Fable II Thread

[EternalGamer]

Does this game have motion blurring for anyone else? Yeah, I'm playing on an LCD HDTV so there will be SOME blurring perhaps, but this is the first time I've noticed it this much. Other games don't seem to have it. At first I thought it would be an option I could turn off in the Options menu, like the trails in GTA games, but it wasn't.

I also don't think the sound is the greatest. It's weird sometimes. I'm still very early in the game, just wondering about stuff. I don't think the game is as beautiful as it's been made out to be, though it doesn't look terrible; it looks like an upgraded Fable basically. It did have me messing with my cables to make sure everything was plugged in right, with that weird motion blurring. I guess it could be my tv, but this is the first time I've noticed it.

EDIT: A quick Google shows I'm not crazy. At least not completely. Guess it's noticeable by some others. They call it a "blurry camera".

The game definitely has a "soft glow" about it, but that is entirely intentional. I believe the first game had that as well. I kind of like it as it gives it a unique look.

[Spigot]

The game definitely has a "soft glow" about it, but that is entirely intentional. I believe the first game had that as well. I kind of like it as it gives it a unique look.I am getting that too. It's fine, but there are moments where the intentional blurriness is almost too much, though it's usually only noticable when I first start the game up and then I get acclimated to it.

The sound, on the other hand, just seems wonky. I noticed that there is some very faint music during the title screen (before you press A) and none at all during the little movie, but I've made my peace with the game now. I'd say it is just my crappy surround system except that the sound, even over my crappy system, is exquisite in Dead Space, so I'm thinking the fault is more one of Fable 2's than my own.

I'd like to say I've done much more but I've barely had a chance to touch the game in the last few days. I was planning on sinking some quality time into it tonight but I just got my copy of LBP, so I guess there goes my Fable 2 time for tonight.

[Talon]

The combat in this game is absolutely fantastic. This is how Action RPGs should play on consoles, and there absolutely needs to be a MMO that uses this kind of combat.

I'm liking the game a lot so far, but I haven't fallen immediately head over heels into it like I did for, say, Mass Effect or Bioshock. I'm at least 5-6 hours in, though, and I'm really enjoying it.

One of the couple downsides is the terrible menu system. What the hell is it with this generation and slow/badly designed menus? Besides that, I don't think I'm in a position to address the problems until I beat the game. Right now the relationship things seem pretty empty and largely unnecessary. I say that because it feels like the Sims. I feel more affection from the dog, but I would guess that's because I'm not expecting nuanced emotion from an animal.

At any rate, I'm enjoying the game so far, and it's a good start to the torrent of games coming up (Fallout 3, GoW2, Mirror's Edge, Prince of Persia, etc.)

[Disgustipated]

The game definitely has a "soft glow" about it, but that is entirely intentional. I believe the first game had that as well. I kind of like it as it gives it a unique look.

Absolutely agreed. It makes the game seem ethereal and gives it that fantasy feel. Love it.

[Widgetcraft]

Wooh... post-end spoilers:

I found a way to reverse my aging :p

[Disgustipated]

Wooh... post-end spoilers:

I found a way to reverse my aging :p

Oh nice. Care to PM me with instructions (spoiler-free)?

[Variable Gear]

One of the couple downsides is the terrible menu system. What the hell is it with this generation and slow/badly designed menus? Besides that, I don't think I'm in a position to address the problems until I beat the game. Right now the relationship things seem pretty empty and largely unnecessary. I say that because it feels like the Sims. I feel more affection from the dog, but I would guess that's because I'm not expecting nuanced emotion from an animal.
I don't know what's up with menu systems in this generation either. It's like everyone forgot how important a quick and easy-to-use menu system is. I also agree about the expression/relationship system. It just feels completely artificial to me. The numbers floating above NPCs heads, the complete disconnect between what my character does and the response I get...it's just odd. The dog, however, is a joy. I always praise him whenever he finds a hidden treasure or notifies me of a buried item, and if I have any treats handy I'll give him one of those as well. I wish other action-adventure series, such as Zelda, would implement a similarly-designed helping hand for the player. The dog is just badass. :)

[Widgetcraft]

Oh nice. Care to PM me with instructions (spoiler-free)?

Well, I can't instruct you without at least some sidequest spoilers :p

After the end of the game, you can buy Garth's tower in Brightwood. After buying it, go up to the very top floor, up the ladder, and sleep in the bed. Things will happen, I won't go into what. When you wake up, you'll be without scars or wrinkles. Save and quit. Now go back into the game, and you should remain young.

[Squidbot]

When I played this at work I played fairly randomly, with no real good/evil. I just randomly made decisions. I now have two play throughs going on, one being a pure evil Will user, the other a shiney good guy with a massive mace. The cut scenes still make my jaw drop, especially the opening sequence with the sparrow.

On the subject of gargoyles, I have found 12, I know where there is a thirteenth, but I can't shoot the bugger!
He's in the caves that lead to the old tomb/guild hall where Theresa is. I can see him, aim ay him and shoot but he won't die :(

[evilgoodwin]

Do you have a clear shot? Move to a different place and try again. I've heard of some folks who can't kill that one, so maybe it's just a fluke.

[Squidbot]

Tried all around the cave, it's really annoying.

[National Kato]

The Conjurer, Chapter 1

So last night found my Hero at a crossroads. Known only as Conjurer to the citizens of Albion, the strangely marked man had been doing his part to stem the bandit and hobbe influx over the past few weeks. Married to a gypsy from a quaint village, he had at last fathered a baby boy and decided to work hard to afford a nice house in Bowerstone.

After toiling at the forge, at the chopping block, and in dank and dark corners of the world, Conjurer bought a nice, small house off of the beaten path within the city proper. Excited to share the great news with his family and to spend long-overdue time with his son, the Hero ran back to the gypsy village as fast as he could...

...only to find his wife Lisa was divorcing him. His son sent off to an orphanage before he'd even had a chance to really know him. Apparently, the idea that progress and comfort takes hard work - sacrifice from both parents - was a concept unknown to her. Our Hero had sent more than enough money home each day, had slaved for hours at mundane tasks, had risked his own life countless times to gather treasure and reknown. All so that he might move his family to a better place in this hardscrabble world.

Divorced. The gypsies hid their mild amusement behind offers of condolence. The Conjurer wasn't fooled. They silently mocked his hard work and desires for prosperity. They whispered false rumors in Lisa's ear over the weeks he was gone, leading her to think he was off gallavanting with maidens and eating in banquet halls.

Our Hero looked over the village he had grown up in with disgust. A village of friends and family no more. A village he despised.

The Conjurer may have spent his first years helping those who could not appreciate his efforts...but no longer. No, something had bent to breaking within this Hero. Something bitter had taken root deep within. Something had changed. The world of Albion would never be the same.

[diablopath]

The Conjurer, Chapter 1

So last night found my Hero at a crossroads. Known only as Conjurer to the citizens of Albion, the strangely marked man had been doing his part to stem the bandit and hobbe influx over the past few weeks. Married to a gypsy from a quaint village, he had at last fathered a baby boy and decided to work hard to afford a nice house in Bowerstone.

After toiling at the forge, at the chopping block, and in dank and dark corners of the world, Conjurer bought a nice, small house off of the beaten path within the city proper. Excited to share the great news with his family and to spend long-overdue time with his son, the Hero ran back to the gypsy village as fast as he could...

...only to find his wife Lisa was divorcing him. His son sent off to an orphanage before he'd even had a chance to really know him. Apparently, the idea that progress and comfort takes hard work - sacrifice from both parents - was a concept unknown to her. Our Hero had sent more than enough money home each day, had slaved for hours at mundane tasks, had risked his own life countless times to gather treasure and reknown. All so that he might move his family to a better place in this hardscrabble world.

Divorced. The gypsies hid their mild amusement behind offers of condolence. The Conjurer wasn't fooled. They silently mocked his hard work and desires for prosperity. They whispered false rumors in Lisa's ear over the weeks he was gone, leading her to think he was off gallavanting with maidens and eating in banquet halls.

Our Hero looked over the village he had grown up in with disgust. A village of friends and family no more. A village he despised.

The Conjurer may have spent his first years helping those who could not appreciate his efforts...but no longer. No, something had bent to breaking within this Hero. Something bitter had taken root deep within. Something had changed. The world of Albion would never be the same.

Wow.

Delete save file, new game?

[Disgustipated]

Wow.

Delete save file, new game?

More like

"So cut my wrists and black my eyes
(cut my wrists and black my eyes)
So i can fall asleep tonight or die
Because you killed me

You know you do you kill me well
You like it too and i can tell
You never stop until my final breath is gone."

:p

[Sandman]

Wow. I just got an assassination quest to kill John the Stall Vendor. I figure I'll take him to the temple of shadows to let the wheel do my work for me. The wheel just gave him a sex change and I still wound up having to deal the blow.....sigh.

[Spigot]

Great story Kato.

That's when I'd go into the center of the village, strike a heroic pose or two until everyone was gathered round and then unleash a high-level blade spell and slaughter the lot of them.

Or poison their water supply.

[Sazime]

Wow. I just got an assassination quest to kill John the Stall Vendor. I figure I'll take him to the temple of shadows to let the wheel do my work for me. The wheel just gave him a sex change and I still wound up having to deal the blow.....sigh.
See? It's things like this that make me realize I need to play this game again and be completely evil.

[National Kato]

That's when I'd go into the center of the village, strike a heroic pose or two until everyone was gathered round and then unleash a high-level blade spell and slaughter the lot of them.

You've got the idea. I most definitely am not going to reload. I'll just focus this pain...elsewhere. :D

[diablopath]

When can I start assassinating people?
I am so hard for sneaky murder.

[Squidbot]

See? It's things like this that make me realize I need to play this game again and be completely evil.

I am actually playing two characters. I have a slim, foxy, evil as sin will user and a fat, bearded muscle bound guy who has no spells at all.

[Wolvie]

Kato I can sympathize with this. The women in this game are fickle indeed. I married Alex(the woman that you meet in the quest a ghost sends you on), and she's ALWAYS unhappy with me.
Despite the fact that I send money home every day, have bought her a house in Bowerstone, furnished it with high quality furniture. Visit with her everyday, and even bring her flowers and other gifts. EVERY day! And she STILL gets pissy when I'm away for more then half the day.

To put this in perspective, I treat this woman better then my real wife, spend MORE time with this woman in a game day then I get to with my real wife in a real work day, and my real wife is happy and sticks with me. My virtual wife however whines about where I've been, and how unhappy she is, despite the fact that I treat this virtual wife like gold.

Fuck this bitch, I've had enough, I'm tired of being treated like shit for trying to be good to her. Tonight I'm gonna go have an affair with every attractive strange woman I meet. I will cut her funding and get drunk and eat fine food off her severed allowance. Then she's getting lured to the temple of shadows, and I'm sacrificing her ungrateful ass. Then I'm living a happy adventurers life filled with grand quests, hot women, tons of gold, food, and fun. A happy ending indeed.

[Squidbot]

Pffft, I married a hooker and she's always happy.

[Wolvie]

Pffft, I married a hooker and she's always happy.

That might be the way to do it. Marry a slut that has low expectations, and your good to go. :D

[Kelegacy]

The game definitely has a "soft glow" about it, but that is entirely intentional. I believe the first game had that as well. I kind of like it as it gives it a unique look.

No, it's something else entirely. It's like my television has Noise Reduction cranked to the max, when it isn't. I though maybe my tv was shitting to bed, so I popped in another game. It looks crisp and great as usual. It's almost like I'm playing a blurry, non-HD game at times...almost like vaseline is smeared across the screen . Perhaps I need to sit further from the set or something. Or perhaps I got a wonky disc? I doubt that's possible.

Looking at online videos, pictures and reviews, the game should be gorgeous. Instead I think this is the ugliest 360 game I've played in a while. Not ugly, just not very much different than plopping Fable 1 into my 360 and playing via BC.

Very weird. I'm guessing it's just me since I don't see many others complaining about it.

[Wolvie]

No, it's something else entirely. It's like my television has Noise Reduction cranked to the max, when it isn't. I though maybe my tv was shitting to bed, so I popped in another game. It looks crisp and great as usual. It's almost like I'm playing a blurry, non-HD game at times...almost like vaseline is smeared across the screen . Perhaps I need to sit further from the set or something. Or perhaps I got a wonky disc? I doubt that's possible.

Looking at online videos, pictures and reviews, the game should be gorgeous. Instead I think this is the ugliest 360 game I've played in a while. Not ugly, just not very much different than plopping Fable 1 into my 360 and playing via BC.

Very weird. I'm guessing it's just me since I don't see many others complaining about it.

To be honest I didn't think the graphics in Fable II were a huge leap ahead of the first Fable. In fact it was the reason why the beginning of the game felt underwhelming to me.
But then I started digging in, and found all the cool tweaks and refinements that went into the game, and realized how great it is and forgot about the average graphics.

Great game, just not great looking.

[Spigot]

No, it's something else entirely. It's like my television has Noise Reduction cranked to the max, when it isn't. I though maybe my tv was shitting to bed, so I popped in another game. It looks crisp and great as usual. It's almost like I'm playing a blurry, non-HD game at times...almost like vaseline is smeared across the screen . Perhaps I need to sit further from the set or something. Or perhaps I got a wonky disc? I doubt that's possible.Again, I've noticed this too. That said, I'm also trying to play it late at night and incredibly tired, so I'm not sure if it's me or the game.

I have noticed that after I sink a bit of time into a game session, I either don't notice it or it goes away, but the first part of the game seemed very blurry in that regard.

[Stoke]

Finished the main quest last night with my male, good, and physical character. Started my female, evil, will character this morning. Upon entering Bowerstone, Debbie the Housewife called me ugly and kicked my dog. Obviously this wasn't going to fly so she's now hanging on a spike in the Temple of Shadows. Her husband thinks my dog is awesome.

Has anyone else had any problems getting their female hero pregnant? After killing my bisexual gypsy wife to make way for a rich guy from Fairfax, I've had sex more than 10 times. On my male character it seems I have another kid if I'm not wearing at least 3 condoms yet this broad is nigh impregnable.

[astranoir]

Has anyone else had any problems getting their female hero pregnant? After killing my bisexual gypsy wife to make way for a rich guy from Fairfax, I've had sex more than 10 times. On my male character it seems I have another kid if I'm not wearing at least 3 condoms yet this broad is nigh impregnable.

I am not sure how you get pregnant when you're female, my first (lesbian shopkeeper) wife somehow got pregnant the third time we had sex, but my second (bisexual prostitute) wife and I haven't had any kids.

[EternalGamer]

No, it's something else entirely. It's like my television has Noise Reduction cranked to the max, when it isn't. I though maybe my tv was shitting to bed, so I popped in another game. It looks crisp and great as usual. It's almost like I'm playing a blurry, non-HD game at times...almost like vaseline is smeared across the screen . Perhaps I need to sit further from the set or something. Or perhaps I got a wonky disc? I doubt that's possible.

Looking at online videos, pictures and reviews, the game should be gorgeous. Instead I think this is the ugliest 360 game I've played in a while. Not ugly, just not very much different than plopping Fable 1 into my 360 and playing via BC.

Very weird. I'm guessing it's just me since I don't see many others complaining about it.

Did you adjust the Gamma in the game settings? I had to turn it up a bit, but I don't know, I don't think it looks bad at all. Tonight I was playing on my computer monitor in the office in the back room rather than my big HDTV, and I thought it looked even better.

[mister slim]

Pffft, I married a hooker and she's always happy.

Heh, I married a sad goth girl I found in the huge graveyard, and she's always happy. Even living in a gypsy caravan. Women are crazy. :p

[inmostlight]

Has anyone else had any problems getting their female hero pregnant? After killing my bisexual gypsy wife to make way for a rich guy from Fairfax, I've had sex more than 10 times. On my male character it seems I have another kid if I'm not wearing at least 3 condoms yet this broad is nigh impregnable.

My female hero got pregnant the very first time she had sex. At least it was with her new husband, Joss the Oakfield farmer. I don't know if there's any trick to it, but I've used protection since then to avoid spawning a brood...

[Wolvie]

Heh, I married a sad goth girl I found in the huge graveyard, and she's always happy. Even living in a gypsy caravan. Women are crazy. :p

Well that seals it, I need to find me a new woman in this game. Evidently I have a really needy wife. But like I said, one visit to the temple of shadows and I get a clean slate.

Yeah, I'm cold.

[Widgetcraft]

Heh, I married a sad goth girl I found in the huge graveyard, and she's always happy. Even living in a gypsy caravan. Women are crazy. :p

Yeah, I had one of those; the only two characteristics she had listed were "Sad, Lesbian." I've had three wives, and she was easily the best to manage. Still got rid of her and one other to move up to someone more... unique :p

[Troggles]

I just picked up the game tonight. Trying out a melee type. So far, I love the way combat works. Also, the dog is awesome.

[Wolvie]

Disregard my previous comments about offing the virtual wife. Because I figured out how to keep her happy as can be even when I'm away for a long time. The secret? Expensive furniture.
I shit you not, after I loaded the house up with the best furniture she grew happier! Then I went out and made a crap load of money and invested in my rentals, and she was absolutely beside herself with joy.
Then I learned the "come hither" emote, and we started having sex all the friggen time. Seriously, my character and his wife are like bunny rabbits now!

Now that I don't have to spend any time cheering the woman up, I can focus on the fun stuff, like jobs and quests and stuff. :D

[Purple Santa]

Disregard my previous comments about offing the virtual wife. Because I figured out how to keep her happy as can be even when I'm away for a long time. The secret? Expensive furniture.
I shit you not, after I loaded the house up with the best furniture she grew happier! Then I went out and made a crap load of money and invested in my rentals, and she was absolutely beside herself with joy.
Then I learned the "come hither" emote, and we started having sex all the friggen time. Seriously, my character and his wife are like bunny rabbits now!

Now that I don't have to spend any time cheering the woman up, I can focus on the fun stuff, like jobs and quests and stuff. :D

I'm just waiting for someone with a wife/gf who says they take better care of their virtual wife/gf better than them :p

[menage]

Well, it's official, I think this game is amazingly awesome. Last night it really sucked me in and I'm enjoying every bit of it. Peter wasn't joking that the one button combat would work fine, it works wonderfully. And the ease of play makes for less frustration in the end as well.

The game looks frigging gorgeous at times. The troll was awesome.

[Widgetcraft]

Whew, got all of the Gargoyle Heads and Demon Doors last night; just missing thirteen silver keys and I will have all of the collectible stuff. I also have fifteen STDs because of a really cheap Demon Door puzzle -.<

[Iron Past]

Whew, got all of the Gargoyle Heads and Demon Doors last night; just missing thirteen silver keys and I will have all of the collectible stuff. I also have fifteen STDs because of a really cheap Demon Door puzzle -.<

Is what you get worth hunting for Gargoyles? I'm not sure if I should inverst the time or not.

I'm not sure if it was touched on or not, but I'd like to register my wholehearted disagreement on this being an "ugly" game. Fable has a very distinct visual direction, and instead of going another way just for the sake of looking hyper-realistic (looking at you, GTA IV), they kept with it. It is extremely pretty. That's just my opinion, though.

[Widgetcraft]

Is what you get worth hunting for Gargoyles? I'm not sure if I should inverst the time or not.

It's a legendary crossbow.

On the matter of the Demon Doors...

No, it's fucking not.

I'm not sure if it was touched on or not, but I'd like to register my wholehearted disagreement on this being an "ugly" game. Fable has a very distinct visual direction, and instead of going another way just for the sake of looking hyper-realistic (looking at you, GTA IV), they kept with it. It is extremely pretty. That's just my opinion, though.

Agreed, I think it's quite beautiful.

[Squidbot]

Who said it was ugly? I think it's gorgeous.
I just finished the main storyline with my evil character, now to play through as pure good, with different abilities.

[Spigot]

Did you adjust the Gamma in the game settings? I had to turn it up a bit, but I don't know, I don't think it looks bad at all. Tonight I was playing on my computer monitor in the office in the back room rather than my big HDTV, and I thought it looked even better.Now that you mention it, I did turn the gamma up on my game. I wonder if the blur would lessen if I cranked it down a bit.

[mister slim]

Well that seals it, I need to find me a new woman in this game. Evidently I have a really needy wife. But like I said, one visit to the temple of shadows and I get a clean slate.

Yeah, I'm cold.

Right after my last post my wife started becoming unhappy at my absence. With the bridge out I couldn't get back to her and by the time I did I was divorced. I've got a new wife now though.

[Rock Bandit]

Right after my last post my wife started becoming unhappy at my absence. With the bridge out I couldn't get back to her and by the time I did I was divorced. I've got a new wife now though.

Woah, woah, woah, woah. Woah. You've got a 360? Where's my friend invite bitch?

On-topic:

Hero dolls. According to the game there's 6 different kinds but each Fable user only has access to one and must trade with others for more. I've got the kind with the union jack undies so if anyone wants that one let me know. I'm look for....well, any of the other five.

[Widgetcraft]

Hero dolls. According to the game there's 6 different kinds but each Fable user only has access to one and must trade with others for more. I've got the kind with the union jack undies so if anyone wants that one let me know. I'm look for....well, any of the other five.

I believe you're referring to the one that you get from the chest in the Guild Cave if you've played the flash games. That's not the hero doll they're referring to.

The hero doll that each copy only has one kind of is the second place prize at the shooting range. I have the Garth doll :)

[Rakael]

I have sacrificed about ten husbands so far. My girl is one eeeeevil bitch. Now I have the prize though, and I'm happy. Although, I really wanted to kill that fucking wheel guy, and it wouldn't let me.

[Rock Bandit]

I believe you're referring to the one that you get from the chest in the Guild Cave if you've played the flash games. That's not the hero doll they're referring to.

The hero doll that each copy only has one kind of is the second place prize at the shooting range. I have the Garth doll :)

Ooooooh, Samsonite. I was way off.

[Jaded Fool]

Picked this up over the weekend and did my longest gaming marathon in years. I haven't had this much fun in a game in a really long time.

One thing that got to me was the ending:


Played through as an evil bastard that loves his dog and family, so it was a pretty mixed bag - not sure if that has any effect. At the end, I chose to bring my dog and family back to life after shooting Lucien off the edge. Is that it? It played the credits, but I'm sure this can't be the end. One arrow to end the big boss? Spire still standing? I feel like I'm supposed to scale the spire and kill Theresa now.


I've also run into a lot of little issues (A button icon showing but not registering, mainly for inspecting property) but the biggest and most interesting was:


After returning from the aging quest to find Reaver having his picture taken, I waited until he shot the photographer and then just stood there. 5 minutes later I gave up and restarted, but I wondered if I could stop the shooting this time. So now as the cut scene plays I put myself between the two. He fires his gun, nothing happens. Everyones just kinda standing there staring ahead! Third time worked, but very bizarre.


Oh and also:


I married Lady Grey! Two games I've married her now, haha. It doesn't seem like she'll ever stop loving me, the bar doesn't move a bit. Only problem is she was talking to some random guy late one night. Figuring something was going down, I shot the guy in the face. Now Lady Grey runs around the town and won't go near me, but she still loves me like the day we met.


Currently in the process of trying to buy all of Bowerstone, so I can mark the whole place up and reduce it to poverty :D

[mister slim]

Woah, woah, woah, woah. Woah. You've got a 360? Where's my friend invite bitch?

I've had a 360 forever. I'll shoot you an invite.

[Wolvie]

I'm just waiting for someone with a wife/gf who says they take better care of their virtual wife/gf better than them :p

Shit, mine already has! It was a joke, but there was seeds of truth in her words. Of course I don't have the free tie to spend with my wife that my character does for his, so there's that.

Right after my last post my wife started becoming unhappy at my absence. With the bridge out I couldn't get back to her and by the time I did I was divorced. I've got a new wife now though.

To be honest? I don't really like Alex. She's blond, needy, and kind of whiny. I'd like a voluptuous brunette, who's happy and easy going... kinda like a virtual version of my real wife... Ah fuck it nothing beats the real thing. :D

[SilentScreams]

Alex seems fine for me. She wants sex all the time, but rarely becomes unhappy because of it. I gave her an allowance of 200g per day and upgraded all the furniture in the house to the best it can be though, so maybe that helped.
I prefer my second wife though. Former aristocrat now living in a gypsy caravan. It was all I could afford at the time, although now I own something like half of Bowerstone.

[TheEvilNarwhale]

I beat it last night but I am still playing it a ton. Trying to get the wraithmarsh demon door is a bastard. One or two people all ways get killed while I fight the banshees.

[Gerbs]

Beat it tonight, 23 hours of play. I'm starting over to try a darker path but I think now I'm just killing time till Fallout. I really enjoyed the world aspects of the game, combat was OK but the gunplay didn't always feel right.

[Wolvie]

Alex seems fine for me. She wants sex all the time, but rarely becomes unhappy because of it. I gave her an allowance of 200g per day and upgraded all the furniture in the house to the best it can be though, so maybe that helped.
I prefer my second wife though. Former aristocrat now living in a gypsy caravan. It was all I could afford at the time, although now I own something like half of Bowerstone.

Yeah you nailed the secret to keeping Alex happy: money and a cushy house. After I learned the "come hither" emote I have been sexing her up twice daily. My characters swelled up blue balls are a distant memory now.

[Goronmon]

I thought the game auto-saved and I messed something up so I quit without saving. Ended up going back to my last manual save and lost 2 hours of progress including beating the entire Crucible. Which was the most monotonous section of the entire game up to this point.

[Squidbot]

I thought the game auto-saved and I messed something up so I quit without saving. Ended up going back to my last manual save and lost 2 hours of progress including beating the entire Crucible. Which was the most monotonous section of the entire game up to this point.

Monotonous? I loved the crucible!

[Widgetcraft]

I beat it last night but I am still playing it a ton. Trying to get the wraithmarsh demon door is a bastard. One or two people all ways get killed while I fight the banshees.

Fast travel to Brightwood Tower, and use the gate there to get to Wraithmarsh. The gate lands you really close to the door; you won't have to fight anything on the way there.

Beat it tonight, 23 hours of play. I'm starting over to try a darker path but I think now I'm just killing time till Fallout. I really enjoyed the world aspects of the game, combat was OK but the gunplay didn't always feel right.

Really? Because pistols became my primary weapon about halfway through the game when I realized how awesome they were. My melee weapon was just kept around to knock enemies back with a flourish, or to finish them off.

[menage]

Just a swordfighter for now, I'm going to keep the pistols for my Dark Gunman of Death character.

[Spigot]

I'm still trying to do my level best to not use melee weapons at all. Magic and rifles for me, thanks!

[Kielaran]

Monotonous? I loved the crucible!

Agreed. Last night Klunka and I went though it 3-4 times trying to get perfect on every room, but we couldn't finish the final room in time. :(

[MagGnome]

I spent a few hours (real hours) wandering around Bowerstone, working and earning a ton of cash. I then bought two business, some nice clothes, and a new hair cut and dye job. Everyone loves the new look, and the cat calls and comments from passersby are great! There's so much to see and do in this game, and I've only been to the first two areas!! I can see myself sinking many hours into this game and replaying it several times.

I returned to Bower Lake with the intention of playing for another 30 minutes, and two hours later I was still playing. I was exploring the countryside when I realized that I was being followed. My stalker turned out to be Ben the Gypsy, the first gay man I've encountered. He was in love with me, and told me that we needed a ring. I gave him one, and after buying Thag's house, we are married!

I'm surprised at how dirty this game is. My husband propositioned me in no uncertain terms, and the sex scene, though blacked out, was raunchy and hilarious. Apparently my beard tickles. ;) We had protected sex. Although I know there's no risk of pregnancy (two males), I can't take the chance that my new husband might be a disease-carrying whore. I set him up with a nice cash flow, and tomorrow I'm off to continue my adventures!

[Gerbs]

Really? Because pistols became my primary weapon about halfway through the game when I realized how awesome they were. My melee weapon was just kept around to knock enemies back with a flourish, or to finish them off.

Sure they are effective (by the end I was dropping most foes with a one rifle headshot) it just seemed clumsy getting the manual aim ability to kick in. There were times when it worked and it worked well, dropping multiple bandits back to back with headshots but other times I was cursing trying to enter the aim mode, or I was in the aim mode surrounded by targets and the autoaim wouldn't pick any of them up.

I ended up using a master matchlock rifle most of the latter part game, I found it more satisfying than even a legendary pistol.

[Norse]

So, there's gay sex in the game? Why hasn't the media gone insane by now?

This is exactly why this game is awesome, there's almost no limits :)

[menage]

So, there's gay sex in the game? Why hasn't the media gone insane by now?

This is exactly why this game is awesome, there's almost no limits :)

Lesbians can even get kids apparently:p

[Klunka]

Agreed. Last night Klunka and I went though it 3-4 times trying to get perfect on every room, but we couldn't finish the final room in time. :(


After I backed out into my solo game, my character had the glowing blue runes all over his body because of all the spells I bought. Needless to say I walk around shirtless now. Going through the 2nd and 3rd quest in the game while spamming level 5 lightning will be fun

[SilentScreams]

Every time I read this thread I end up loading the game up.
Far Cry 2 has actually taken a backseat, and that's the game I was more hyped about.

I'm not even that far in the story itself. I've just been amassing wealth by buying low and selling high, and buying property with the profits.

[Squidbot]

Has anyone managed the 50 Gargoyles? I still cannot kill the one in the Guild cave, I have full Aim and I cannot shoot it :(

[Spigot]

So, there's gay sex in the game? Why hasn't the media gone insane by now?

This is exactly why this game is awesome, there's almost no limits :)I think it's because it isn't something snuck into, say, a Spongebob game or something. That, and Fable doesn't quite have the notoriety of a GTA franchise.

If there wasn't a big election campaign and other goofy stuff happening to keep the newsies busy, I bet there WOULD be someone yammering about this a la the Mass Effect idiocy last year. That said, maybe someone at one of these news organizations learned something from that Fox News segment last year...

[Squidbot]

So a friend of mine has pointed out an exploit for making a lot of gold.

The money from the rent of properties, or income from buisinesses, is calculated based on real time passed, so you're making money even when not playing. If you set your dashboard clock forwards a few years and load your save you will gain years of accumulated gold

I've tried this on my completed save, on my second play through I'm not using it.

[MachEnergy]

I decided before playing this game that I would accept my choices and not reload previous saves or anything like that. It has really driven home the essence of choice that Lionhead seems to have intended.

For example, I had two quest options, one being good and one being evil. For the good one, I was supposed to help a farm that was being raided by bandits. When I tried to travel there, it informed me that I couldn't because I hadn't already been there. So I chose to do the evil one, which wanted me to help the bandits raid the farm. I assumed that I could pretend to do the quest, but turn around and just kill the bandits. Nope, my attack was disabled. So now I had this quest active, and when I followed the trail to the farm, the "good" people were attacking me. Knowing that I cannot just disable this quest, I went ahead and slaughtered the farmer and his helpers. To this day (currently 10 years later), people still show their disgust at my actions. I'm a completely good and honest person, however I made this big mistake and I am constantly reminded of it.

"Murderer!", they call me. Some hero...

[Widgetcraft]

Has anyone managed the 50 Gargoyles? I still cannot kill the one in the Guild cave, I have full Aim and I cannot shoot it :(

Yep, I got'em all. When you say you can't shoot it, do you mean that even with it in your crosshairs, it won't die with a shot?

Heh, I married a sad goth girl I found in the huge graveyard, and she's always happy. Even living in a gypsy caravan. Women are crazy. :p

I did the same thing for my second wife; she was awesome. Got rid of her when I found a more unique bride.

I sometimes feel bad about that.

[Squidbot]

Yup, it just wont die.

[Variable Gear]

That part of the 1UP Show last week (http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/22254) that mocked the expression system in Fable 2 summed up my feelings about that part of the game.

[Talon]

You know, the one choice that actually felt pretty pivotal to me was the Dark Seal quest. I say this because, as gamers, we're (usually) very much attached to the appearance of our character, and it actually became a question of either doing the "right thing" (assuming you're playing a good guy) versus doing the selfish thing. It didn't feel detached like most so-called important decisions in games.

The ending pissed me off quite a bit as well (right when Lucien says that your family is dead), but the Sacrifice choice felt necessary for the way I tend to play these things. Frankly, I felt more empty from losing my dog than the Sim family.

End of game spoilers above, folks. Stay away if you haven't finished the game.

Also, this game might be the easiest RPG I have ever played.

[Iron Past]

Also, this game might be the easiest RPG I have ever played.

Whether you consider that good or bad, I'm pretty sure it was intendid. They seem to want you to experience the story of your character and the consequences of your actions on Albion rather than make a true action RPG.

Wow, I really sound like a shill there, huh?

[ClannerDelta]

Also, this game might be the easiest RPG I have ever played.

This is my biggest problem. There really isn't any challenge in the fights. Give me some damage/hitpoint/ruleset options.

I honestly don't even know what happens when you "die". I've not experienced it yet. The closest I've come to running out of HP was when a pair of Balverines knocked me into a rock and kept beating on me, making attacking impossible.

Eventually I remembered I could just jump away (First time I ever had to use that).

It's my biggest problem with the game right now. I feel like a God, not a hero.

Whether you consider that good or bad, I'm pretty sure it was intendid. They seem to want you to experience the story of your character and the consequences of your actions on Albion rather than make a true action RPG.

Wow, I really sound like a shill there, huh?

I understand the point, it's just that you get things like Zoom and it's later skill which are useless in general. Why aim for the head when I can kill them faster with 3 shots instead of the 1.

I think it's great that I spend 90% of my time not fighting and loving it, but I would prefer the combat just be left out entirely if it's going to be as boring as it it. It detracts from my Real Estate ventures and Treasure Hunting. :)

[Talon]

Whether you consider that good or bad, I'm pretty sure it was intendid. They seem to want you to experience the story of your character and the consequences of your actions on Albion rather than make a true action RPG.

Wow, I really sound like a shill there, huh?

I don't necessarily consider it a bad thing. Peter has said the same exact thing before, and it bears through with the game. After all, your character is...well, the Hero, so it fits in a sense.

It just feels odd going through a full game and not having a sense of peril at all.

[itchyeyes]

Also, this game might be the easiest RPG I have ever played.
The more I play this game, the less I think it should be considered an RPG. In a lot of ways it bears more in common with games like Animal Crossing and The Sims than it does games like Oblivion and Mass Effect. It's part RPG, but it's so much more. I see a lot of people going into it with the expectation of it being a more pure RPG and playing it that way and really being disappointed with what they're finding because they're missing so much of the content and even if they do see that content they don't want to mess with it because they don't see it as part of the "real" game.

[Primus]

I did the same thing for my second wife; she was awesome. Got rid of her when I found a more unique bride.

I sometimes feel bad about that.

Don't feel too bad, two of my wives became victims of the Shadow Worshipers, just so I could get that very, very lame sword they give you for contributing to the torture. What a waste of time. Also they took my kid from me.

[Talon]

The more I play this game, the less I think it should be considered an RPG. In a lot of ways it bears more in common with games like Animal Crossing and The Sims than it does games like Oblivion and Mass Effect. It's part RPG, but it's so much more. I see a lot of people going into it with the expectation of it being a more pure RPG and playing it that way and really being disappointed with what they're finding because they're missing so much of the content and even if they do see that content they don't want to mess with it because they don't see it as part of the "real" game.

Although I played through a lot of the Sims aspect of the game by buying up houses, moving furniture around (seriously), managing my family, etc., that aspect of the game is pretty shallow. All that extra content isn't what's bringing me back to the game.

If Lionhead was trying to get us attached to the family, having the same canned 5 lines isn't the way to do it. I got way more tied up with my dog because (a) it doesn't have to talk and (b) it was helping me the entire game.

The storyline and the quest was what kept me playing as the family stuff felt like an obligation to the character rather than something that came naturally. Now, I liked buying up property because, hey, who doesn't love collecting rent?

I liked the game as a whole, but I'm not entirely sure what I was expecting from the game. All in all, I guess I would say that the game felt light due to the brevity of the main quest (although this game isn't alone at all in that regards) and the rather straightforward and shallow (even in game terms) storyline.

But, hey, maybe we'll find out that Teresa ain't so nice considering the way she left at the end of the game.

[Superman's Dead]

Also they took my kid from me.

Is it possible in the game to hunt them down and kill them after that?

I really enjoy lurking threads for huge open-ended games like this that I won't play for a while. Builds the hype. =)

[Widgetcraft]

The more I play this game, the less I think it should be considered an RPG. In a lot of ways it bears more in common with games like Animal Crossing and The Sims than it does games like Oblivion and Mass Effect.

Perhaps you should reconsider your definition of role-playing?

[Squidbot]

But, hey, maybe we'll find out that Teresa ain't so nice considering the way she left at the end of the game.

Yeah, wtf was up with that? "The Spire is mine!" Um, ok, when did you get so scary!

[Goronmon]

All in all, I guess I would say that the game felt light due to the brevity of the main quest (although this game isn't alone at all in that regards) and the rather straightforward and shallow (even in game terms) storyline. I think the problem is that your character is the most interesting and influential person in the game. How you play determines how "interesting" the story is at some level.

[Widgetcraft]

Yeah, wtf was up with that? "The Spire is mine!" Um, ok, when did you get so scary!

I'm the only one that saw it coming? She's a seer, and she is also the one who told you and your sister to buy the music box. She knew what was going down.

[Squidbot]

I'm the only one that saw it coming? She's a seer, and she is also the one who told you and your sister to buy the music box. She knew what was going down.

I didn't see it coming, I totally got suckered in by her, she seemed so nice, but after it happened it did twig that it was her that had orchestrated the whole affair from the beginning. Well played, Theresa, well played indeed!
Also, I'm loving this communicating with black spoiler boxes. :D

[MachEnergy]

sigh, i really wish spoiler tags did something to the text i get in my email inbox

not your guys faults, because you are properly using the tags......i just wish i hadn't read the contents in my email :(

[Talon]

I think the problem is that your character is the most interesting and influential person in the game. How you play determines how "interesting" the story is at some level.

Sure you have a hand in effecting the narrative in some sense, but the story is still set in stone. What happens is going to happen, and that's the part of the game that feels shallower than even a crappy Forgotten Realms novel.

sigh, i really wish spoiler tags did something to the text i get in my email inbox

not your guys faults, because you are properly using the tags......i just wish i hadn't read the contents in my email :(

God, man, I'm really sorry. I feel like an asshole now because I really take spoilers seriously. :(

[Spigot]

Yeah. The e-mail feed doesn't say SPOILER or anything. It's kind of annoying :P

[Virtual Machine]

The one thing this game has really succeeded in making me do was pop the first Fable back into the Xbox again - first time since i finished it a week after launch.

This is not meant as a knock on Fable 2 at all, but I think i definitely prefer the first game. Man that was GOLD. It looks purdy on the 360 too.

[n3rdXcore]

So I got married, bought a house, and had a kid. Thing is, both me and my wife are white. But our kid's black. Whatttttttttttttttttttttttt?

[Goronmon]

So I got married, bought a house, and had a kid. Thing is, both me and my wife are white. But our kid's black. Whatttttttttttttttttttttttt?Oh man, you just got owned.

[Wolvie]

So I got married, bought a house, and had a kid. Thing is, both me and my wife are white. But our kid's black. Whatttttttttttttttttttttttt?

LMAO! Dude, your wife has been porking the pool boy. Your first hint should have been the fact that you don't have a pool. :D

I also might be that your character is so bad ass that your "love" produces black kids. You daaaaaamn right.

[Psykoboy2]

So I got married, bought a house, and had a kid. Thing is, both me and my wife are white. But our kid's black. Whatttttttttttttttttttttttt?

My Name Is Earl.

[Sandman]

Where do you get haircuts in Bowerstone?

[Telefrog]

Where do you get haircuts in Bowerstone?

There's a store next to the tailor. It has a barber's pole in front.

[Wolvie]

Where do you get haircuts in Bowerstone?

Yeah, it's across the street from the woman's tailor shop. Go for the Mohawk.

[MachEnergy]

So I got married, bought a house, and had a kid. Thing is, both me and my wife are white. But our kid's black. Whatttttttttttttttttttttttt?

lol......i can only think of one single black person in the game (as far as i have played), so i'm pretty sure i know who she's been banging while you are away

the 3rd hero....the dude you rescue from Lucien's fortress....wtf is his name?

[Sandman]

Yeah, it's across the street from the woman's tailor shop. Go for the Mohawk.

I'm not sure if I remember where that shop is....I've been there but have no reason to frequent it. I remember Pants though.

[SPBTooL]

I'm not sure if I remember where that shop is....I've been there but have no reason to frequent it. I remember Pants though.Face the blacksmith and head left. It will be on the left.

[MalReynolds]

i killed all the shop keepers ... lol and bought all the shops

[Wolvie]

I'm not sure if I remember where that shop is....I've been there but have no reason to frequent it. I remember Pants though.

The best directions I can give is go to the clock tower in the middle of Bowerstone market and face the pub. The Blacksmith shop should be to your right. See that ally to the right of the pub? Head straight toward the pub from the clock tower down the ally street. Keep heading straight until you see a tailer sign to your right and the barber shop should be across the street. It has a barber poll attached to the building, it's hard to miss.

Again do the Mohawk. )D

[Widgetcraft]

It's the first store on the left on the road from the market to Fairfax Gardens.

[ClannerDelta]

So I managed to break my game.
I'm in the Spire, not going into detail but you get to the quest to fight Hellraiser McSithpants and it has me look out the window then... nothing. It just stops. I'm still in control of my character but I can't move. So I reload, same thing. I select the Barnum quest and "Y" reload out of the spire. Fight back up to that point... aaaand stuck again. Same thing every time.

So now I'm looking at the prospect of restarting. How buggy is the Co-op? Is anyone willing to risk it to let me tag along sometime today?

[MachEnergy]

So now I'm looking at the prospect of restarting. How buggy is the Co-op? Is anyone willing to risk it to let me tag along sometime today?

I tried co-op for a single mission. I saw my friend running around Bowerstone so I jumped into his game. After that one mission, I swore it off until some sort of patch comes out. A SERIOUS patch. Like....Burnout Paradise quality.

[ClannerDelta]

Care to elaborate? I've seen a lot of "Zomg it's bad and buggy" without any real specifics.

[Goronmon]

Care to elaborate? I've seen a lot of "Zomg it's bad and buggy" without any real specifics.It's bad because you share the camera with the host, even on-line AFAIK, which is just about the worst way to play a game like this ever.

[Talon]

It's bad because you share the camera with the host, even on on-line AFAIK, which is just about the worst way to play a game like this ever.

That is the silliest shit I have ever heard.

[ClannerDelta]

It's bad because you share the camera with the host, even on on-line AFAIK, which is just about the worst way to play a game like this ever.

Hahahaha, what? I'm tempted to try it out now just for that.

[MachEnergy]

Care to elaborate? I've seen a lot of "Zomg it's bad and buggy" without any real specifics.

I'll spoiler tag this, since it is gonna be long ;)

First off, it sucks playing a henchman and not your hero. Old news, wah wah. Moving on. It has been mentioned already, but it is worth noting that you are forced to share the same camera. Not only that, but the camera seems lagged.

Lag, that's another problem. Throughout the game, there were periods where voice chat went silent. After the lag cleared, I was flooded with 2 minutes of continuous dialog. It buffered up everything my friend had said, and then spit it all back at me with out pauses. At the same time, I can hear his real-time voice trying to find out why I'm not talking. Not to mention that the voice quality is not that great. You are better off doing Private Chat. Far better.

More on lag....while I was fighting some bandits with my friend, my character became unresponsive. After a little bit, he started moving again, but not performing the commands I was attempting. Also, my friend was moving in erratic patterns. After a couple minutes, I get bombarded with the buffered voice bomb again, and I hear him commenting on how I'm just standing still while he was fighting all the enemies. After everything caught up to real-time again, he told me that my character sat still for the whole fight, and then played out my entire fight sequence once the killing had already completed.

My friend was playing a super-good character, like myself, so I didn't run into any morality issues. However, I have read that if your partner was to do something really bad, your character will take the Evil points hit as well. This could be seen as a feature, I suppose. Guilty by association, and whatnot. Still, since you are only using a temporary henchman character, why should you have to take the morality points back to your main hero??

I may not have described it well enough, but it was godawful to play. Overall, it is obvious that the game was not designed with co-op in mind. It is thrown together as an afterthought. Which is a shame, because they told us years ago that Fable 2 would have co-op......which it kinda does.....I guess.

[Telefrog]

Yeah, it's understandable for the one console co-op mode to share the camera Lego Star Wars style, but having that same setup for the online co-op sucks big ass.

[Goronmon]

Yeah, it's understandable for the one console co-op mode to share the camera Lego Star Wars style, but having that same setup for the online co-op sucks big ass.It's understandable in the sense that I could see why someone would take the quick and dirty approach rather than worry about split screen or anything.

However, the end result is that I found the co-op experience to be nearly unplayable, at least from the perspective of actually being enjoyable.

[ClannerDelta]

I may not have described it well enough, but it was godawful to play. Overall, it is obvious that the game was not designed with co-op in mind. It is thrown together as an afterthought. Which is a shame, because they told us years ago that Fable 2 would have co-op......which it kinda does.....I guess.

The henchman thing is what I like. Like the tiny robot from Jet Force Gemini on the N64.

What you described is just depressing though. I was hoping for better. Guess I shelf the game for a few patches.

[EternalGamer]

I can't find any gay aristocrats to slum with the she-male in a 3-way. I tried offering the straight ones tons of alcohol, but they just stand around staring at me and "Nasty McSleezy Knees" (what I named my pet she-male).

[SPBTooL]

Care to elaborate? I've seen a lot of "Zomg it's bad and buggy" without any real specifics. It is basically the camera. It doesn't pull out far enough, can limit your travel and the environment doesn't go transparent when between the camera and the players.

[Norse]

I can't find any gay aristocrats to slum with the she-male in a 3-way. I tried offering the straight ones tons of alcohol, but they just stand around staring at me and "Nasty McSleezy Knees" (what I named my pet she-male).

You can't always apply your real life tactics to Fable 2 ;)

[MagGnome]

I can't find any gay aristocrats to slum with the she-male in a 3-way. I tried offering the straight ones tons of alcohol, but they just stand around staring at me and "Nasty McSleezy Knees" (what I named my pet she-male).

I've only found one gay man so far - a guy in the gypsy camp who I married simply because he's gay and in love with me. I didn't have to do any work to get him to love me either.

Probably not too far from reality. :p

[EternalGamer]

I've only found one gay man so far - a guy in the gypsy camp who I married simply because he's gay and in love with me. I didn't have to do any work to get him to love me either.

Probably not too far from reality. :p

There are plenty of gay characters and some of the straight ones will even turn if you hit on them enough. But they are all lowerclass. Wait until you get to Bloodstone. The place is trashy, half the people are prostituits (of every possible variety), and everyone is horny all the time.

[Telefrog]

There are plenty of gay characters and some of the straight ones will even turn if you hit on them enough. But they are all lowerclass. Wait until you get to Bloodstone. The place is trashy, half the people are prostituits (of every possible variety), and everyone is horny all the time.

Bloodstone here I come! :D

[MagGnome]

There are plenty of gay characters and some of the straight ones will even turn if you hit on them enough. But they are all lowerclass. Wait until you get to Bloodstone. The place is trashy, half the people are prostituits (of every possible variety), and everyone is horny all the time.

I haven't been to Bloodstone yet. I'll have to check it out. ;)

I spent over an hour running around Brightwood, killing bandits and exploring old ruins for loot. I'm loving this game!

I do have one wish though. I wish that the region screens would give the total number of dig and dive spots. They give the total number of Gargoyles and silver keys, but I want to know how many dive and dig spots there are as well. The completionist in me demands it!

[Goronmon]

I have to say that Will skills are overpowered. I grabbed level 4 Inferno or whatever the fire is on my mainly melee guy just because I had a ton of Will experience. Holy crap. Throw down a Time power then cast the Inferno and it just destroys everything, and there is one more level that does about twice the damage.

I'm going to start a mainly Will character right now and see how much different it is.

[Iron Past]

I have to say that Will skills are overpowered. I grabbed level 4 Inferno or whatever the fire is on my mainly melee guy just because I had a ton of Will experience. Holy crap. Throw down a Time power then cast the Inferno and it just destroys everything, and there is one more level that does about twice the damage.

I'm going to start a mainly Will character right now and see how much different it is.

Hm, I don't think they're overpowered at all, but then again I don't have Inferno. My level 4 Shock even takes a few casts, assuming I can get it off before I eat it. Of course, it depends on who you fight, too, since some enemies are far more powerful than others.

Something I find funny: it seems crotch shots are almost as deadly as head shots. And shooting a White Balverine in the head right before he jumps you is awesome.

[Telefrog]

Peter Molyneux is a sadistic man.

I started a quest in which a farmer asked me to bring a notorious bandit to justice because the ne'er-do-well murdered his wife and kids a while ago. My dog, "Biscuits," and I set off into the woods and proceeded to tear through bandit ambushes. I finally got up to the bandit leader and after an awesome fight punctuated by slo-mo hammer hits from my Hammerthyst, he surrendered.

At this point, Fable II offered me a choice, kill the bandit right then, or bring him back to the farmer so he could have his vengeance. Now, I knew that bringing him back to the farmer would be an evil act in real life since it would encourage vengeance rather than justice, but I figured the game wasn't that sophisticated. I assumed the game would just judge my killing the bandit out in the woods to be the greater evil since it could be seen as "stealing" justice from the farmer.

Since I'm playing an incredibly corrupt and evil Hero, I crushed the bandit and farted on his body. I returned to the farmer to gloat over snatching his closure. The quest ends and the damn farmer decides to come to terms with his grief thanks to my noble act of justice and the game "rewards" me with 30 points of good! Dammit!

I was so angry, I immediately fast traveled to Oakvale and went on a killing spree. Life is cheap in Albion and at 1000 gold per murder, I'll vent my frustration by drinking my fill of innocent blood!

I can't believe Molyneux wasn't lying when he said the morality in this game would be harder to discern.

[Kielaran]

I have played co-op for a few nights now. The only issues I had with it was 1. the camera is a pain. 2. The hero and henchman are tethered together and it is frustrating when you can only go half the distance of the screen away from each other.

I experienced none of the lag Mach had. Then again, it may be the proximity of the person you are playing with. Aggort and I are only 20 some miles away and Klunka is is the same quadrant of the US of me. Clanner, I would be up for giving it a go at some time, if for no other reason than to let you see how it is.I found it a lot of fun personally, so I would suggest trying it before writing it off.

[evilgoodwin]

Finished up my entire log of quests besides the repeatables, and sat down to finally finish the game on my "good" character. Rough stuff.

Before I beat the game, I wandered back to the farm to see if my wife was unbugged. Nope. Still vanished in thin air. But my daughter was responsive! She introduced herself and was nice. Made me happy, but at least she wasn't just frozen, as usual. With this feeling of joy, I go to beat the game.

........what a bastard. I would have chosen love, but my wife was still gone, and I felt she'd be bugged and I'd just lose my daughter again. So I chose Sacrifice and took the burden.

After some time wandering around, I remarried to the Bowerstone Jeweler (because I'd been boinking her every time the shops were closed when I went there. Mainly to kill time. I didn't say I was perfect). I moved into her house (already owned it. Didn't feel bad about evicting her since she would still live there. Plus, I couldn't move back into the Homestead (BUG)), and we had a son. I don't know if he'll ever grow up, though. But this woman actually seemed to care more, as opposed to Natalie the Barmaid (I needed to see what was behind that door, dammit). She gives me gifts every time I see her (last one gave me NOTHING), and I like the attention.

Unfortunately, I do miss the dog. Especially since I can't finish the Archeologist quests now. Probably can't find all of the silver keys, either since one's probably buried somewhere that I missed. All I'm doing now is waiting for my million gold to buy Fairfax and see what's there, then my hero will retire until there's some extra content. Molyneux IS sadistic, though. Even when you do the right thing, it changes everything. I miss my dog and my daughter.

Of course, I started a new character last night... Evil Will user (seems to be the thing to do). I played her for a few hours, and she's already gotten horns and corrupted skin. All because someone kicked my Dog in Old Town and I misfired. And then I did it again. And again. And then someone wouldn't give me a present unless they thought I was ugly, they had to go. And I wanted to test out the wheel at the Shadow Temple.... And the tattooist wouldn't give me anything when I extorted him......

[TrackZero]

Of course, I started a new character last night... Evil Will user (seems to be the thing to do). I played her for a few hours, and she's already gotten horns and corrupted skin. All because someone kicked my Dog in Old Town and I misfired. And then I did it again. And again. And then someone wouldn't give me a present unless they thought I was ugly, they had to go. And I wanted to test out the wheel at the Shadow Temple.... And the tattooist wouldn't give me anything when I extorted him......

I had similar problems with my "main" family. And it turned out to be a blessing. Because, holy shit my daughter in Bowerstone was annoying as hell. "Daddy, DADDY!" following me around the zone constantly, unable to shut her mouth for two seconds without a childish English drawl spilling from her yapper. But I do feel you on the dog thing as well, I feel like I made the wrong choice in losing him. Replaying as Evil now, planning to keep my dog at the end.

Also, is it just me, or is it hard as hell to sacrifice people at the Temple of Shadows? Half the time I bring some sucker there, I get them in the circle, pull the lever, and they run out of the circle screaming before the wheel finishes spinning. What's the deal there? Then they just run around screaming for their life, I can't calm them down, and I either have to leave the zone or just kill them out of spite, which doesn't net me my Loyalty points.

[TrackZero]

I have to say that Will skills are overpowered. I grabbed level 4 Inferno or whatever the fire is on my mainly melee guy just because I had a ton of Will experience. Holy crap. Throw down a Time power then cast the Inferno and it just destroys everything, and there is one more level that does about twice the damage.

I'm going to start a mainly Will character right now and see how much different it is.

Depends, you lose speed and your exp mulitplier far more easily if you are a will user. And against trolls....ugh, brutal. It's way easier to be a skill based player and gun his weak points to take him down quick (needed to meet the times in the tournament). I also died a number of times trying to charge up to level 4 or 5 spells when getting just mobbed.

[ClannerDelta]

Is there any point to the "fast" shooting weapons? It seems that my Flintlock rifle is already far faster than it takes me to hold Y + L trigger + aim. And at lower levels the flint lock would pretty much outright kill most things.

[evilgoodwin]

Depends, you lose speed and your exp mulitplier far more easily if you are a will user. And against trolls....ugh, brutal. It's way easier to be a skill based player and gun his weak points to take him down quick (needed to meet the times in the tournament). I also died a number of times trying to charge up to level 4 or 5 spells when getting just mobbed.

I found that setting the Slow Time spell to the first 3 spots helped me out a bunch for mobs. Rank 1 gives me enough time to cast Rank 3, which gives me plenty of time to cast Rank 5 of whatever I feel is necessary. Vortex is fun.

But that aside, I went back in with my good guy and got at least some happy news for once.

Not enough money to buy Fairfax, but I did find a happy surprise. Went to Bloodstone to buy some furniture (read: bookshelves. Houses have a lot of bookshelves for some reason) and got an alert that my family had a gift, as usual. That's about 5 gifts in a few hours as opposed to 0 from the last one. When I returned from Bloodstone, I discovered that my baby had grown into a child. So for future reference, you can remarry and have kids and they won't remain babies forever.

On the downside, I gave him a toy sword and I got a notice about a "Family Emergency" and found out he wandered into the Hobbe Cave to be an adventurer "like daddy." Fantastic. Went in to save him, killed many a hobbe (reiterate: Vortex is fun!) and got him to the exit, where I clicked on the ladder to exit and take my boy home and-- lockup. Game freezes at the exit.

....... Will try again tomorrow.

Going to restart the evil chick. It's easier to buy stuff when people like you. And when a tenant has an unfortunate accident involving being taken on a sightseeing tour of certain hazardous places, it affects the building's value negatively forever. Plus, I owe the guards around 14k gold. And I just barely got to Oakfield.

[MagGnome]

I really want to read all of those spoilers that everyone keeps putting up. Oh well, I guess I'll come back after I've finished the game and read through them all.

I spent quite a bit of time Gargoyle hunting last night, and I've already found 12 of them! After that I decided to finally continue the main quest, so I headed to Ridgewood, or whatever that area is called. I got through my first demon door before calling it a night.

[TrackZero]

I spent quite a bit of time Gargoyle hunting last night, and I've already found 12 of them! After that I decided to finally continue the main quest, so I headed to Ridgewood, or whatever that area is called. I got through my first demon door before calling it a night.

Nice. I got up to 39 gargoyles killed on my first character. I found them not too bad, as you know there's some in certain areas just by the look (buildings, ruins, rock outcroppings) and then you just listen for a voice insulting you. ;)

It should be noted that you have to at least have some skill in....accuracy? The one that lets you aim your gun. Otherwise you can't hit the gargoyles and you won't even hear them laughing at you. Playing as a will user for the first few hours, it drove me nuts trying to use a spell or anything on the first gargoyle I found, and nothing would touch it.

[Iron Past]

It's the second dexterity level, I think.

[Goronmon]

I was going to play my female Will user as a more Evil/Corrupt character, but man, they really discourage you from doing things wrong. You pay more, have to deal with the sheriffs. Plus if you set rent high you get ticks of Corrupt every 5 minutes when you collect rent off of everyone you see nearby.

And my chick wants to get some too, so I can't just be Evil all over the place.

[Telefrog]

It's the second dexterity level, I think.

Yup. Without being able to manually aim, they gargoyles won't even taunt you.

Since enemies respawn in certain zones, and switching off techniques in the midst of battle is so darned fun, I don't understand why everyone doesn't always just max everything out eventually. I know I plan to do so.

[Squidbot]

Yup. Without being able to manually aim, they gargoyles won't even taunt you.

Since enemies respawn in certain zones, and switching off techniques in the midst of battle is so darned fun, I don't understand why everyone doesn't always just max everything out eventually. I know I plan to do so.

I am maxing everything on one character, but my other two are specialists. I like the ability to have some control over the way your character looks, and whacking loads into Physique makes my female character look....wrong, so she has no points in Physique :)

[Telefrog]

I am maxing everything on one character, but my other two are specialists. I like the ability to have some control over the way your character looks, and whacking loads into Physique makes my female character look....wrong, so she has no points in Physique :)

I think Physique is the only characteristic that directly changes your Hero's appearance, correct? I know using a lot of magic will eventually make you get glowing lines all over you, and of course evil and good will change you, but Physique is the only experience-based trait that will instantly morph your avatar.

Pumping up the primary skillsets of melee combat, ranged combat, and whatever spell you want shouldn't visually change you. After all, you can always buy unlimited experience potions.

[Troggles]

Skill makes you character taller. I play a Female who is heavy on physique, and I tend to skip being defensive so I end up eating a lot in combat and getting fat. It's so hard to stay skinny.

[inmostlight]

I think Physique is the only characteristic that directly changes your Hero's appearance, correct? I know using a lot of magic will eventually make you get glowing lines all over you, and of course evil and good will change you, but Physique is the only experience-based trait that will instantly morph your avatar.

Pumping up the primary skillsets of melee combat, ranged combat, and whatever spell you want shouldn't visually change you. After all, you can always buy unlimited experience potions.

Skill abilities will make your avatar taller, and the Strength ones make you beefier. Unfortunately it seems like the beefiness is much more noticeable than the tallness, so I too have a female fighter who's primarily skill and will, but still looks all chunky just from me giving her more health and the combo melee attacks.

[Telefrog]

Skill abilities will make your avatar taller, and the Strength ones make you beefier. Unfortunately it seems like the beefiness is much more noticeable than the tallness, so I too have a female fighter who's primarily skill and will, but still looks all chunky just from me giving her more health and the combo melee attacks.

Skill makes you taller? :confused: That's a weird morph reason. I get Physique making you beefier and stronger, but why would getting better at shooting things make a person taller? WTF?

[itchyeyes]

Pumping up the primary skillsets of melee combat, ranged combat, and whatever spell you want shouldn't visually change you. After all, you can always buy unlimited experience potions.
It kind of goes back to the idea of the game. The whole premise of Fable is that the way you play the game effects the game itself. In the original game these effects were almost wholly confined to the hero, so a lot of emphasis was placed on morphing the way your character looked. Skill and will also have visual effects on you. Skill makes you taller, and will makes the glowing lines appear. Both are based on how much you level up, just like with strength.

[itchyeyes]

Skill makes you taller? :confused: That's a weird morph reason. I get Physique making you beefier and stronger, but why would getting better at shooting things make a person taller? WTF?
Again, it kind of goes back to the original game. In Fable 1 ranged weapons were bows and crossbows. So the idea of what someone skilled in ranged weapons would look like was kind of like a elf-like, tall and lanky. Hence the reason you get taller for using ranged weapons more.

[TheSilentDeath]

Skill makes you character taller. I play a Female who is heavy on physique, and I tend to skip being defensive so I end up eating a lot in combat and getting fat. It's so hard to stay skinny.

That's when you get a ghoul augment and put it on your best weapon. No more needing to eat to heal yourself.

[Troggles]

I have yet to buy myself an augmentable weapon. Is that augment available on the sellers or do I need to find it somewhere specifically?

[National Kato]

...so I end up eating a lot in combat and getting fat. It's so hard to stay skinny.

You could always buy vegetables from the produce seller. Some have good healing factors and will make you thinner. Stay away from meat and booze.

[TheSilentDeath]

I have yet to buy myself an augmentable weapon. Is that augment available on the sellers or do I need to find it somewhere specifically?

It can sometimes be found on at the sellers and is most likely to pop up in Bloodstone rather than Bowerstone. There are a few chests that give them out and I know for a fact that the 40th gargoyle chest gives you one. As for augmentable weapons, if you've made it to Westclift you should be able to purchase one. I know I had my Ghoul and augmentable weapon by the time I did the crucible for the first time.

[Widgetcraft]

I think Physique is the only characteristic that directly changes your Hero's appearance, correct?

Physique and Accuracy. We all know what Physique does, but what a lot of people don't realize is that Accuracy makes your character taller, and gives him/her a bit wider shoulders, from what I can tell. My first character has maxed out everything but Physique now, but my evil character has maxed out everything except Physique and Accuracy. Of course, she looks terrible since she is evil, so I keep her covered up with an assassin's coat to hide the terrible skin condition that comes with corruption.

[Squidbot]

I need to hook my 360 up so I can take screenshots somehow, a thread for Fable 2 characters would be great.

[Iron Past]

I need to hook my 360 up so I can take screenshots somehow, a thread for Fable 2 characters would be great.

Ooh, I'd love that. I quess we can just go the route of snapping pics of the TV screen.

[Wolvie]

Physique and Accuracy. We all know what Physique does, but what a lot of people don't realize is that Accuracy makes your character taller, and gives him/her a bit wider shoulders, from what I can tell. My first character has maxed out everything but Physique now, but my evil character has maxed out everything except Physique and Accuracy. Of course, she looks terrible since she is evil, so I keep her covered up with an assassin's coat to hide the terrible skin condition that comes with corruption.

Doesn't dexterity make you taller and thinner?

Skill makes you character taller. I play a Female who is heavy on physique, and I tend to skip being defensive so I end up eating a lot in combat and getting fat. It's so hard to stay skinny.

I wonder if female characters get fatter faster then their male counterparts. :D

[Widgetcraft]

Doesn't dexterity make you taller and thinner?

Taller, not thinner. My female character actually became more boxy around the shoulders. My other female character, who has the same distribution except without any points in Accuracy, is much more feminine.

[Widgetcraft]

MS has released their solution to the missing DLC cards: Give them the e-mail attached to your Live account, and they'll send you a code within the next five days (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/games/fable2/default.htm). I'm thinking the LE users might have gotten screwed here, as I seriously doubt they can tell the difference between the two versions. Even if they could, it isn't like no one out there hasn't let a friend play an LE copy on another 360.

[Telefrog]

MS has released their solution to the missing DLC cards: Give them the e-mail attached to your Live account, and they'll send you a code within the next five days (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/games/fable2/default.htm). I'm thinking the LE users might have gotten screwed here, as I seriously doubt they can tell the difference between the two versions. Even if they could, it isn't like no one out there hasn't let a friend play an LE copy on another 360.

I think you're right.

Oh, well. I'm glad I didn't spring for the LE.

[Iron Past]

If everyone that sends in their Gamertag gets a code, how does it screw those that send in their email?

[Commissar Rob]

So, wait, what? All you have to do is give them your Xbox Live account name and you get instant DLC goodness?

Humph. Worth a shot...

[Telefrog]

If everyone that sends in their Gamertag gets a code, how does it screw those that send in their email?

It doesn't screw them, but it certainly takes the shine off the folks that paid $10 extra if anyone can get the DLC for free by spoofing the system.

[n3rdXcore]

Does anyone know if you can kill a troll with pure melee? I've tried a few times, and always have to revert to using my pistol to shoot his nerves.

[MachEnergy]

Does anyone know if you can kill a troll with pure melee? I've tried a few times, and always have to revert to using my pistol to shoot his nerves.

There is a splash screen that says you must hit it's nerves when they are exposed. I am guessing there isn't any melee troll killing in this one. I rather enjoyed having to quick-roll behind a troll for maximum damage in the previous game. I wonder why it changed...

[Iron Past]

It doesn't screw them, but it certainly takes the shine off the folks that paid $10 extra if anyone can get the DLC for free by spoofing the system.

Ah, makes sense. I'm not sure if they can detect a LE versus a regular edition, but I do know that all the extra content was on my disc and the card just unlocked it. I'm not sure if it's on all the discs or not.

[Sandman]

I logged in today after not playing for a couple days and got over 60k in real estate money....I love that about this game. I bought the Bowerstone blacksmith and now I get almost 3k every tick and that feels good. Soon I'll own all of the town square and will have to move on to another district. I found the stylist btw. My hero is now bald with a man bib and really huge horns. I should eventually get back to the main quest but I just love being big evil.

[Variable Gear]

There is a splash screen that says you must hit it's nerves when they are exposed. I am guessing there isn't any melee troll killing in this one. I rather enjoyed having to quick-roll behind a troll for maximum damage in the previous game. I wonder why it changed...
God...you just reminded me that the bosses in this game are so unimaginatively designed...

[SPBTooL]

I own nearly everything in both bowerstone, Oakvake and the place with the arena. I make 5k to 7k every 5 min and can't wait to see how much I will have when I turn the game on tonight. I have never messed with the amounts the stores charge so my corruption/purity is mostly neutral.

A quick rant on on what the coop camera needs:

Bare minimum:
Camera pull back distance increased 4 - 5 times,
Objects between the camera and the players or NPCs go transparent,
Host/Player 1 has priority at camera boundary to pull the guest player along and/or move the camera when focus is stuck on host.

Ultimately:
All the above, Bare minimum, for couch co-op and the ability to rotate the camera instead of just a reset,
Online co-op players are not tied together in any way other than being in the same loaded area,

I play couch co-op with my kids and online with friends. My four year old does rather well considering how hard it is for her to walk in a strait line. She does not get to frustrated until the environment and the camera makes it so she can't see where she is at. If I tried playing with my three year old like she wants, I would need to be able to drag her around with the camera boundary. These are things that most games with a shared camera have done for along time and I expected a AAA title to have it. I love playing games with the family. But the current camera would drive the wife crazy.

My 12 year son and I were playing when I jumped off a bridge. The fall was farther away from each other than the camera could handle. It broke the shared view and targeted me as player one but would not allow any movement since the boundary and camera position could not be overridden. We had to fast travel to get unstuck before the beetles killed him. (I was told today that you can warp to player one with the back button)

As for online; There is no reason for the camera to be tied to both players in this game, day and age. The orbs seem do it fine. Why not one guest? If you do have a need to bind the players to a distance, which should be farther apart than it is (see Bare minimum above), each player on each system should have their own camera.

[Telefrog]

As for online; There is no reason for the camera to be tied to both players in this game, day and age. The orbs seem do it fine. Why not one guest? If you do have a need to bind the players to a distance, which should be farther apart than it is (see Bare minimum above), each player on each system should have their own camera.

It's even more heartbreaking when you consider that Molyneux said Lionhead experimented with separate cameras for the online co-op, but felt that it was too insular and didn't encourage working together enough.

[MagGnome]

Ooh, I'd love that. I quess we can just go the route of snapping pics of the TV screen.

I wish this game had some sort of feature wherein we could share images of our heroes. It's obviously feasible technologically. It's a shame that we can't do this, let alone join co-op games as our own character. :(

[inmostlight]

I wish this game had some sort of feature wherein we could share images of our heroes. It's obviously feasible technologically. It's a shame that we can't do this, let alone join co-op games as our own character. :(

I wish more games where you could create and decorate your characters would do that. I'm glad Rock Band 2 finally does, and I guess Spore does, but Fable is another game where I really want to show off my hero to friends. Maybe Fallout 3, too.

[mister slim]

Does anyone know if you can kill a troll with pure melee? I've tried a few times, and always have to revert to using my pistol to shoot his nerves.

Maybe try the overhand flourish?

[MagGnome]

Alright, I'm getting a little pissed off. I married a second guy (a monk, haha) and I bought a house for us. We couldn't have sex in the damn bed! The only option was to sleep. I slept and then we still couldn't have sex! I reloaded and we couldn't have sex!

I gave up and bought a second house, and now when I choose "Have sex" I actually sleep! What the fuck?!?!?!?!? This is ridiculous. This guy is following me around begging for sex, he is becoming unhappy, and these fucking bugs are starting to piss me off. For being in development this long, this kind of shit is simply unacceptable.

[tombofsoldier]

So is there any more tattoo designs in Bloodstone? There's disappointingly few so far. I've got a body one but I'd like a good one for the face that complimented glowing white one that's there.

[MagGnome]

I finally got it to work, after sleeping over a dozen times. I bought condoms, and then went back to the house, only to discover that my husband was nowhere in sight. I ran all over Oakvale before discovering him...behind my house.

We finally got it on, but by that point I hated him. :mad:

[Spigot]

It doesn't screw them, but it certainly takes the shine off the folks that paid $10 extra if anyone can get the DLC for free by spoofing the system.I think that anyone who bought the CE after they dropped the figurine and cards needed their head examined.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

[Sandman]

I finally got it to work, after sleeping over a dozen times. I bought condoms, and then went back to the house, only to discover that my husband was nowhere in sight. I ran all over Oakvale before discovering him...behind my house.

We finally got it on, but by that point I hated him. :mad:

This is when you take him to the temple of shadows.....they'll know what to do with him.

[Spigot]

Alright, I'm getting a little pissed off. I married a second guy (a monk, haha) and I bought a house for us. We couldn't have sex in the damn bed! The only option was to sleep. I slept and then we still couldn't have sex! I reloaded and we couldn't have sex!Well, the monk IS celibate...

[johnperkins21]

We finally got it on, but by that point I hated him. :mad:

Maybe it's like the self-hating jews thing? Or possibly you realized that he's not as awesome (or sexy) as Wally Harris (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42082.html)?

[Wolvie]

Man Gnome, I know what your talking about. I married a woman named Alex(a blond, which is totally not my thing), and we had sex ONCE! Then after that I shower her with gifts, attention, and pick up lines that would make a nun melt in her nether regions... this stuck up shrew wouldn't put out.
I tried and tried and TRIED to get some more, but her vagina was locked up tighter then Guantanamo Bay! Well, long story short, I learned the "come hither" emote, and now she's putting out like a champ. I guess I had to spell "let's have sex god damn it!" to her in crayon. Ditz.

[menage]

I married Hannah the Whore. She had no problem getting it on at all;D

Now I have a family in one town and a fuckbuddy in the other, guess which lives in the bigger house.

This game is fucking fantastic.

[Squidbot]

Does anyone know where the Hall of the Dead is? And also the Wreckager, the legendary weapon that comes with the CE.

[Iron Past]

Does anyone know where the Hall of the Dead is? And also the Wreckager, the legendary weapon that comes with the CE.

Apparently, the Hall of the Dead is in the water off Bloodstone pier, and the Wreckager is the rewerd for making it through. I was just heading there myself, so I can give more details later.

[MagGnome]

Well, the monk IS celibate...


Haha, well this monk was BEGGING for it. We just couldn't get it on.


I've calmed down now, and I still love the game. I just wish there weren't so many bugs and glitches.

Rookridge is fantastic by the way. I spent a ton of time wandering around there and seeing all the sights.

Does anyone know...

Is there anyway to rescue the kid in the Hobbe cave? He was a Hobbe by the time I arrived at his location.

[Squidbot]

Is there anyway to rescue the kid in the Hobbe cave? He was a Hobbe by the time I arrived at his location.

The one where his father meets you outside and tells you his son is in there? I don't believe he can be saved, it's just a way of introducing the Hobbes to you.

[MalReynolds]

Apparently, the Hall of the Dead is in the water off Bloodstone pier, and the Wreckager is the rewerd for making it through. I was just heading there myself, so I can give more details later.



No thats a differrnt cave i think ...

[inmostlight]

No thats a differrnt cave i think ...

The dread pirate cave is around to the side of the docks. But the limited edition treasure is in the water at the end of the middle pier.

It was fun in there, but I was a bit disappointed by the Wreckager weapon. It wasn't as powerful as the master longsword I'd bought much earlier in the game. Might be good for evil characters, though.

[Squidbot]

Sweet, I'll head there tonight. I don't really want the Wreckager as I have a sweet ass Legendary sword from Archon's Knot, I just want to go to the Hall of the Dead.

Has anyone else slept in the bed in Britewood Tower? Awesome quest.

[Rock Bandit]

Got to play co-op last night with mister slim. That camera falls somewhere between atrocity and war crime.

Made it to Bloodstone last night and celebrated by having an orgy with three whores and a gimp. Good times.

[TrackZero]

There is a splash screen that says you must hit it's nerves when they are exposed. I am guessing there isn't any melee troll killing in this one. I rather enjoyed having to quick-roll behind a troll for maximum damage in the previous game. I wonder why it changed...

To screw over strength and will users apparently. It's far easier to smoke a troll when you're skill based. I'm still scratching my head at that design decision, unless we're all missing something.

[Spigot]

I'm trying my damnedest to not use my melee attack at all in this game. I'm doing ok so far. I'm focusing on Skill with a tinch of Will thrown in for good measure. I need to get Time Slow and then I shall be unbeatable!

[menage]

To screw over strength and will users apparently. It's far easier to smoke a troll when you're skill based. I'm still scratching my head at that design decision, unless we're all missing something.

Firing blades made the first Troll go down way easy.

[SilentScreams]

My tactic for trolls is time slow, which I have up to level 5 and my master flintlock pistol. I can run rings around them and just pick off the weak points at will.
I don't think it's possible with melee though, which is a shame.
I'd love to be able to go through the whole game purely with one skill set, but at one point or another, you just have to be a hybrid.

[Spigot]

I'd love to be able to go through the whole game purely with one skill set, but at one point or another, you just have to be a hybrid.Yeah. I figure that at some point in the game I will have to unsheath my sword and wallop someone, but I really want to avoid doing that as much as possible.

[ClannerDelta]

Skill is by far the most favored tree in the game. The gargoyles require it, the trolls require it, it speeds up tough fights considerably, and I have yet to figure out what my "Brutal Styles" actually do. Flourish seems to be alright, but it still gets blocked even though it's not supposed to. That and more and more enemies I fight immediately fire off a fairly damaging knockback as soon as I charge a flourish.

Will has it's uses, but it's mostly just to compliment my Skill, that and killing masses of incredibly weak bugs.

Btw, why the hell can't I switch my Melee/ranged attack to left trigger/right trigger? When will console games let me switch my controls around? :(

[Wolvie]

Shit I still can't figure out how to switch spells on the fly. I know I can do it, because I've accidentally switched spells mid fight.

[Telefrog]

Shit I still can't figure out how to switch spells on the fly. I know I can do it, because I've accidentally switched spells mid fight.

Hold down the right trigger. The spell selector will come up. Use the d-pad to scroll spell selections.

[Philonious]

Since I have yet to figure out how to do the (awesomely cool) spoiler thingy, I am going to have to be deliberately vague... But still spoilery, so don't read thing unless you have finished.

But I was wondering if I am the only one who has finished the game hating another character far more than I hate the main antagonist? The two events in the game that took me by surprise and really pissed me off weren't things that the main anatagonist did to me, but were in fact done by someone else. I think that Lionhead tried really hard to play with our emotions, and that they succeeded reasonably well with their first attempt, but the later ones were fairly predictable. Where they got me was with the really unpredictable/random ones that occur near the end of the game.

Also, am I the only one that sees the ending as being open to either a direct sequel or DLC dealing with the fate of all the 'Heroes' introduced in the game?

[Squidbot]

Since I have yet to figure out how to do the (awesomely cool) spoiler thingy, I am going to have to be deliberately vague... But still spoilery, so don't read thing unless you have finished.

But I was wondering if I am the only one who has finished the game hating another character far more than I hate the main antagonist? The two events in the game that took me by surprise and really pissed me off weren't things that the main anatagonist did to me, but were in fact done by someone else. I think that Lionhead tried really hard to play with our emotions, and that they succeeded reasonably well with their first attempt, but the later ones were fairly predictable. Where they got me was with the really unpredictable/random ones that occur near the end of the game.

Also, am I the only one that sees the ending as being open to either a direct sequel or DLC dealing with the fate of all the 'Heroes' introduced in the game?


Spoiler text is achieved by using square brackets [ & ] with spoiler. So (spoiler)Spoiler text here (/spoiler) but with square brackets.

In answer to your questions, I totally hated Reaver and wanted to kill him.

I think that the ending is open to dealing with Theresa, as her closing line of "The Spire is mine!" seemed pretty nasty. An expansion or DLC or even a sequel dealing with Samarkand (?), the place Garth and reaver went off to, or even the Northern Monks area that Hammer headed to, would be great.

[Wolvie]

Hold down the right trigger. The spell selector will come up. Use the d-pad to scroll spell selections.

And now I feel like a complete idiot.

[Telefrog]

And now I feel like a complete idiot.

Don't knock yourself. It works well once you figure it out, but it's a completely unintuitive process to stumble across.

[Philonious]

In answer to your questions, I totally hated Reaver and wanted to kill him.

Yep that's who I had issue with...

Far more than any of my problems with Lucien. I never felt that attached to the family or dog (saw it coming), but making me ugly and killing Barnum (which was random and underserved) pissed me off.

I think that the ending is open to dealing with Theresa, as her closing line of "The Spire is mine!" seemed pretty nasty. An expansion or DLC or even a sequel dealing with Samarkand (?), the place Garth and reaver went off to, or even the Northern Monks area that Hammer headed to, would be great.

Agreed. They also seem to imply that EVERYTHING, from Lucien to you, were being manipulated by Theresa the whole time... Lucien makes a comment about doing what she told him to or something. She and Reaver seem to have been set up as antagonists for Good Hero, whereas Hammer and Garth seem like they would oppose Evil Hero. Seems a little heavy for DLC... But the turnaround on Fable is too long for direct sequels: I didn't get half of the references to the first game.

Sorry for the horrible spoiler filled post.

[Telefrog]

Far more than any of my problems with Lucien. I never felt that attached to the family or dog (saw it coming), but making me ugly and killing Barnum (which was random and underserved) pissed me off.

If you didn't get attached to the dog, then you're a horrible human being and you're possibly dead inside.

:D

[Goronmon]

It's way too easy to get divorced in this game. My wife is happy when I leave to do the Crucible stuff, and by the time I finish, she divorces me before I can quick travel back. It's bullshit.

[National Kato]

It's way too easy to get divorced in this game. My wife is happy when I leave to do the Crucible stuff, and by the time I finish, she divorces me before I can quick travel back. It's bullshit.

That happened to me: my first wife was receiving a 15 gold per day allowance (she only wanted 5 per day) and I had just left the village after sexing her up. I then go to Bowerstone to work hard at the anvil to buy a new house in the big city. Buy the house, fast travel back to the gypsy village and she's divorcing me.

This is why I turned my character evil.

[n3rdXcore]

That happened to me: my first wife was receiving a 15 gold per day allowance (she only wanted 5 per day)

How do you find out how much gold your family wants each day? I just sort of guessed for mine.

[astranoir]

How do you find out how much gold your family wants each day? I just sort of guessed for mine.

When you go into the quest sub-menu and click on "family," it should include how much they want in their little chart.

[National Kato]

How do you find out how much gold your family wants each day? I just sort of guessed for mine.

It tells you on the 'Family' screen (in your Quests tab).

[johnperkins21]

It's way too easy to get divorced in this game. My wife is happy when I leave to do the Crucible stuff, and by the time I finish, she divorces me before I can quick travel back. It's bullshit.

I sexed up my wife, then turned and asked for more. She gave me some excuse about having a headache or something right as some other tramp walked up. So I asked that chick to sex me up a little and my wife got all pissed off and ran to the bar. Being an honorable guy, I sexed up the tramp like I said I would (gave my baby some chocolate to shut her up for a few minutes).

After I was done, I felt a little guilty so I killed the tramp and left her on the floor of my bedroom, and headed off to the bar to find my wife and tell her to get back to the house and clean that crap up. She was a little miffed, and wouldn't take a present from me until I danced a little jig.

Not sure what else I can do to this chick that would get her to divorce me. I mean, she was barely pissed when I found her at the bar. We'll see what happens when she finds the dead skank in our bedroom though. Maybe that'll push her over the edge?

[Squidbot]

I've noticed some great diversity in NPC speech. My fat guy got called tubby earlier, while my Will using, slim female character got called a skinny witch. Brilliant.

[ClannerDelta]

It's way too easy to get divorced in this game. My wife is happy when I leave to do the Crucible stuff, and by the time I finish, she divorces me before I can quick travel back. It's bullshit.

Well, I've got 5(6 if you count the dead one) wives and I had two bunking in the same zone. Not gonna say specifics for spoilers sake. So I come back to visit one of them and notice them sitting there yelling at each-other with both my children (one from each mother) standing right next to them.

I thought "Well, I'm getting divorced..." except, they didn't. I walked up to both, gave them the "Come back to my place" expression and that solved the problem. All three of us had a good time. They both took a 15 something hate hit then a 30 something love hit. Then the one went back to her house and they are both perfectly happy.

That's why you marry a whore and a farmer. One's up for anything and the other one doesn't want to leave that giant house you bought her. :p

[Shandor]

Hold down the right trigger. The spell selector will come up. Use the d-pad to scroll spell selections.

I hate that the right trigger is spell selection and absorbing orbs. Sometimes I'll want to try to grab orbs during a fight and I'll accidentaly mess up my spell config when I have to let go and start hitting other buttons.

[Shandor]

Far more than any of my problems with Lucien. I never felt that attached to the family or dog (saw it coming), but making me ugly and killing Barnum (which was random and underserved) pissed me off.

Ugh, yeah. I was pissed that your character (especially if played good) just stood there and had no reaction to him killing Barnum. I was actually pissed when that happened.

Yay! First spoiler tag! :)

[MagGnome]

EternalGamer - I forgot to mention yesterday that I found a gay aristocrat for you. He's in the Fairfax gardens, but I must warn you that he is both snobby and unattractive. ;)

[Klunka]

OK, I'm officially fucking DONE with this game. I logged into a friends game to try and help him start out. I joined before the quest where you get the ability to use will at the very beginning. I couldn't use any of my abilities, logged back into my game and found all my abilities and gold were gone. I'm still 60% of the way through the story but with a brand new character.

Completely fucking ridiculous

[Iron Past]

OK, I'm officially fucking DONE with this game. I logged into a friends game to try and help him start out. I joined before the quest where you get the ability to use will at the very beginning. I couldn't use any of my abilities, logged back into my game and found all my abilities and gold were gone. I'm still 60% of the way through the story but with a brand new character.

Completely fucking ridiculous

...but that's one of the known bugs with the game. I'm not saying you're wrong to be mad, but I think there was even a front page news post about it.

On the other hand, Monty Python and the Holy Grail achievement references FTW.

[ClannerDelta]

Gender Bender potion. My how I wish I had not used it. The female avatars are fucking horrific. They're like Hammer! I'm all for big women being represented, but the huge body + tiny head combination is terrible.

[mister slim]

...but that's one of the known bugs with the game. I'm not saying you're wrong to be mad, but I think there was even a front page news post about it.

Ugh. I hate the 'known bugs' defense.

[inmostlight]

Gender Bender potion. My how I wish I had not used it. The female avatars are fucking horrific. They're like Hammer! I'm all for big women being represented, but the huge body + tiny head combination is terrible.

Yeah, I wish that my maxxed out Skill attributes had more of an effect than my level 3 Strength attributes.

Still, my character also looked a whole lot better until I chose to be good before the shadow judges and wound up fugly.

[Primus]

I fell in love with Becky the Whore in Bloodstone. She loved me despite my horrendous beer gut, filthy clothes, and all around corrupt and evil appearance. Unfortunately our relationship was ill-fated, as I accidently shot her during a murderous rampage inspired by seeing some asshat kick my dog. It wasn't meant to be I guess.

[Widgetcraft]

OK, I'm officially fucking DONE with this game. I logged into a friends game to try and help him start out. I joined before the quest where you get the ability to use will at the very beginning. I couldn't use any of my abilities, logged back into my game and found all my abilities and gold were gone. I'm still 60% of the way through the story but with a brand new character.

Completely fucking ridiculous

Use the infinite XP glitch to get back to where you were.

[Iron Past]

Ugh. I hate the 'known bugs' defense.

I'm not defending the game, I'm saying you should be careful playing a game with known bugs.

[Philonious]

Just for interest's sake, did anyone marry... Lady Grey? Because technically, according to my playthrough of the original Fable, she is my great-, great-, great- grandmother. Which is kind of creepy, though genetically irrelevant seeing as she is such a distant relative. Can she get knocked up? Do you have a creepy baby? Also, did anyone NOT have a wife/husband and kids or multiple wives/husbands? Does Lucien kill them all?

Are there any other 'special' wives?

[ClannerDelta]

Just for interest's sake, did anyone marry...
Lucien kills them all, all 5 of my wives and 8 of my children died :(

Still, my character also looked a whole lot better until

The thing is, I had my character looking like Elvis Presley had a love child with Dog(g?) the bounty hunter. I had full dreads, mutton chops, and a deliciously 70's porno mustache.

Black+blue crop top jacket (woo cross dressing), Explorers shirt/boots, checkered pants, Eye patch, and black pauper gloves.

I was Mongrel the Bounty Hunter, with my trusty side-kick Git. I rocked faces with my flintlock pistol and Katana. None could stand before me. The Shadow Judges just made this set up look even more badass.

Then... well, I was the Dutchess of Butch with a horrific pin head mutation.

[Disgustipated]

Just for interest's sake, did anyone marry... Lady Grey? Because technically, according to my playthrough of the original Fable, she is my great-, great-, great- grandmother. Which is kind of creepy, though genetically irrelevant seeing as she is such a distant relative. Can she get knocked up? Do you have a creepy baby? Also, did anyone NOT have a wife/husband and kids or multiple wives/husbands? Does Lucien kill them all?

Are there any other 'special' wives?

Wait, how do you marry her? Details, details!

[Philonious]

Wait, how do you marry her? Details, details!

It's part of a late game quest...

Once you bring her back to life for the gravedigger she is already under a love spell and instantly falls for you... I assume that if you don't walk away that the love would be permanent and that you could marry her. I was a goody two shoes, so I don't know for sure.

Feel free to let me know if I am wrong about this.

[Elrik Murder]

Man Gnome, I know what your talking about. I married a woman named Alex(a blond, which is totally not my thing), and we had sex ONCE! Then after that I shower her with gifts, attention, and pick up lines that would make a nun melt in her nether regions... this stuck up shrew wouldn't put out.
I tried and tried and TRIED to get some more, but her vagina was locked up tighter then Guantanamo Bay! Well, long story short, I learned the "come hither" emote, and now she's putting out like a champ. I guess I had to spell "let's have sex god damn it!" to her in crayon. Ditz.

I fell in love with Becky the Whore in Bloodstone. She loved me despite my horrendous beer gut, filthy clothes, and all around corrupt and evil appearance. Unfortunately our relationship was ill-fated, as I accidently shot her during a murderous rampage inspired by seeing some asshat kick my dog. It wasn't meant to be I guess.

I'd like to thank you gentlemen. You've definitely boosted my spirits and made me realize I'm not playing enough Fable. Stupid real life quest interfering with that of my hero's.

Can't wait to turn it on. I haven't played since Saturday and I own four stores in Bowerstone including the blacksmith. I marked up the prices to 20% so I know my purity is getting a hit as well. Shame! :D Hope the prostitute I accidentally proposed to hasn't ended our engagement. We were destined to be betrothed.

[Goronmon]

=Can't wait to turn it on. I haven't played since Saturday and I own four stores in Bowerstone including the blacksmith. I marked up the prices to 20% so I know my purity is getting a hit as well. Shame! :D Hope the prostitute I accidentally proposed to hasn't ended our engagement. We were destined to be betrothed.I've actually wanted to see whether the value of the building affects how Corruption/Purity are gained be increasing/reducing the rent. I know by buying a couple cheap shops and setting their prices at -40% you pretty much rocket to super pure in no time. So I wonder if buying some cheap shops, setting them at reduce, and then buying an expensive shop and setting it for increase prices, whether they will cancel out or not.

[Iron Past]

Well, shit.

I had every intention of marrying Lady Grey, but after she fell in love with me, I had the Wreckager equiped and she got scared and ran away. Now I can't find the bitch.

[Telefrog]

Well, shit.

I had every intention of marrying Lady Grey, but after she fell in love with me, I had the Wreckager equiped and she got scared and ran away. Now I can't find the bitch.

It is your duty to kill everyone you see now. Make the world pay.

[Iron Past]

Also, am I the only one that sees the ending as being open to either a direct sequel or DLC dealing with the fate of all the 'Heroes' introduced in the game?

Considering the main menu has an option for "Downloaded Content," I'd say it's a safe bet.

It is your duty to kill everyone you see now. Make the world pay.

Oh, they will.

[Xionicist]

Also, did anyone NOT have a wife/husband and kids or multiple wives/husbands? Does Lucien kill them all?

I had both a wife and a husband, plus a child, and Lucien killed them all.

[Xionicist]

Since I have yet to figure out how to do the (awesomely cool) spoiler thingy, I am going to have to be deliberately vague... But still spoilery, so don't read thing unless you have finished.

But I was wondering if I am the only one who has finished the game hating another character far more than I hate the main antagonist? The two events in the game that took me by surprise and really pissed me off weren't things that the main anatagonist did to me, but were in fact done by someone else. I think that Lionhead tried really hard to play with our emotions, and that they succeeded reasonably well with their first attempt, but the later ones were fairly predictable. Where they got me was with the really unpredictable/random ones that occur near the end of the game.

Also, am I the only one that sees the ending as being open to either a direct sequel or DLC dealing with the fate of all the 'Heroes' introduced in the game?

I wanted to nail that bastard as soon as he started killing innocents (yes, I'm playing a good/pure character). I still want to kill him. I am praying that Lionhead gives me the opportunity. In fact, it's the only thing that I want to do with the remainder of the game - everything else has lost its savor. Lucien was anti-climactic. But that scumbag... I want to nail the little bitch.

[Stoke]

I like Reaver. Hammer on the other hand I wanted to kill. I still want to kill her actually. In fact I'd be willing to pay for a piece of DLC that lets me kill her.

I found it annoying how after she left the monastery she bashed religion every other line of dialog. Seriously, I get it. You feel like it's a waste of time and you're mad your dad's dead. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I wanted to high five Garth though when he told her off about it.

[Widgetcraft]

I like Reaver. Hammer on the other hand I wanted to kill. I still want to kill her actually. In fact I'd be willing to pay for a piece of DLC that lets me kill her.

I found it annoying how after she left the monastery she bashed religion every other line of dialog. Seriously, I get it. You feel like it's a waste of time and you're mad your dad's dead. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I wanted to high five Garth though when he told her off about it.

I wasn't too pissed at Reaver after he sucked my life out of me, but when he killed Barnum, I turned the safety off and let loose. Fucking invincible quest NPCs... I would have given up on the main quest if it meant I could kill that bastard.

[Stoke]

I wasn't too pissed at Reaver after he sucked my life out of me, but when he killed Barnum, I turned the safety off and let loose. Fucking invincible quest NPCs... I would have given up on the main quest if it meant I could kill that bastard.

Ah, is that why everyone else hates him? I chose to have them suck the woman's life out. Even though I was playing a good character. Sacrificing one for the good of the many and all that, so I had forgotten he tried to trick you.

Plus I could totally see myself acting like he does, minus the murder of course.

[Jaded Fool]

I did end up marrying Lady Gray. We moved into Reavers house and had two kids. She loves me, but she never gives me presents :( And though I'm a completely evil bastard, I can't bring myself to cheat on her..

As for the trolls, I found it took too much time to kill them with my gun. As soon as they show tendrils, I hit a level 4 slow time and then a level 5 fire-blast-thing. Two hits and they're down!

Still, can't get enough of this game. Can't be bothered with the keys and gargoyles, I'm having too much fun getting the world to hate me :D

[ClannerDelta]

As for the trolls, I found it took too much time to kill them with my gun. As soon as they show tendrils, I hit a level 4 slow time and then a level 5 fire-blast-thing. Two hits and they're down!

The hell kind of gun are you using? I hip shot trolls to death, with a dinky Pistol no less. Single shot takes out tendrils. A couple shots for banshees too.

[Jaded Fool]

The hell kind of gun are you using? I hip shot trolls to death, with a dinky Pistol no less. Single shot takes out tendrils. A couple shots for banshees too.

Can't remember off the top of my head, some sort of master rifle. I have my Skill and Will maxed. No idea if it's because I used Will throughout the game but my fire spell will kill most anything in one hit, while my gun seems weak as piss.

Still, the technique got me 8/8 in the crucible, so I'm not complaining :D

[ClannerDelta]

Can't remember off the top of my head, some sort of master rifle. I have my Skill and Will maxed. No idea if it's because I used Will throughout the game but my fire spell will kill most anything in one hit, while my gun seems weak as piss.

Still, the technique got me 8/8 in the crucible, so I'm not complaining :D

I found Turret/Clockwork rifles to be completely useless. Flintlock is just better.

I'm also not knocking your Will approach. Just wondering why it took more than a single hit to kill a tendril is all.

[Wolvie]

I'd like to thank you gentlemen. You've definitely boosted my spirits and made me realize I'm not playing enough Fable. Stupid real life quest interfering with that of my hero's.

Can't wait to turn it on. I haven't played since Saturday and I own four stores in Bowerstone including the blacksmith. I marked up the prices to 20% so I know my purity is getting a hit as well. Shame! :D Hope the prostitute I accidentally proposed to hasn't ended our engagement. We were destined to be betrothed.

You are welcome good sir!

[Iron Past]

I found Turret/Clockwork rifles to be completely useless. Flintlock is just better.

I'm also not knocking your Will approach. Just wondering why it took more than a single hit to kill a tendril is all.

It took me a while, but I found out that you don't get the rapid fire benefit from turrent/clockwork firearms unless you go into aim mode. My turret pistol can rock your world.

[Wilkz07]

Pretty solid game so far until I decided i was done playing for the night and dropped to the dashboard on the loading screens. When I hit Yes to quit to dashboard in the background it was saving... now save game won't load and it just freezes. damn 1 save slot games.

don't think i'll be coming back to this one for awhile. I was just about to recruit the 3rd hero too.

[Squidbot]

Has anyone else done the quest to find a date for Giles' son? Hilarious.

[Commissar Rob]

Is there a way to add furniture to a house, or do you just need a house that already has the type you want to add? I'm well on my way to becoming a virtual Johan (two kids thus far) and I want to give the little guys a bed...but I can't add a child's bed to my house in Oakfield. Do I just need to buy a bigger house, or am I missing a "add furniture" button?

[Widgetcraft]

Is there a way to add furniture to a house, or do you just need a house that already has the type you want to add? I'm well on my way to becoming a virtual Johan (two kids thus far) and I want to give the little guys a bed...but I can't add a child's bed to my house in Oakfield. Do I just need to buy a bigger house, or am I missing a "add furniture" button?

Buy furniture at a furniture store, and then enter redecorate mode at the house you want to put it in.

[Commissar Rob]

Buy furniture at a furniture store, and then enter redecorate mode at the house you want to put it in.
I've got two kids beds sitting in my inventory, but I can't place them in the house even in redecorate mode...

I'm thinking I might have to buy a bigger boat... :D

[Widgetcraft]

I found Turret/Clockwork rifles to be completely useless. Flintlock is just better.

I'm also not knocking your Will approach. Just wondering why it took more than a single hit to kill a tendril is all.

I can fire off six shots, and reload, with a clockwork in the time it takes to fire one shot and reload with a flintlock. There is a reason that clockwork guns are the most expensive.

[Rakael]

I can fire off six shots, and reload, with a clockwork in the time it takes to fire one shot and reload with a flintlock. There is a reason that clockwork guns are the most expensive.

I was using the hell out of clockwork guns (and guns in general after the first crossbow), then decided to splurge on a master repeater crossbow. Holy hell I love this thing! It fires fast, reloads quick enough, and knocks the piss out of enemies.

[ClannerDelta]

I can fire off six shots, and reload, with a clockwork in the time it takes to fire one shot and reload with a flintlock. There is a reason that clockwork guns are the most expensive.

Well, if you want to mash Y 5-6 times for the same damage I get for a single button press, you're more than welcome to. :D

[ADDGirl]

I'm not reading the whole thread because I haven't played through it yet, but add me to your friends so that I can see your orbs floating around my town and possibly play with you.

[Goronmon]

Master Repeater Crossbow with the Ghoul enchant. Pretty awesome and has almost removed any need for potions except for emergencies.

[astranoir]

Master Repeater Crossbow with the Ghoul enchant. Pretty awesome and has almost removed any need for potions except for emergencies.

This is exactly what I have done. I love it :D

[Wolvie]

Is there a way to add furniture to a house, or do you just need a house that already has the type you want to add? I'm well on my way to becoming a virtual Johan (two kids thus far) and I want to give the little guys a bed...but I can't add a child's bed to my house in Oakfield. Do I just need to buy a bigger house, or am I missing a "add furniture" button?

The thing that sucks is that you need pre existing furniture to replace with the nicer furniture you buy. Yes, that's right, you can only upgrade what you already have.

Need more beds for the little ones? Buy a house that house that has more beds in it.

[evilgoodwin]

Personally, from what I've experienced, do NOT move your family into the Homestead. It's very bugged, and my new family is nicer living in town.

[ClannerDelta]

Personally, from what I've experienced, do NOT move your family into the Homestead. It's very bugged, and my new family is nicer living in town.

It worked just fine for several of my wives. The trick it to take them to it before hand and listen to their responses. Some will like it, some wont. Also check to make sure they don't "Dislike" the area.

About the only problem I had is that the child/wife spawn on top of each other. Making targeting a problem.

[menage]

I can't find my 1st wife.

Luckily I have another.