Marilyn Manson going back to "Antichrist Superstar" sound for next album [Archive]

Sandman

10-19-2008, 05:48 PM

Bloody-Disgusting.com spoke to Marilyn Manson at the Scream Awards last night (Saturday, October 18) in Hollywood, California. Manson revealed that he is "pretty much finished" with his next album that he wrote solely with bassist Twiggy Ramirez, who reunited with Manson back in January. Guitarist Wes Borland (BLACK LIGHT BURNS, LIMP BIZKIT), who joined Marilyn Manson in August, will "just be touring with the band." According to the singer, the sound of the new album "will be more like [1996's] 'Antichrist Superstar'." The CD is not expected to drop until early 2009.

Ramirez toured with Manson earlier this year for the first time since 2002. The two co-wrote "Antichrist Superstar", "Mechanical Animals" and "Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death)" together and Manson told The Salt Lake Tribune this past spring that he couldn't be happier about Ramirez returning.

"I missed having my best friend," Manson said. "We were like brothers."source (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=107187)

This is great news. I liked Antichrist Superstar alot more than I have his recent albums. In fact the last album he did that I really liked was Holy Wood.

Mastergeo7

10-19-2008, 05:51 PM

Without Trent Reznor there can't be another Antichrist Superstar...

However, let's see what does he does now.

pomeroy

10-19-2008, 07:03 PM

Thank fucking Christ. "Eat Me, Drink Me" was so bad.

Then again, maybe I'm just over Manson. I'm not nearly as angry as I was when he was a staple in my CD player.

KamaItachi

10-19-2008, 07:13 PM

The only one I really feel like revisiting at this stage is Mechanical Animals, but that's probably because I"m more of a Bowie fan than a Manson fan.

pseudopseudo

10-19-2008, 07:35 PM

This is definitely good news. While Antichrist Superstar was no Portrait of an American Family, it's a step in the right direction for sure.

Radioguy9698

10-19-2008, 09:58 PM

LongStepMantis

10-20-2008, 03:46 PM

is manson still relevent anymore? where is the shock value?

granted he had some great albums back in the day, he hit his peak after Antichrist superstar, once his other Cd's starting selling less and less copies and his output failed to reach the bar set by Antichrist, he should have bowed out while he had the chance.

while i'm excited to hear the new CD, i don't have great expectations for it.

Antichrist Superstar was the only album of his I ever bought. The rest of them had some good songs here and there, but he always came off as a "Look at me! I dress up scary!" gimmick.

I can still listen to Beautiful People and feel like smashing twenty or thirty people in the face. That means it works, for me at least. ;)

violent

10-20-2008, 03:52 PM

I'm a big Manson fan and I'll be the first to admit that it's been pretty downhill since Antichrist although Holywood and Mechanical Animals were pretty good. If there is one thing I've been saying throughout the years is that he'll never go back to his Antichrist days, sadly. Though this is a conscious choice for him and he's got Twiggy back which is a real good sign, he's attempting to fill shoes that simply aren't attainable anymore. That album should be left alone and he should simply be claiming that all this cinematographic shit is going out the door and the time for lingerie and bible burnings are coming.

EDIT: Wes fucking Borland? Jesus.

muddi900

10-20-2008, 04:05 PM

I think at this point, Alice Cooper himself is more relevant. The only thing Manson seems to be good at is dating hot chicks and turning them ugly.

pomeroy

10-20-2008, 04:26 PM

EDIT: Wes fucking Borland? Jesus.

Somehow I missed that.
:(

Sandman

10-21-2008, 01:15 AM

Somehow I missed that.
:(

Eh, the guy has to work and his new band doesn't seem to be doing much. He was probably the best part of Limp Bizkit.

Jeffool

10-21-2008, 01:25 AM

I liked that 'trilogy' of Manson's just fine. I have Portrait of an American family too. That said, Wes Boreland seemed like the only member of Limp Bizkit that wasn't a complete ass, so, win-win.

Slack3r78

10-21-2008, 06:25 AM

EDIT: Wes fucking Borland? Jesus.
Reznor had tried pretty hard to recruit him for NIN's live band a few years back, but he was more interested in doing his own material at the time.

Mr. Murphy

10-21-2008, 06:42 AM

EDIT: Wes fucking Borland? Jesus.

I thought the same thing a few years back, but Borland has done like, six bands since he left Bizkit, and they were all pretty much darker, harder, industrial-prog-metal. I've always hated Limp Bizkit, but Wes Borland is a talented motherfucker, he's played with a ton of artists I like (guys from APC, Richard Patrick, Trent Reznor, now Manson, and even Al Jourgensen).
He's worth looking into.

I always knew Twiggy (wasn't he going by his real name when he was in NIN and APC?) was the talent in Manson, I'm eager to hear what kind of stuff he'll be writing now. Twiggy wrote almost all of the music for Antichrist, and Manson pretty much just screamed his old poetry over it. Reznor polished the whole thing into an awesome fucking album.

If you go through the liner notes and look at who did what, it's pretty clearly laid out that way.

PathMaster

10-21-2008, 12:25 PM

Good news I think. I will of course wait-and-see.

I remember seeing them around 1996, in Troy, NY. Was a so so show, mostly due to power issues.

Dave

10-21-2008, 06:13 PM

Without Trent Reznor there can't be another Antichrist Superstar...

However, let's see what does he does now.

Oh snap! I was going to reply to this post with something similar, but you beat me to it.

It's good news, but without Reznor I don't think it'll be quite as outstanding from one end to another.

WHEN YOU ARE SUFFERING, KNOW THAT I HAVE BETRAYED YOU... (oooo scaaaary!!!)

I still love that album. :D

violent

10-21-2008, 06:22 PM

Hey, I like that line.

Dave

10-21-2008, 06:38 PM

Hey, I like that line.

Oh me too, bro. That whole album is the king shit... and I mean that in a good way.

violent

10-21-2008, 06:40 PM

Oh me too, bro. That whole album is the king shit... and I mean that in a good way.

Kinderfeld baby. I was at Twiggy's return show and I single handedly started the auditorium-wide chants of love to that dude. Anything closer to the Antichrist days is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

GunnyMo

10-21-2008, 06:42 PM

Oh, cool! Antichrist is by far his best and the sound was amazing. This should be a great album.

darkbase

10-21-2008, 06:44 PM

I really liked his song on the Max Payne movie, it was oddly perfect for the tone, even if the movie did blow chunks ;_;.

Edit: damn smiley face, I'm supposed to be crying!

violent

10-21-2008, 06:47 PM

I really liked his song on the Max Payne movie, it was oddly perfect for the tone (even if the movie did blow chunks ;_;).

I think that was that Vampire song from one of the later albums. The only song from his later albums I give a shit about is the title track:

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pomeroy

10-21-2008, 07:03 PM

I wonder if this will have the track Ne-Yo is working on with him... (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/marc_malkin/b33058_ne-yo_team_up_withmarilyn_manson_wtf.html)

Mr. Murphy

10-22-2008, 05:26 AM

Kinderfeld baby. I was at Twiggy's return show and I single handedly started the auditorium-wide chants of love to that dude. Anything closer to the Antichrist days is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

When I saw Nails and he was in the band, I fought my way to the front bar (I'm a big dude, 6'4") and just threw the horns directly at him for the whole show. I was mesmerized, staring at his fingerwork, just being so close to the dude. I swear that once he saw that I was watching him more than Trent, he went from looking kindof bored to putting more effort into it. (I'm a huge Trent Reznor fan too, but I've seen NIN a good five or six times, and that was the first time I saw them with Twiggy on bass). Twiggy was the reason I became a bassist, the bass riffs on all the Antichrist Superstar songs were the first I ever learned. I love his style - it's awesome without being impossible to play.

My bandmate and I still laugh about how Twiggy says the first time he ever got a boner was the first time he tried on his moms' pantyhose.

Sammael

10-27-2008, 01:09 PM

Good news I think. I will of course wait-and-see.

I remember seeing them around 1996, in Troy, NY. Was a so so show, mostly due to power issues.

Where was that? Was it the Penny-Arcade? I think I know the place you are talking about...

Squidbot

10-28-2008, 04:55 AM

Oh man, is this plagiarist still working?

pseudopseudo

10-28-2008, 01:03 PM

Oh man, is this plagiarist still working?

Plagiarist...? Do tell.

violent

10-28-2008, 01:04 PM

Plagiarist...? Do tell.

I'm assuming he's referring to all the covers that he's done.

pseudopseudo

10-28-2008, 01:05 PM

I'm assuming he's referring to all the covers that he's done.

That's what I figured at first too, but I was just wondering if he knew something I didn't.

pomeroy

10-28-2008, 01:08 PM

That's what I figured at first too, but I was just wondering if he knew something I didn't.

He's being clever, see. :rolleyes:

violent

10-28-2008, 01:09 PM

That's what I figured at first too, but I was just wondering if he knew something I didn't.

Not that I'm aware of. Labeling him as a rip-off is too old now. He's done enough on his own to leave that title behind. Now if they wanted to criticize his works, that'd be a different story.

Voodoo

10-28-2008, 01:13 PM

I still remember having a conversation with Brian about God and existence at a bowling alley in Margate.

Of all the songs that MM has put out publicly, this one is my favorite.

Everlasting Cocksucker
L0Luo3Cve0E

Squidbot

10-28-2008, 01:29 PM

Sandman

10-28-2008, 01:34 PM

You should stay far away from rap music if something like that turns you off an artist.

pseudopseudo

10-28-2008, 01:35 PM

Ok...

You want about 2.19 in
gdsSA6_H4iI

And at about 1.24
oJ-yInSwCYA

There's other stuff but I really can't be arsed posting it. He also stole a lot of his visual styles from Nik Fiend of Alien Sex Fiend.
Never liked him, never will. When he's not being a plagiarist he's simply very derivative of far better musicians that went before him.

You realize that the "Be Aggressive" cheer predates both those songs, right? If anything, at least Manson had an original spin on it, where the Faith No More song just straight up rips it off.

violent

10-28-2008, 01:36 PM

You should stay far away from rap music if something like that turns you off an artist.

Well said.

pomeroy

10-28-2008, 03:06 PM

You realize that the "Be Aggressive" cheer predates both those songs, right? If anything, at least Manson had an original spin on it, where the Faith No More song just straight up rips it off.

Yeah, that's just about what I was going to post. I'm pretty sure he didn't rip off fucking Faith No More with a football cheer that's been around for decades.

skittles15

11-04-2008, 12:08 AM

Ok...

You want about 2.19 in
gdsSA6_H4iI

Hey, thats my video. amidoinitrite?

and yes, i registered just to say that.

Jeffool

11-04-2008, 12:16 AM

Be! Aggressive! B-E Aggressive!
Better than both (http://www.superdeluxe.com/sd/contentDetail.do?id=D81F2344BF5AC7BBA696F269B9D88D 70629D940E51E3A2C6).

Scaryfaced

11-04-2008, 12:39 AM

Yeah, that's just about what I was going to post. I'm pretty sure he didn't rip off fucking Faith No More with a football cheer that's been around for decades.

I'm a rediculously big Faith No More fan and enjoy their song far more than Marilyn Manson's version, but it's silly to say he ripped it off. He just made it ugly and somehow made the cheerleader voices even more annoying.
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