quite simply cannot come soon enough, it seems like it is a million years away.

So who else is waiting with baited breath? What platform?

I will be playing on the 360, at least I hope that is what I preordered on as I forgot to specify. The first thing I plan on doing is burning an entire encampment straight to the ground, all hostilities are more than welcome.

[Schnoogs]

I thought it came out today?

[National Kato]

Reviews are coming in (Metacritic 360 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/farcry2), PC (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/farcry2), PS3 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/farcry2)) and they look great so far. I've got this preordered, so I'll be in Africa this weekend...or Albion...or Stillwater...or the Ishimura...or....

:D

[Young Al Capone]

I thought it came out today?

Ships today, curse the mailcarriers of the New America!

[Schnoogs]

Ships today, curse the mailcarriers of the New America!

Lame...I was gonna go pick it up today...oh well...tomorrow it is!

[Young Al Capone]

Reviews are coming in (Metacritic 360 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/farcry2)) and they look great so far. I've got this preordered, so I'll be in Africa this weekend...or Albion...or Stillwater...or the Ishimura...or....

:D

I am going to be having an extremely hard time returning to the Ishimura if this game is half as good as it looks. I plan on spending the rest of the year in Africa.

To think that only a month ago I had entirely ignored this game so as to not have anything ruined. What was I thinking? Now I devour any morsel of information I can attain with the desperation of starving swine.

[Schnoogs]

Ishimura?

What game is that?

[Young Al Capone]

Ishimura?

What game is that?

Dead Space.

[crazyD]

Anyone know if the restrictive DRM is included in the Steam release? I'd like to get it, but would rather avoid the 5 install limit, etc.

[axion]

Pre-ordered yesterday, I wish that you could pre-load for immediate gaming satisfaction tomorrow.
EDIT: From Steam's Far Cry 2 store page:
3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™ 5 machine activation limit
However I'm pretty sure this is the game with the revokes, when you uninstall you get an install back, so really I think it's more like 5 activations simultaneously.

[Young Al Capone]

Anyone know if the restrictive DRM is included in the Steam release? I'd like to get it, but would rather avoid the 5 install limit, etc.

Unfortunately it seems to be intact even with the steam version, which is bullshit. It doesn't really effect me as I am going 360, but that is only because my PC is not up to the task.

[crazyD]

Unfortunately it seems to be intact even with the steam version, which is bullshit. It doesn't really effect me as I am going 360, but that is only because my PC is not up to the task.

See, it's shit like this that can drive a person to pirate games. Personally, I'll probably just hold off on it, and maybe grab it when it hits the bargain bins.

[axion]

You honestly need the game installed on more than 5 machines simultaneously just for yourself? The reason I'm going Steam is more based on the fact that then I can use my Steam friends and stuff in the game, which is awesome, especially for some multiplayer.

[Goronmon]

Pre-ordered off Steam. Yeah, the DRM sucks, but my will to fight against DRM isn't strong enough to prevent me from buying titles I am really looking forward to.

[crazyD]

You honestly need the game installed on more than 5 machines simultaneously just for yourself? The reason I'm going Steam is more based on the fact that then I can use my Steam friends and stuff in the game, which is awesome, especially for some multiplayer.

No, but I really feel any limitation to be unreasonable. I buy off Steam for the ability to install a game on any system, at any time. I don't like the fact that I lose an install option when I get a new system, or experience a crash. I like Steam's DRM because it makes my life easier, I don't like supporting shitty companies that try to make my life harder for buying their product.

[Schnoogs]

See, it's shit like this that can drive a person to pirate games. Personally, I'll probably just hold off on it, and maybe grab it when it hits the bargain bins.

Or they could just buy it and then download a hacked version. I like how people so easily justify ripping off the company that creates something they so clearly want.

People never think this way when it comes to physical property...all logic seems to go out the window though when it's intellectual property though.

Not to pick on you but I don't like it when people rationalize another person's decision to commit theft.

[Young Al Capone]

That is exactly what I would do if I had newer hardware; buy the retail version and then find a crack.

[Ancalagon]

Or they could just buy it and then download a hacked version. I like how people so easily justify ripping off the company that creates something they so clearly want.

People never think this way when it comes to physical property...all logic seems to go out the window though when it's intellectual property though.

Not to pick on you but I don't like it when people rationalize another person's decision to commit theft.

I dont think it justifies piracy, but I dont like buying DRM-ed games because corporations are dictating what I can and cant do with my games. Even worse, it doesnt prevent piracy (as you have seen, it encourages it), and means you cant really sell your games or buy second hand games. All in the name of money.

[crazyD]

Or they could just buy it and then download a hacked version. I like how people so easily justify ripping off the company that creates something they so clearly want.

People never think this way when it comes to physical property...all logic seems to go out the window though when it's intellectual property though.

Not to pick on you but I don't like it when people rationalize another person's decision to commit theft.

First off, copywrite infringement is not theft, it is a separate and distinct action. Although, this is a separate topic, and I think this thread is already derailed enough.

Second, I do not like supporting a company that includes these kind of bull shit restrictions.

Third, all I said is that I could see how this could drive someone to pirate the game, not that I will do that. I may pick it up in a bargain bin later on down the line, but I will not give my $50 to a company that treats me poorly for purchasing their game legally.

[Schnoogs]

First off, copywrite infringement is not theft, it is a separate and distinct action. Although, this is a separate topic, and I think this thread is already derailed enough.

More rationalization. :confused:

It is a form of theft...call it what you want...it's illegal...it involves possession and the use of something that wasn't paid for or obtained legally.

Anything else is just semantics.

[crazyD]

More rationalization. :confused:

It is a form of theft...call it what you want...it's illegal...it involves possession and the use of something that wasn't paid for or obtained legally.

Anything else is just semantics.

It's not a form of theft, it is a form of copyright infringement. I'm not rationalizing the matter, or stating that one is worse or less legal then another. If I wanted to debate on this topic, I would start a new thread. It just annoys me when someone calls it theft, when it is not. Making an illegal copy of something is not the same thing as stealing.

[TheKeck]

So, Far Cry 2. I'm way excited, eh. I won't be playing it until Christmas, though.

[Schnoogs]

It's not a form of theft, it is a form of copyright infringement. I'm not rationalizing the matter, or stating that one is worse or less legal then another. If I wanted to debate on this topic, I would start a new thread. It just annoys me when someone calls it theft, when it is not. Making an illegal copy of something is not the same thing as stealing.

I'm sure we can both agree it's illegal and at the expense of the copywrite holder. It's not a victimless crime.

[DiBiddilyBop]

So yeah... I'm really excited about Far Cry 2 as well. I pre-ordered on Steam weeks ago and have been anxiously awaiting moving it up into "Installed."

[digitalErich]

I'm excited for this game, but I'm going to hold off on grabbing it from Steam until after I finish Fable2 and Gears (maybe).

[divinechaos]

Two pages and no quick impressions of the game? I'll buy it once I get through Fable II.

[Goronmon]

Sucks that you can't get it from Steam until tomorrow afternoon or so.

[National Kato]

Two pages and no quick impressions of the game? I'll buy it once I get through Fable II.

A) No one has it yet.

B) If you go into your settings and make the posts-per-page amount higher, it's only one page with no impressions. :D

[TheKeck]

B) If you go into your settings and make the posts-per-page amount higher, it's only one page with no impressions. :D
This is the most important thing. ;)

[Kryopsis]

This is the most important thing. ;)

That was funny.


I have the game pre-ordered but I assume I am not going to receive the other half of my computer parts until Friday.

[TheKeck]

That was funny.
Thank you, sir. :D

[SilentScreams]

DRM (the biggest fuss over nothing on the internet) or not, I'm buying this for my PC and then somehow splitting my time between this and Fable 2.

[bryan]

DRM (the biggest fuss over nothing on the internet) or not, I'm buying this for my PC and then somehow splitting my time between this and Fable 2.

QFT. Unless it fucks up my computer I don't have a problem with in. If you don't like it, vote with your dollar and don't buy the game. And don't play it either.

[KingGorilla]

I have a problem with it, but let's face it: Eventually the game companies will see that fighting piracy costs so much more money than just axing the DRM ever could. Happened with music, happening slowly with video. GSC, CD Projekt, and Stardock are ahead of the curve on this.

[Disgustipated]

I just bought Far Cry 2 on Steam. I think it'll easily be worth $45.

[Schnoogs]

I have a problem with it, but let's face it: Eventually the game companies will see that fighting piracy costs so much more money than just axing the DRM ever could. Happened with music, happening slowly with video. GSC, CD Projekt, and Stardock are ahead of the curve on this.

Tell that to Valve.

[Young Al Capone]

The reviews (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/944400.asp) are starting to show up all over the place (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/farcry2?q=far%20cry), and it sounds like it is excellent.

[Jackel]

I was going to hold off and pick this up when it hit the bargain bin...but Steam has this way of sucking me in. I picked it up last night before the 5$ discount was gone.

[National Kato]

I was going to hold off and pick this up when it hit the bargain bin...but Steam has this way of sucking me in. I picked it up last night before the 5$ discount was gone.

If anyone would buy this, you'd think you would. :)

[Food Nipple]

It's not a form of theft, it is a form of copyright infringement. I'm not rationalizing the matter, or stating that one is worse or less legal then another. If I wanted to debate on this topic, I would start a new thread. It just annoys me when someone calls it theft, when it is not. Making an illegal copy of something is not the same thing as stealing.

I'm a little late to the party here, but no one's talking about the actual game here, so I'll just say, it's theft. I used to parrot that same line, but Ox convinced me otherwise with a single post.

It might help to point out that criminal law regarding property recognizes the distinction you're talking about. The unlawful taking the property of another with intent to deprive is known as larceny, a flavor of theft. So taking the only copy of the source code would be larceny, but merely copying the source code and selling it yourself would not.

However, not all theft is necessarily larceny. For example, say I hacked into Coca-Cola's server and acquired the Secret Formula (which someone actually did a couple years ago). Then I took that trade secret and tried to sell it to Pepsi. This is known as "theft of trade secrets", and it's easy to see why: it is the acquisition of the property of another and the conversion of it to your own profit, to the original owner's detriment. In a like manner, it's often considered a form of theft to steal someone's car and go joyriding, even if you intend to return the car later. Larceny is not the only kind of theft.

[Young Al Capone]

If anyone would buy this, you'd think you would. :)

I was thinking the same thing, I mean it is a whole game dedicated to hunting down your name sake.

[Schnoogs]

I was going to hold off and pick this up when it hit the bargain bin...but Steam has this way of sucking me in. I picked it up last night before the 5$ discount was gone.

The bargain bin? The game has been getting extremely positive reviews.

[crazyD]

The bargain bin? The game has been getting extremely positive reviews.

So is a ton of other stuff out now. And I'm sure the next few weeks will be full of games with positive reviews as well.

[Schnoogs]

So is a ton of other stuff out now. And I'm sure the next few weeks will be full of games with positive reviews as well.

And your point? :confused:

[bryan]

I think he means given long enough, any game hits the bargain bin. I don't think the bargain bin comment was a judgment on the game.

[Schnoogs]

I think he means given long enough, any game hits the bargain bin. I don't think the bargain bin comment was a judgment on the game.

I usually use the term "bargain bin" to describe crap...

[crazyD]

And your point? :confused:

That there is a ton of good games coming out, so some will likely become bargain bin purchases for people who cannot afford them all?

[Schnoogs]

That there is a ton of good games coming out, so some will likely become bargain bin purchases for people who cannot afford them all?

His post was a bit confusing...a mere $5 off stopped him from waiting for a game to hit the bargain bin. When I think bargain bin I think crappy games that cost like $9.99.

[Goronmon]

I usually use the term "bargain bin" to describe crap...It used to mean that, now it seems like it means almost any game that scores below an 85 on review sites and has been out for at least 6 months.

[Adam Blue]

I'm interested in the differences between PC/Console. I generally prefer my FPS's (like a Far Cry sequel) on PC, but couch + gamepad + giant LCD + Live is also an incentive.

[squirrelTactics]

I've been playing the game for a couple hours now, and it is killer. I've got to go to class right now, but I'll get on a bit later to post some more in-depth first impressions.

[Young Al Capone]

Fuck yes, finally someone has it. I am anticipating your impressions.

[TheKeck]

It used to mean that, now it seems like it means almost any game that scores below an 85 on review sites and has been out for at least 6 months.
Really, I always thought the bargain bin meant the place in the store where they sell titles at reduced rates. You know, the place where all games go eventually? You can pick up the original FarCry for $10 these days. Was it a "bargain bin" game by your definition?

[National Kato]

Really, I always thought the bargain bin meant the place in the store where they sell titles at reduced rates.

Seriously. These new kids with their 'slang' and all. A bargain bin is a bin full of bargains. It has nothing to do with quality.

[Bingley Joe]

Seriously. These new kids with their 'slang' and all. A bargain bin is a bin full of bargains. It has nothing to do with quality.

Sometimes it has everything to do with quality.. I picked up a copy of Rallisport Challenge 2 for $3.99 the last time I was in an EBGames. $3.99!!

Sure I may be holding onto some completely delusional hope that I'll ever be able to play it again, but that is one hell of a great game for four bucks :p

[LarsenNET]

All games hit the bargain bin at some point. Look at Assassins Creed $23.99, Orange Box $27.99, Mass Effect $24.99. All Amazon prices.

[TheKeck]

Seriously. These new kids with their 'slang' and all. A bargain bin is a bin full of bargains. It has nothing to do with quality.
Seriously! Get off my lawn! :p

[Goronmon]

Was it a "bargain bin" game by your definition?That bin of audio cassettes I saw a few years ago comes to mind. Or those bins of games and videos at places like Wal-mart where even $5 seems expensive.

I've rarely actually seen a "bin" of anything that contained content I would be willing to pay for. Now it seems people toss that around anytime they are discussing cheap games. Just doesn't sit right with me, I guess, haha.

[muddi900]

I have a backlog of movies and games. When I get through them,Fable 2 and Dead Space, I will check this out. Untill then I'm gonna feed myself with that awesome trailer with Rachid Taha!

[squirrelTactics]

Alright, just got back from class, had to play it a bit more, heh. This is really just me jotting down my thoughts as they come to me, don't expect anything too well-written.


So far the game is a lot of fun. The environments are gorgeous (when the seeings are turned up :p) and the character models look great. I've only played for about 2 or so hours, so I've only completed a few of the missions.

The open-world aspect of it really works well, especially when you are set to take down a base. It kind of reminded me of Crysis Warhead in that you don't really have any defined method of accomplishing your task, it just lets you do things your way.

Commuting can get a little annoying, especially when you have to travel from one corner to another. I'm not sure if there is a quick-travel option, but if there is, I haven't found it yet. Driving isn't too bad, which is a relief. The vehicles are fairly easy to steer, and all of them have a dash-mounted GPS device so you don't have to try and drive with that map in your face.

I haven't really figured out the full-depth of the buddy system, but one of my buddies has rescued me from a battle. I have no idea how he knew I was there, but hey, who am I to argue?

The combat feels tight, and aiming is nice and responsive (with some games I feel like I'm "dragging" the reticle around the screen, I dunno if that makes sense or not, its the only way I can describe it) and the weapons have a nice look to them. Its a lot of fun to use the flamethrower to set fire to the underbrush and watch the flames spread, that was a cool little addition.

So far my only gripes with the game is the lack of quick travel, and for whatever reason, when driving a boat around, you can't quick-switch to the turret (but you can with the jeep?).


Sorry for the rambling-quality of this, I'm just throwin my impressions out there.


EDIT: The AI isn't too bad. They haven't done anything really spectacular, but they aren't total retards, either.

[Young Al Capone]

Nice, sounds good, thanks for the impressions. I picked up my copy at lunch and cannot wait to play some tonight, but I have plans so who knows how much I will actually get to play.

[National Kato]

Copy is in hand. I have dinner with the SO tonight, so I won't be able to give it a try until late.

[AliasRomanian]

I've played like 4 hours of it last night mostly just running around and hunting for the blood diamonds and trying to save good ol' Leo.

[Sl1pstream]

The 1up review mentioned having to find a cure when you get malaria. How bad is that?

[National Kato]

The 1up review mentioned having to find a cure when you get malaria. How bad is that?

I've seen the effect it has on your vision/mobility. Pretty cool that you'll have to take pills for it if you have it.

[TheKeck]

Thanks Squirrel, I'm more excited already.

[squirrelTactics]

The 1up review mentioned having to find a cure when you get malaria. How bad is that?

It's not too bad, at least so far. You have to drive to a church to get the pills, which is really just an excuse to get you to travel to the main town. My first bottle hasn't run out yet.

Thanks Squirrel, I'm more excited already.

No problem, I do what I can. :)

[Nura]

AI seems abit slow for me sometimes, but nothing game breaking. As for quick travel, there are busstations around the world, that allows you to quick travel between them.

What i really love is the HUD, or lack of same, it only shows you what you need to see, there's no crosshair and ammo / health only shows when you are in combat. Damage to cars are show with smoke, and mounted LMGs shows overheating with smoke aswell.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Just remoted into my home computer to see the download finished. Can't wait to play when I get home!

[TheKeck]

AI seems abit slow for me sometimes,
What do you mean exactly? AI characters move slowly? They are slow, as in, stupid? The computer has a hard time processing the AI?

[Nura]

What do you mean exactly? AI characters move slowly? They are slow, as in, stupid? The computer has a hard time processing the AI?

Sometimes it takes them awhile to "see" me even though i'm right in front of them.

Also, they always get out of the car, just asking to get shot, instead of using the mounted gun.

[TheKeck]

Sometimes it takes them awhile to "see" me even though i'm right in front of them.

Also, they always get out of the car, just asking to get shot, instead of using the mounted gun.
Gotcha. Thanks.

[Wackman3000]

Anyone playing on PC with a 5.1 setup?

I can't seem to get surround sound out of the game, and there are no options in game.

[Schnoogs]

Just picked it up...stoaked to go home and play

[Sl1pstream]

I decided not to get this and get a pair of A40s instead.

[Nura]

Anyone playing on PC with a 5.1 setup?

I can't seem to get surround sound out of the game, and there are no options in game.

I'm playing with quad setup, and it seems to be working fine for me. I take it your computer is setup to use 5.1 as standard?

[Crittias]

Commuting can get a little annoying, especially when you have to travel from one corner to another. I'm not sure if there is a quick-travel option, but if there is, I haven't found it yet.Not exactly quick-travel, but you can catch a bus that has a few stops spread around the map.

[Reverant]

Played for an hour. It's a bit different than I expected, though to be honest I didn't read any previews. Couple things stuck out.

This game has few similarities with the original. There is no prone position or leaning, and no stealth elements that I've noticed. I could be wrong, but those awesome guerrilla style fights from Far Cry and Crysis are not here. Very simplistic. Has a dumbed down console feel to it, almost.

On the other hand, it looks and plays very well. I set a guy on fire, and he wandered into the brush and set the countryside on fire. That was cool. The driving sections handle great, and the game world is entirely open-ended. I can tell there's a lot of fun to be had here.

The game has a lot of promise and looks to be fun, but it feels like they were developing a different game and added the Far Cry label for familiarity. I'm disappointed by the dumbed down nature of the combat, but hopefully the atmosphere and open-endedness make up for it.

[Goronmon]

I want to play, but Vista is being a dick and won't let me install new drivers.

[H.Bogard]

I love the fire propogation and ammo box explosions. They add to some pretty cool unscripted moments.

My gripes are that in the major combat zones (the larger enemy bases) have very limited points of entry. I've been caught 3 or 4 times while just trying to look for a place to scout from with my binocs.

This definitely isn't the same Far Cry gameplay that we're used to. Its just best if you play it without those expectations, it'll turn out to be fun.

[Nura]

Just wanted to add this:

I cannot wait to see what people come up with in the editor. Easily the best map editor i've ever seen, so easy to use. Man i hope Ubi releases some kind of SDK aswell for this game.

[KingGorilla]

The last time I remember them releasing some manner of an SDK was for one of the Ultimate Might and Magics, they are not so much with the mods, but tend to supply good map making tools.

[Wilkz07]

Its actually better than i thought. gunplay is as realistic as the first game with no cross-hair, graphics are pretty good and the sound is great (nothing like tin sounding guns like SoF).

Driving is pretty solid but i haven't figured out if you can change the camera to behind car (not sure that you can) . if you can't change the camera then you rely on a gps device on the dash. Also when walking around you have a map and portable gps (has built in diamond locator :) )

overall story has been fun, haven't tried multiplayer yet

[Goronmon]

Alright enjoying myself quite a bit. Little touches like the way GPS and maps are used make a difference, rather than just pop-up map over the entire screen like with most games.

Already had a pretty cool moment. Came over a ridge into a group of buildings I thought was clear. So, I tried backing up in the slow crappy car. As I got back to the fork in the road and turn to pull away, a couple of enemies had gotten in a jeep and were coming straight at me. They decided to t-bone my vehicle flipping it over on it's back with me in it. I crawled out and hide behind the car as we fought it out.

Pretty badass if you ask me.

[squirrelTactics]

Driving is pretty solid but i haven't figured out if you can change the camera to behind car (not sure that you can) . if you can't change the camera then you rely on a gps device on the dash.

You can't go into any 3rd person mode, they wanted to preserve "the immersion"

[Schnoogs]

Game is interesting so far...already tired of answering the phone...the visibility isnt all that great.

Dead Space seems to be wow'ing me more

[Goronmon]

Damn, got owned by lack of auto-save. Lost an hours worth of work. You think after playing games all these years I would remember to check to auto-save before not saving regularly.

[Orca]

The GPS has been pretty neat and I'm always slamming on the brakes to hunt down diamonds after seeing the green blip. I have to admit that it's odd to see some crappy car in the middle of the worst part of a shanty town has a GPS on the dash...

Playing on the 360 and the game looks beautiful, but I'm just not really getting into the story all that much. The dangers of a 'go anywhere, do anything' world, I suppose.

[VerseD]

These impressions sound really good. I loved the open stages of Crysis where you could roam the jungle and deal with obstacles in different ways. Far Cry 2 sounds like all the best parts of Crysis, without the stupid alien stages at the end.

Or they could just buy it and then download a hacked version. I like how people so easily justify ripping off the company that creates something they so clearly want.

People never think this way when it comes to physical property...all logic seems to go out the window though when it's intellectual property though.

The difference is that with these DRM-infected games you get a better product for free (by stealing) than what you'll get for $50 in the store. I think this inequity, combined with a lack of repercussions for most users, is what drives people to download the games they want.

[Young Al Capone]

I played for a few hours last night and I am very pleased with what I have seen so far. It is beautiful, and the gameplay is great. I have already had quite a few of those 'moments' where you can't help but be amazed with the way that things played out, so cinematic.

I really cannot wait to play some more later today, in fact I am having a rough morning cause I stayed up too late playing it.

Edit: Okay, now I have a good minute for some real impressions.

So first off the game is very good looking, the big rocks can look a little plasticy and there is a little bit of pop in (360) but overall the game is a real looker. I saw plenty of different environments, jungle, savannah, desert and sand dunes. All of it very impressive, especially the sand dunes.

As far as gameplay goes I found it plays pretty similar to the first, but a little faster paced. It is pretty easy to get noticed if you aren't being rather careful, so stealth is harder to do now. The guns are awesome, but the hand me downs you get from drops often jam. It isn't a terribly big deal, but can make for a tense moment. The character is plenty mobile, I often found myself leaping off of rocks into camp sites and sliding into doorways to avoid gunfire.

Fire; fire is awesome. I was mostly using it as a diversion, but often times it will start up without you even noticing it and next thing you know you are in the middle of a huge fire. The fire propagates itself pretty believably, and gets out of control really easily. I would start fires to flush people out or distract them but often times a fire would get big enough that I had to avoid it as well.

The immersion is great, you actually have a body that is animated to do all of the things you may engage in. It is pretty surprising how well the body animates. For example; last night I was in a boat and being attacked, the boat was in pretty bad shape but I had to get rid of my persuers first. So after dispactching them with a grenade in the middle of thier boat, I turned around to fix my boat only to notice it was on fire a moment too late. As it exploded my character brought his arms up to shield his face and then went flailing into the air, all animated spectacularly. It was very cinematic.

As for the complaints I read in some reviews, the malaria isn't a big deal at all, neither are the roadside checkpoints. I had malaria fits in the middle of gun fights and they were no bigger deal than a gun jamming, which is only a real big deal if you are out of cover and being fired on by multiple foes. As for the checkpoint, I am actually happy that they are pretty frequent otherwise a five minute walk between checkpoints after destroying my vehicle would have been considerably worse. Either way, I would just dirve by checkpoints otherwise. The river checkpoints were not so easy, and I avoided traveling by river too much because of them. Driving does take a long time, it is a rather big map.

Oh yeah, and the AI. I have seen it do everything from flanking me from two points while another guy held my attention to standing around dumbfounded after I through a grenade under thier Jeep, so it seems to be a mixed bag. They do get jams though, last night I molotoved a guy who was slamming on this gun to get the clip free, molotoved him right in the face.

[Crittias]

Gameplay comments:
As stated before, gameplay is simpler than in many games. Running is very limited, giving you the chance to sprint for only a few seconds at a time. No leaning, no prone. Your map is actually weapon 5, which feels both realistic and offers you a bit of a challenge (do you feel safe enough to put away your weapon and refer to your map?) Weapons feel solid, fire and explosions are fantastic. AI is sometimes a bit slow, but generally quite good.

There is no prone position or leaning, and no stealth elements that I've noticed.There are opportunities for stealth. I have snuck up on numerous enemies and macheted them in the back. I've also taken out an entire base with a silenced pistol.

Technical comments:
From a technical standpoint, some interesting results of benchmarking: DX10 runs a good 5-8fps FASTER than DX9 on my computer. And 4xAA @ 1440x900 results in maybe a 1-2fps hit.

Specs:
E8400
8800 GTS 512
4GB
Vista x64
Average FPS: 45+ (it's usually at 60fps, except for the most intense action sequences, when I dip into the 30s)

I'm very pleased with both the gameplay mechanics and the technical performance of the game.

[National Kato]

Had about an hour late last night with this after getting further annoyed with the Fable 2 expression system and the fact that the game has too many loading screens and delays during dialogue. Ugh.

Anyway, only about three missions in and I had a great moment:

It was night and the moon was full. The environment looks spectacular at different times of day. I had to get back to a safehouse in order to sleep, but there was a checkpoint between me and my goal and I didn't feel like slogging through the insect-infested jungles to get there. So I drove up to the outskirts of the crossroads and got out of my car. I could see the dancing light of the fires they had lit in trashcans - good, I thought, they'd be more nightblind than me.

After crouching behind the bole of a large tree, listening to their conversation, I stepped out and lobbed a grenade high into the middle of the small tin shelter they were using. The men fell silent, I suppose sensing my presence but unsure...and then one of them said, "Hey, what was that?" as my grenade came to a rest on the ground. BOOM! The explosive went off, sending corrugated sheet metal, debris and bodies flying.

One man had left the 'safety' of the checkpoint, presumably to take a piss, so he survived the explosion. I ran out of the darkness towards him, his confusion causing him to look in the opposite direction, and hacked him down with my machete.

:D

Also, I tried a Team Deathmatch round last night and, as expected, there isn't much teamwork yet and a lot of players dropping after connecting. Hopefully, that will work itself out as players decide to either stick with it or move back to their FPS du jour.

Does anyone know how you play or find the extra missions that came with a GameStop preorder? Apparently, there's '3 hours' of extra content? But after unlocking it in the menu I couldn't find an option to play them - so I'm assuming they're integrated into the main campaign? Any ideas?

[Schnoogs]

The difference is that with these DRM-infected games you get a better product for free (by stealing) than what you'll get for $50 in the store. I think this inequity, combined with a lack of repercussions for most users, is what drives people to download the games they want.

That's why I steal cars...it's a better product since I don't have to hassle with the credit check, financing, etc. :rolleyes:

[Grifter]

That's why I steal cars...it's a better product since I don't have to hassle with the credit check, financing, etc. :rolleyes:

Last time I checked financing and credit checks have nothing to do with the performance or reliability of a car. Your logic bone seems to be broken.

[Young Al Capone]

Your logic bone seems to be broken.

His logic bone is fine. What it comes down to is don't steal shit, it isn't cool and for every justification it still comes back to the fact that shit is being stolen.

[Virtual Machine]

Did my first Arms merchant mission last night, hitting a convoy of "shitty AK's". It ended with a LOT of burning jungle after nightfall - and it was beautiful. I LOVE this game! :)

[Schnoogs]

Last time I checked financing and credit checks have nothing to do with the performance or reliability of a car. Your logic bone seems to be broken.

Your brain seems to be broken...those are both rationalizations for stealing a car. Performance or reliability doesn't justify theft.

Otherwise we would all just steal XBox 360's. :p

[National Kato]

I want to add a comment on AI:

Although I've only played for about an hour, I've seen some impressive AI from my enemies. I had to clean out a small lumber yard early on. I counted (using my monocular) four enemies in the camp, all situated about a machine gun post. One guy was drinking from a bottle, another was smoking, and they all were talking to each other...but I was too far to hear.

I crept along the outskirts of the camp, trying to find a way to my target with the least amount of noise. As I was crouching behind some felled timber, I noticed the soldier who had been drinking walking in my direction. He stopped to relieve himself (apparently, there's a lot of pissing in this game) - but unfortunately decided to do so next to an explosive barrel. Poor choice. I figured now was my chance...

I opened fire on the barrel from behind cover, killing the one soldier. The others now began swarming like ants, but I couldn't poke my head out long enough with the monocular to get a look at where they were. Usually, in an FPS like this I can bide my time in the confusion and pick off the enemies as they get closer, as they usually have no idea where I am.

Not this time.

As I was preparing to move to another vantage point, I heard gunfire and I began taking bullets...I couldn't understand who was shooting as I was behind good cover. Ultimately, one of the soldiers had flanked all the way around to my left and approached me from behind, out of the jungle. I never saw him flank nor did I hear him coming.

Now, I don't feel so safe using my normal tactics. I'm going to have to be better about this...In the aftermath, as the bodies lay on the ground, I realized there was at least three perfect paths around the lumber yard where I could've approached my target (a 'person of interest') without alerting any of the soldiers. I'll have to try a stealth approach soon...

[I am playing on the Hardcore difficulty setting.]

[DiBiddilyBop]

Pretty sure this is a thread about Far Cry 2, not piracy.

I haven't ran into any "cinematic" moments yet, however I am having a lot of fun with this game. I need to start using weapons that go boom and light fires more, I suppose.

I really dig the immersion aspects of the game and how you're never taken out of the mix. I was hesitant about the no crosshairs thing, but after playing I realized that I hardly ever shoot from the hip anyway, so it wasn't an issue. I also dig how the map is done, although I'm not sure I really understand the scouting feature because it kind of seems useless to me. Maybe I'm just not doing it right.

I've only done the main storyline missions that get you the malaria medicine and then departed the church to just run around the world. I did a couple of the weapon shop missions and one that I got from a cell tower (kill some dude in a suit in the middle of a heavily armed facility) and had a great time with all of them. I'm in desperate need of some heavier weaponry though and need to do some diamond hunting and more weapon shop missions to get the big guns.

Overall, I think the game is fantastic. I haven't really played an open-world FPS like this before, and so far I'm really digging it.

[Schnoogs]

Pretty sure this is a thread about Far Cry 2, not piracy..

Pretty sure we were talking about pirating Far Cry 2 because of it's DRM.

[Food Nipple]

1up is reporting (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170866)that Far Cry 2's widescreen is cropped in the same manner as Bioshock's. I'm assuming it can't be that big of a deal since no one has brought it up, but I'm still surprised that someone would make the same mistake after the negative reaction to Bioshock's widescreen mode.

http://media.1up.com/media?id=3637297&type=lg

[Goronmon]

1up is reporting (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170866)that Far Cry 2's widescreen is cropped in the same manner as Bioshock's. I'm assuming it can't be that big of a deal since no one has brought it up, but I'm still surprised that someone would make the same mistake after the negative reaction to Bioshock's widescreen mode.Damnit, that explains why I felt the view from inside vehicles seemed way too limited.

And you probably aren't hearing many complaints because most games start off in a widescreen resolution if you are using a widescreen monitor, so it's not something that is usually immediately noticeable.

So yeah, that sucks and annoys me.

[Bingley Joe]

Pretty sure we were talking about pirating Far Cry 2 because of it's DRM.

Pretty sure it's much more interesting to just talk about the game and let that battered old horse quietly decompose..

[Schnoogs]

Pretty sure it's much more interesting to just talk about the game and let that battered old horse quietly decompose..

The DRM is apart of the game...I don't recall seeing "Gameplay" in the thread title. :rolleyes:

[Goronmon]

The DRM is apart of the game...I don't recall seeing "Gameplay" in the thread title. :rolleyes:So? You can play it on a 360. Doesn't mean people want to see an argument over whether the 360 is a better console than the PS3 or something.

Discussing DRMs affect on FC2 is fine. Discussing the merits of DRM in general and arguing over the definition of piracy should be in a separate thread.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Pretty sure we were talking about pirating Far Cry 2 because of it's DRM.

By that logic you could turn every thread about a PC game into a thread about piracy because with very few exceptions, they all have DRM. Just let it go. Please.

[National Kato]

On topic...

...although I'm not sure I really understand the scouting feature because it kind of seems useless to me. Maybe I'm just not doing it right.

I find it invaluable. Here are my thoughts:

When looking through the monocular, the red ring around your scope will turn green at times. If you pull the right trigger when it's green, it'll update your map with defined info (health stations, ammo crates, mounted gun nests, sniper positions, etc.). You can get some of this without pulling the trigger - simply by looking at objects - but it won't be as precise.

It's hella-useful if you're in a firefight and need to know where the syrettes are or where an ammo crate is if you need to create a diversion away from where you are.

[Schnoogs]

So? You can play it on a 360. Doesn't mean people want to see an argument over whether the 360 is a better console than the PS3 or something.

Discussing DRMs affect on FC2 is fine. Discussing the merits of DRM in general and arguing over the definition of piracy should be in a separate thread.

Please share with us then your non DRM related thoughts about Far Cry.

Instead of crying about the thread being off track actually contribute something to get it back on. :p

[Schnoogs]

Just let it go. Please.

Advice is almost best taken by the one giving it.

[Goronmon]

Please share with us then your non DRM related thoughts about Far Cry.I already have. It's not my fault you are too busy baiting people into arguments to actually bother reading them.

Also, I posted some impressions on my blog.

http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/blog.php?b=315

[violent]

I use a fixed exe. DRM problem solved.

[Bingley Joe]

The DRM is apart of the game...I don't recall seeing "Gameplay" in the thread title. :rolleyes:

Seriously? Besides arguing for the sake of arguing, why the fuck would you want to gum up a thread that's so full of interesting gameplay observations with such a tedious, boring debate??

Especially when there's already a thread dealing with DRM in Far Cry 2!! (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=1274)

[Schnoogs]

I already have. .

Then move along and stop sniffling.

[Goronmon]

Then move along and stop sniffling.You can go suck a dick.

[TheKeck]

Holy CRAP you guys are STILL going on about DRM?!

[DiBiddilyBop]

On topic...



I find it invaluable. Here are my thoughts:

When looking through the monocular, the red ring around your scope will turn green at times. If you pull the right trigger when it's green, it'll update your map with defined info (health stations, ammo crates, mounted gun nests, sniper positions, etc.). You can get some of this without pulling the trigger - simply by looking at objects - but it won't be as precise.

It's hella-useful if you're in a firefight and need to know where the syrettes are or where an ammo crate is if you need to create a diversion away from where you are.

I guess the thing is without a HUD or radar, I don't get a lot of use out of it. Generally I don't pull my map out while I'm under fire, and if I'm not under fire, that usually means everyone else is dead and I have time to go around looking for what I need.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have it this way than the alternative of actually having a HUD or radar because I love the immersion, but as it's implemented, I just don't use it much.

Might just be my play style.

[Schnoogs]

Seriously? Besides arguing for the sake of arguing, why the fuck would you want to gum up a thread that's so full of interesting gameplay observations with such a tedious, boring debate??

Especially when there's already a thread dealing with DRM in Far Cry 2!! (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=1274)

You do understand that it wasn't me that brought up the whole DRM/piracy issue??

Try reading the thread next time. If you're gonna bore us with a speech try giving it to those who actually derailed this thing...and not to those who showed up after the train wreck happened.

[Schnoogs]

You can go suck a dick.

I reported this post...way to be the first one to resort to childish insults.

[Goronmon]

I reported this post...way to be the first one to resort to childish insults.I have no problem stooping to your level, honestly.

[DoctorFinger]

Enough with this shit.