Divinity II Demo Now Available for 360 & PC

[DoctorFinger]

CDV has announced that a demo of their action RPG Divinity II: Ego Draconis is now available for the 360 and PC. The Xbox demo can be downloaded from the dashboard or by clicking here (http://marketplace.xbox.com/games/offers/0ddf0001-0000-4000-8000-0000445487d7?cid=majornelson&partner=majornelson).

The PC demo is available from the following mirrors:

- Worthplaying (http://www.worthdownloading.com/game.php?gid=3612)
- FilePlanet (http://www.fileplanet.com/208346/200000/fileinfo/Divinity-II:-Ego-Draconis-Demo)
- Big Download (http://www.bigdownload.com/games/divinity-2-ego-draconis/pc/divinity-2-demo/)
- Spawnpoint
(http://www.spawnpoint.com/PC/downloads/7046/Divinity_2_-_Ego_Draconis)- Atomic Gamer (http://www.atomicgamer.com/files/82726/divinity-2-ego-draconis-demo)
- Extreme Players (http://www.exp.de/download.php?id=17945)

Divinity II: Ego Draconis will be released on January 5 for the 360 and PC.

[Talanvor]

Awesome, will grab that on the 360 just to see how they managed the controls.

[ElektroDragon]

I was a huge fan of Divine Divinity, but didn't care much for Beyond Divinity... In any event, I had already pre-ordered Divnity II from Gamestop for the special bonus items, so I was a bit nervous about trying this demo and finding it to be bad, because canceling Gamestop online preorders is a ridiculous pain in the rear, you have to show up in PERSON! :eek:

Fortunately, my fears were unfounded. Though I have yet to see if the dragon morphing is a gimmick like the one they used in Beyond Divinty, I can already say that this game will be worth your time if you like European-style western RPGs. For one thing, graphics and animation, while not state of the art, are absolutely silky smooth even when attacking. This is a far cry from the frame rate issues of other such RPGs like Two Worlds and Sacred 2. (talking about the 360 versions here)

They kept in one of my favorite bits from the first game: You can chase down and kill little hopping rabbits or chickens for 1 XP each! You kick them to death in one blow. The sound effect for chickens is hilarious, and they can drop edible chicken legs! Nothing like cooking a chicken by kicking it! You can also break barrels and crates for loot.

The dialog and voice acting is hit or miss, but the atmosphere, music, lighting and sound effects help put you in the world very well. The interface seems decently laid out, not slick by any means, but NOT ANNOYING, which is a big problem in some other games like this.

Otherwise, everything so far seems pretty standard. Nothing really outstanding yet, but nothing dreadful either. I'm keeping my pre-order.

[menage]

A demo? Awesome, I was interested but needed some actual view of the thing.

[Purple Santa]

I'm afraid to play this demo. If I like it then it's another January release I want to play. I already have Bayonetta and Darkriders awaiting my time. Of course I could add it to the growing '10 backlog.

[LongStepMantis]

I was a huge fan of Divine Divinity, but didn't care much for Beyond Divinity... In any event, I had already pre-ordered Divnity II from Gamestop for the special bonus items, so I was a bit nervous about trying this demo and finding it to be bad, because canceling Gamestop online preorders is a ridiculous pain in the rear, you have to show up in PERSON! :eek:

Fortunately, my fears were unfounded. Though I have yet to see if the dragon morphing is a gimmick like the one they used in Beyond Divinty, I can already say that this game will be worth your time if you like European-style western RPGs. For one thing, graphics and animation, while not state of the art, are absolutely silky smooth even when attacking. This is a far cry from the frame rate issues of other such RPGs like Two Worlds and Sacred 2. (talking about the 360 versions here)

They kept in one of my favorite bits from the first game: You can chase down and kill little hopping rabbits or chickens for 1 XP each! You kick them to death in one blow. The sound effect for chickens is hilarious, and they can drop edible chicken legs! Nothing like cooking a chicken by kicking it! You can also break barrels and crates for loot.

The dialog and voice acting is hit or miss, but the atmosphere, music, lighting and sound effects help put you in the world very well. The interface seems decently laid out, not slick by any means, but NOT ANNOYING, which is a big problem in some other games like this.

Otherwise, everything so far seems pretty standard. Nothing really outstanding yet, but nothing dreadful either. I'm keeping my pre-order.

The mental image you just painted, for me, reminds me a ton of the Gothic series. Would you call them comparable? I've only seen a couple vids and have been trying to keep myself in the dark until I get a chance to play it. If it was at all like the Gothic games then I could rest easy in the knowledge that I'll love this game.

[Gorvi]

I need to give this a shot, I've been wanting to see more PC style RPGs show up on consoles. Next week....

And there is a new Gothic game coming, Arcania (http://www.arcania-game.com/), I've been keeping an eye on it, it's PS3/360/PC, I think the PC version is due well before the console games, though.

[Chris_D]

Wow, sounds like I have to check this out. No time right now though.

[Grifter]

I don't know what electro is smoking but this feels just like every other unpolished European RPG we've played the last couple of years. The music is good if not slightly generic the textures are detailed but low res so you get that awful shimmering effect, the animations may be smooth but they look awful, the combat feels like a last minute addition, the voice acting is average at it's best moments and all the character models look a bit... off.

If you like the Gothic games and Two Worlds and the resent Risen you will probably like this as well. It does everything they do just a small amount better. If you can only get one Euro RPG this year or you've finished the rest and are still hungry for more Divinity is the one to get but if you never really got into the others or stopped playing do to boredom (or any other game based reason) Divinity will not change those feelings.

Also the PC version looks and plays much better than the 360 version so if you have a choice stick with the PC.

[menage]

I don't know what electro is smoking but this feels just like every other unpolished European RPG we've played the last couple of years. The music is good if not slightly generic the textures are detailed but low res so you get that awful shimmering effect, the animations may be smooth but they look awful, the combat feels like a last minute addition, the voice acting is average at it's best moments and all the character models look a bit... off.


Wow, sounds like Dragon Age

runs

[Kelegacy]

I need to try this out. I loved Divine Divinity (not Beyond much) but this has me intrigued and has since I heard it was coming to 360.

If it's half as good as Dragon Age, I'm sold. Fuck, these games should have came out 3 years ago when I was single. WTF.

[ElektroDragon]

I don't know what electro is smoking but this feels just like every other unpolished European RPG we've played the last couple of years.

I take it you did not play or enjoy Divine Divinity. That game had a large fan base, it was the epitome of the classic isometric action RPG, and it was BETTER than Diablo, honestly. In fact, it was the best of ALL the European RPGs to come out this decade. This studio may not have a huge budget, but they are very experienced. DD came out in 2002.

I cannot comment on Gothic, since it is the only western RPG series I haven't had much experience with, but Gothic is first person, whereas this is third person.

The graphics are fine... they are far more likeable than the graphics in Two Worlds or Sacred 2, and the dialog far less inane. The trees look a HELL of a lot better than trees in Dragon Age. It is also way more polished than the turd that is Risen. I swear, I don't know why everyone expects Fable II graphics from every RPG nowadays. Even Fable II has some aliasing. I guarantee this game has deeper gameplay than Fable II, which aside from an interesting economic system, is as RPG-Lite as they get.

[Kelegacy]

The graphics are fine... they are far more likeable than the graphics in Two Worlds or Sacred 2, and the dialog far less inane. The trees look a HELL of a lot better than trees in Dragon Age. It is also way more polished than the turd that is Risen. I swear, I don't know why everyone expects Fable II graphics from every RPG nowadays. Even Fable II has some aliasing. I guarantee this game has deeper gameplay than Fable II, which aside from an interesting economic system, is as RPG-Lite as they get.

I thought Fable 2 was god-ugly. I thought I had a bad disc so I tried 3 different copies and 2 different tvs and 2 different 360s. I thought it was a fuzzy, unpolished mess. When I saw the fire animation (campfires, braziers, house fires), I swore I was playing a beta version.

Besides, Fable 2 is a claustrophobic game. No huge open game worlds, small maps, etc. Bigger games are usually a bit ugly because of the size and content--like Mass Effect (another "tight" RPG) vs. Dragon Age. And depth? Well I HOPE D2 is deeper than Fable 2. Good lord. Any RPG is deeper than that to me.

So if I was a mega fan of DD, I'll like D2? I can't download the demo now and won't get a chance to until later this week.

[Grifter]

This feels nothing like DD1 to me. Like I said it does things better than the rest of the Euro RPGs but it's still in the same ballpark. From a gameplay perspective this and Dragon Age are two very different beasts but if you are going to compare them other than maybe texture depth Dragon Age is a significantly better RPG than this in every way. Writing, story, models, animation, combat there is no comparison. If you disliked the writing or dialog in Dragons Age enough to stop playing it stay far away from this game.

Again Dragons Age and Divinity two will not scratch the same RPG itch so your opinion of one probably wont weigh much on your opinion of the other for good or bad.

[Karak]

I'm afraid to play this demo. If I like it then it's another January release I want to play. I already have Bayonetta and Darkriders awaiting my time. Of course I could add it to the growing '10 backlog.

Bayonetta.
I played it and beat it.
I have no idea what it was about hahahaha. Fucking weird ass game. Fun if boring after awhile. Graphics were over the top..character was over the top, mini arcade game was over the top...fun was not.

Tell us what you think after you played it.

Oh and chalk another person against this game. I am not a fan. Sadly I adored DD1. This has none of the love that game had. Risen+Gotchic-fun so far.

[JayK47]

Well it looks better than Dragon Age, and it even has more than a few dragons. Count me in. The question is, which system to get it for? I am glad they have demos for both systems. It will help me decide.

[LongStepMantis]

I cannot comment on Gothic, since it is the only western RPG series I haven't had much experience with, but Gothic is first person, whereas this is third person.

Was Gothic 1 or 3 in first person? Because I only played 2, a ton, and it was 3rd person all the way. It reminded me a lot of the game Fable should have been, but with far less polish. It made up for it by having a fuckton of sidequests and areas, and generally just let you wander about and do your own thing. It was pretty ugly, but made up for it by being awesome in the gameplay department. Tough as balls too. For the first several hours of the game nearly every enemy would rape you, twice, for looking at them wrong.

I never went back to play 1, and kind of forgot 3 even existed. I'd heard 2 was the best of the bunch so I left it at that.

[Narradisall]

I'll give it a whirl since I liked DD (not beyond much).

I'm going to get round to a list of games I want to play in my time off which I will have to take at some point. Looks like I won't be bored this summer for games.

[Kelegacy]

I repurchased DD not long ago because I wanted to replay it and can't find my copy. If this is nothing like the first game, I'll be sorely disappointed. Still...I'm going to give it a shot and wait for reviews. It releases the first week of January or close enough...right? I'd rather grab this than ME2 anyway, if it turns out to be halfway decent that is.

[BigJonno]

Hearing about DD makes me laugh. When will small RPG developers learn to make sure that the openings of their games aren't steaming piles of shite? I've heard so many good things about the game, but all I can remember of it was playing for about twenty minutes and stopping because of how godawful it was.

[Kelegacy]

Hearing about DD makes me laugh. When will small RPG developers learn to make sure that the openings of their games aren't steaming piles of shite? I've heard so many good things about the game, but all I can remember of it was playing for about twenty minutes and stopping because of how godawful it was.

The first dungeon, the one under the starting town, was a Diablo rip-off. Terrible (too action-heavy) and I too put it aside the first time I played. A year later I tackled it again after hearing it got better after that first dungeoin and I'm so glad I did. One of the best CRPGs released this decade, as was mentioned earlier.

It went from a Diablo-type mindless game to Ultima. It rocked so hard.

[BigJonno]

Hehe, that means nothing to me whatsoever. Ultima was before my PC gaming time (I was 15 before we could afford a PC) and despite my love of Ultima Online, I've never gotten into any of the previous titles.

[Kelegacy]

Hehe, that means nothing to me whatsoever. Ultima was before my PC gaming time (I was 15 before we could afford a PC) and despite my love of Ultima Online, I've never gotten into any of the previous titles.

Ultima VII, to me, is still one of the best games, and RPGs, ever made. It incorporated the ability to manipulate and take anything not tied down in the game world. It was very open, and exploration heavy. Huge game world, and a great story.

It's hard for me to describe it, but U7: The Black Gate (the first part of the Ultima VII saga) holds up extremely well even today. I think it's because the game was so far ahead of its time. Even games today seem like a huge step back in comparison.

Give it a whirl sometime. It's my all-time favorite game. That's why I liked Divinity so much...it wasn't like Diablo (which is a game formula I dislike for the most part) and was much more like Ultima. Even for a while it was called the spiritual sequel to the Ultima series. Gothic was also called a spiritual sequel to Ultima. So if you've played Gothic, you can get a grasp of what I'm talking about.

[LongStepMantis]

The single best piece of advice I can give regarding the original DD:

Play at least until you leave the starting town. It seems boring as fuck while you're trapped there, but the entire map is open to you once you get out and the game really shines from that point on. Be prepared to die a lot at first though. The game doesn't hold back on the enemies just because you're a low level. Your ass will get ended frequently, often by monsters far above your level who will OHK you. Save often.

[Kelegacy]

Just read the Eurogamer review and while they gave it a 6/10, the written material seemed to state otherwise. They really made me want the game. The exploration sounds massive, which I love in videogaming. They gave it some great props, and tried to knock the game down the last third of the review. Didn't deter me. Besides, I think Eurogamer underscores games, like they and Edge did to Dragon Age.

I probably won't buy it right away, but I look forward to trying it out.

[ElektroDragon]

I repurchased DD not long ago because I wanted to replay it and can't find my copy. If this is nothing like the first game, I'll be sorely disappointed.

Well, look, obviously its nothing like the first game graphically, because it took the step from fancy isometric 2D painted art with a tiny bit of 3D, to full blown 3D, follow the character cam. But I feel it retained some of the art style. It's the same developer working on it, and many of the people are the same. It's set in the same world, in the future. Therefore, it is the closest thing you will ever get to DD1.

Those of you who are writing this off I think are either spoiled from too many AAA titles or haven't looked at it deeply enough. The mind reading ability is pretty innovative and it's a lot of fun to read someone's mind and then say the rights things to get merchant discounts. :)

I will say it again, the trees in this game are so much better than Dragon Age that it makes DA feel like Pong. The environments are also more vivid and colorful.

Also, even though it doesn't have thousands of pages of stuff to read like the DA codex, its implemented better. When you read stuff, it looks like a BOOK with well animated pages you can flip. It's much nicer in that regard.

Yes, of course DA is the better game. But if you want a nice single player action RPG, you'd be hard pressed to find better on the 360 I think... maybe KuF:CoD, but that's not exactly a western RPG. And Fable 2 is more an adventure game. I think this game will outshine Sacred 2 and Two Worlds, but not Two Worlds II. The demo clearly lacks a little polish, and has a very disjointed intro... things I hope the final game will remedy. I am really hoping the demo is an edited start to the game, actually, because the demo cutscenes don't make any sense, and there is no exposition.

The polish is lacking in the following areas:

1) I can stand in a fire and not get hurt.

2) I can jump off a tower and not get hurt.

3) There is no "mannequin" onto which I can put my gear in the inventory, but once I do put gear on its shown on my in-game character.

4) Intro cutscenes make no sense and there is no background given to the story. This is the main thing I hope the actual game will address.

5) I can kill rabbits and chickens, but not pigs?!

[LongStepMantis]

5) I can kill rabbits and chickens, but not pigs?!

I might have an idea why that is...sort of. There's either a running joke about killing pigs amongst the developers, or it's a reference to DD, maybe both. In the starting village of DD, Otho the dwarf keeps two pigs. If you kill one of them, he comes out and threatens you. If you kill the other, he kills you. I believe the game actually instructs you to kill them, saying something like "Make sure to kill Otho's pigs. He loves it!"

[JayK47]

The PC version definitely looks much better than the 360 version. I was surprised how much graphics were turned down on the 360 version. Usually they are pretty close. It could use more polish, but I don't think we will get it between the demo and the release. I will no doubt pick this up sooner than later. In fact, I may pick this up and skip Risen.

[J Arcane]

Hehe, that means nothing to me whatsoever. Ultima was before my PC gaming time (I was 15 before we could afford a PC) and despite my love of Ultima Online, I've never gotten into any of the previous titles.
Ultima 6 are pretty much the kickass sandbox RPG everyone else since then wishes they could be. 7 started railroading it more and introduced awkward real-time combat to RPGs, and then by 8 it wasn't even a real RPG anymore, but some kind of puzzle platformer thing. 9 was just a mess.

[Kelegacy]

Ultima 6 are pretty much the kickass sandbox RPG everyone else since then wishes they could be. 7 started railroading it more and introduced awkward real-time combat to RPGs, and then by 8 it wasn't even a real RPG anymore, but some kind of puzzle platformer thing. 9 was just a mess.

You can't be my nemesis since you like Ultima, but I know you always point at 7 as being a linear game. I can't fathom that, as the world is pretty much open to you from the onset. I have barely touched 6, never got to play much of it as U7 was my first introduction into the series. But I think U7 is pretty much the perfect game. Maybe it's like gamers now that think Bioware's first game was KotOR and they hate Dragon Age because it's not like Mass Effect--I didn't get to play U6 first so I don't know what I am missing.

[menage]

I tried this as well yesterday. And while it's certainly no high end game it still looked pretty decent for a game like this. Conversations we're pretty dull but over quickly and the vibe I got from the world was pretty colorful and nice.

I knew I should have bought this over DA, it's nothing new but at least it's something more to my liking.

[Kelegacy]

I played the demo last night and there is something definitely "off". For one, this doesn't feel anything like Divine Divinity. 2, combat seems pretty trite. C, graphics are a bit lackluster on 360. IV, it is suffering when compared to Dragon Age in almost every respect.

This is definitely a step-up from Two Worlds, but I won't be buying it at launch. As soon as I started to move, I had this feeling in my stomach that this wasn't what I was hoping for.

However, it should prove fun in terms of exploration--the game world seems nicely designed. And I can live with the combat if everything else holds up.

Anyone try the jump button? It's like you're Mario--you can get some serious air.

[Grifter]

Too bad you can't play it on the PC, it definitely looks a lot cleaner.

What I hate most about these games is they have quite a bit of potential, especially this one, but it's like someone lobotomized the dev team just before the end of development and they were unable to finish or clean up anything they had started.

On a final note:
They really need to fire the dipshit who comes up with these ridiculous and very retarded combat animations. It's like these guys and the guys who worked on Two Worlds have never seen a sword before much yet any one pick one up and use it. It's embarrassing... thankfully I play alone.

[Grifter]

The more I play this game (PC version) the better it gets. All the flaws are still there but I find myself not caring or not noticing. There are times I wish they had "fixed this" or "touched up that" bit it actually feels like a solid hack & slash RPG with some good loot. I think the general story is pretty good so far it's just a shame the talent wasn't there to better implement it (like with everything else in this game).

I wouldn't bump any games off your "I really need/want to play this game" list but if you're down to the "I guess I'll give this game a shot" are of your list and you like hack&slash western RPGs I would put this at the top.

Also, I'm not 100% positive on this yet but I believe the character animations change for certain actions the better you get at them... don't know if they will be better but they will be different.

[MagGnome]

The mental image you just painted, for me, reminds me a ton of the Gothic series. Would you call them comparable? I've only seen a couple vids and have been trying to keep myself in the dark until I get a chance to play it. If it was at all like the Gothic games then I could rest easy in the knowledge that I'll love this game.

Divinity 2 seems a lot closer to the Gothic games than the original Divine Divinity, which had more in common with the Ultima series. Of course a lot of this has to do with Divinity 2's graphical style and the fact that it's third person in fully 3D world rather than being isometric like Divine Divinity was.

I'm hoping that this game turns out well, as I absolutely loved the first one. I'll definitely be checking out the demo as soon as my new PC is up and running. Like Grifter was saying, I wish that these European RPGs would see more polish before release. Several of them show signs of greatness, but it is often buried until clunky interfaces, poor controls, or awkward animations and dialogue. I loved Gothic 2, but it definitely had some issues. Thankfully they weren't severe enough to detract much from my enjoyment of the game, but it would have been a lot better with just a little more time in the oven and a little more polish. Even a game like Eschalon: Book 1, which is not a AAA graphics powerhouse by any means, is still highly polished and thus that much more enjoyable.


I cannot comment on Gothic, since it is the only western RPG series I haven't had much experience with, but Gothic is first person, whereas this is third person.

The Gothic series is third person, not first.


It's hard for me to describe it, but U7: The Black Gate (the first part of the Ultima VII saga) holds up extremely well even today. I think it's because the game was so far ahead of its time. Even games today seem like a huge step back in comparison.

I really wish that the Ultima series would show up on Good Old Games. Unfortunately EA has decided to let their massive, amazing back catalog rot deep inside the vault. It seems like we will never again be able to enjoy classics like the Ultima games, Dungeon Keeper, Magic Carpet, Wing Commander, System Shock, etc. without illegally downloading them or digging up old discs that may or may not work.

[JayK47]

So has anybody picked up the retail version?

[MagGnome]

I think Grifter has it.

[Gorvi]

Ok, I tried the demo this morning. The graphics are ugly, the art is generic, the frame rate is terrible, the character animation is laughable, and overall the game just feels sloppy. All that said, I liked it. Maybe it's just that we don't get these by the numbers fantasy games on consoles all that often, but something about it just struck me in a positive way. It's cheesy as hell, but I like it despite that.

I couldn't possibly see picking this up for full price, but I'll buy it the moment I see it hit $15-20.

EDIT: The game also feels like it should be played with a mouse, just with the way the cursor works.

[MagGnome]

It sounds like this game has a lot in common with Gothic 2. Lots of problems, but a great game in spite of the issues.

I enjoyed Gothic 2 more than Morrowind or Oblivion, so I'm looking forward to play Divinity 2.

[LeRolls]

I can't see myself getting too excited about this particular title but it's nice to see more and more RPGs coming out.

[Narradisall]

I tried it and was not massively impressed.

That was on the 360 though and it just didn't feel right.

I'm going to give it a whirl on my PC and see how it is.

[Grifter]

I tried it and was not massively impressed.

That was on the 360 though and it just didn't feel right.

I'm going to give it a whirl on my PC and see how it is.

The beginning of the game doesn't feel right, the demo is going to turn off a lot of people unfortunately. This game easily Trumps all the other Euro RPGs by a large margin. I've been playing it quite a bit for the last few weeks and this game is HUGE! You can spend hours just wandering around finding random caves full of loot or doing side quests and still feel like your moving the game forward, the pacing really is good. The PC version definitely looks cleaner than the console version but I think both versions will be just as fun when you get out of the starting area.

I really am having a lot of fun with this game.

[Purple Santa]

It sounds like this game has a lot in common with Gothic 2. Lots of problems, but a great game in spite of the issues.

I enjoyed Gothic 2 more than Morrowind or Oblivion, so I'm looking forward to play Divinity 2.

You are on a budget now PC Gnome. No buying for you until it's on Steam's Xmas sale...in December ;)

[MagGnome]

You are on a budget now PC Gnome. No buying for you until it's on Steam's Xmas sale...in December ;)

I'm definitely not buying anything full priced any time soon, and probably nothing that's on sale either. Don't worry. :p


Grifter - Does this game have the same quirky sense of humor that Divine Divinity had? One of the things I loved about that game was the sense of humor that it had.

[Narradisall]

The beginning of the game doesn't feel right, the demo is going to turn off a lot of people unfortunately.

Yeah, the demo by the sounds of it really doesn't do the game justice.

PC reviews have been sounding better, so I think I will pick it up on that.

[Grifter]

I'm definitely not buying anything full priced any time soon, and probably nothing that's on sale either. Don't worry. :p


Grifter - Does this game have the same quirky sense of humor that Divine Divinity had? One of the things I loved about that game was the sense of humor that it had.

It definitely has that humor and it adds quite a bit to the game, it also has quite a few little pop culture references which are quite amusing given the setting. The descriptions of your attributes based on level are classic.

I feel I may be talking this game up too much which only leads to disappointment and I don't want that, it still has plenty of issues but I'm really enjoying my playtime in the world these guys have created.

[MagGnome]

It definitely has that humor and it adds quite a bit to the game, it also has quite a few little pop culture references which are quite amusing given the setting. The descriptions of your attributes based on level are classic.

I feel I may be talking this game up too much which only leads to disappointment and I don't want that, it still has plenty of issues but I'm really enjoying my playtime in the world these guys have created.

I'm going to have to pick it up at some point then. I loved the humor in the first game. Even if it does have some issues, I'll most likely enjoy it.

[JayK47]

Sounds good to me. Big thing was the demo worked on my PC. So hopefully the retail doesn't have some crash inducing DRM. I wold be happy to pick it up at around $30. So is this better than Risen?

[JayK47]

Read a review and it does sound like a great game. Looking at screenshots, I was actually quite excited about this game. Thanks to Steam, I am overloaded with cheap games right now and there is no point in picking this up right away. I also know to wait a little while for patches. Funny how a game like this seems to almost slip under the radar, yet it could easily be better than Dragon Age. It definitely sounds like it has more content than Dragon Age, and for much less considering there is no day one DLC. Hopefully since it is available on 360, it will get some decent exposure and sales.