Kirk Cameron's Darwin Day Celebration

[Zero]

Spreading the love of Jesus through deception. (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/11/is-kirk-cameron-the-reallife-dr-horrible.html)


As some of you know, Cameron recently issued this dispatch from his video blog lair announcing his plot to subvert “Darwin Day,” a event marking the 150th anniversary of the publishing of Charles Darwin’s “Origin of Species.”

The former “Growing Pains” star-turned-evangelical Christian will send Darwin Day into chaos by passing out 50,000 copies of Darwin’s book to students at universities around the country. Only Cameron’s special copies will be altered to include the teachings of the gospel instead of just evolution. Muah-ha-ha-ha! Minds will be blown! The system will fall!

Blog video in link.

[Suave Peanut]

Really, Kirk Cameron?

[roboninja]

Really, Kirk Cameron?

You've never heard of his "crusade" before? He is teamed with Ben Stein to make the most super awesome force for change ever seen. Or two pricks that are trying to tell others what to think by openly lying to and deceiving them. Either or.

[Suave Peanut]

You've never heard of his "crusade" before? He is teamed with Ben Stein to make the most super awesome force for change ever seen. Or two pricks that are trying to tell others what to think by openly lying to and deceiving them. Either or.
Oh I'm aware of him, what I was saying is more like "Really? This is your plan?"

Student: "Hey, free Darwin book!"
Kirk: "Teehee, just you wait! TEEHEE!"

On the whole, I don't have a problem with him. He can tell anybody he wants to about his faith, but what seems weird that he has to trick people into it like this. Be straightforward about it and people might take you seriously.

[Cactaur]

http://overcompensating.com/comics/20070615.png

[roboninja]

Awesome strip, Cactaur. :D

[Kelegacy]

I believe the earth is flat.

You cannot tell me otherwise. No matter what, I will not believe it.

[TheEpicOfTyler]

Did he alter the whole thing or just write a horrible foreword? I originally heard it was the latter, in which case people should gather them up, tear out the foreword, and pass them out as planned.

[DoctorFinger]

Did he alter the whole thing or just write a horrible foreword? I originally heard it was the latter, in which case people should gather them up, tear out the foreword, and pass them out as planned.He (and by 'he' I mean the group he's working with) took out some of the most important chapters and inserted some creationist stuff into the book.

[Kelegacy]

People should hand out bibles at church groups but replace Genesis with chapters from Origin of Species.

[Lint of Death]

He (and by 'he' I mean the group he's working with) took out some of the most important chapters and inserted some creationist stuff into the book.

Oh, they took out stuff, too? I know from the linked video that they put in a ridiculous 50-page forward.

[Cyndair]

He (and by 'he' I mean the group he's working with) took out some of the most important chapters and inserted some creationist stuff into the book.

Source? The linked video from Kirk's blog made it sound like they were just adding the foreword and leaving the rest of the book intact.

[DoctorFinger]

Source? The linked video from Kirk's blog made it sound like they were just adding the foreword and leaving the rest of the book intact.I can't find the link, but I remember the article said that a couple chapters dealing with geographic specialism - the reason creatures separated by vast stretches of ocean evolve differently - were omitted. In fact I think the amount of material removed is the same as the 50 pages added, since the page counts are the same.

And sure, Kirk isn't going to mention the omissions, because that would kill his point.

[txshurricane]

Is it legal to abridge something like that?

[Kelegacy]

Is it legal to abridge something like that?

That's a good point. I don't know who holds the copyright for Darwin's book. Wonder if they'd take action.

[Hawkzombie]

Honestly, he'd have a better and more significant impact by simply handing out the Bible. Seriously. Give people choices, not deceive them. Sharing the word of God isn't about tricking people, its about being direct with your faith and being upfront about your intentions.

I'm Non-Denom Christian and I'm not the BEST Christian you'll find, but I've got my faith and my beliefs. And this, to me, is just underhanded and wrong. If anything, he's going to accomplish the opposite of what he set out to do.

[txshurricane]

I agree, Hawk. I think this was a cutesie idea that didn't turn out so cutesie.

[Zero]

Is it legal to abridge something like that?

I imagine at this point that it would be public domain.

[Hawkzombie]

I will say, if it was someone subverting it for purely humor reasons, we'd probably all be chuckling amongst ourselves, instead of chastising someone for trying to do something religious.

[txshurricane]

I imagine at this point that it would be public domain.
I thought about that, and tried to find out, but I couldn't find any reference stating that. The only thing I could find is that the book is still for sale at Amazon and other usual outlets, leading me to believe that it may not be public domain.

[Xerxes]

Where did Kirk Cameron get money to do 50,000 copies at kinkos?

[Generation ABXY]

I thought about that, and tried to find out, but I couldn't find any reference stating that. The only thing I could find is that the book is still for sale at Amazon and other usual outlets, leading me to believe that it may not be public domain.

At 150 years old, yes, On the Origin of Species is in the public domain.

[Spectre-7]

At 150 years old, yes, On the Origin of Species is in the public domain.

This. On the Origin of Species is most definitely in the public domain. If you'd like to take a peek at a copy, try Project Gutenberg. (http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/d#a485)

And yeah, you can totally buy and sell copies of works that are in the public domain. Some common examples include everything ever written by H.G Wells, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, or William Shakespeare, the King James Bible, and all of the Latin and Greek classics you read in high school. All of them are totally in the public domain, and can still be found in every book store in the country.

[Generation ABXY]

And yeah, you can totally buy and sell copies of works that are in the public domain. Some common examples include everything ever written by H.G Wells, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, or William Shakespeare, the King James Bible, and all of the Latin and Greek classics you read in high school. All of them are totally in the public domain, and can still be found in every book store in the country.

Yeah, I didn't quite understand that part either. If you couldn't publish public domain works, there'd have been a deplorable lack of the classics before the 'ol net really took off.

[Sl1pstream]

I believe the earth is flat.

You cannot tell me otherwise. No matter what, I will not believe it.

What if I give you this slightly altered version of the bible to read?


Sooooo, isn't the Bible public domain?

I will say, if it was someone subverting it for purely humor reasons, we'd probably all be chuckling amongst ourselves, instead of chastising someone for trying to do something religious.

You're serious aren't you?

Pride & Prejudice & Zombies = Funny
This = Not funny

[DoctorFinger]

Exactly. P&P&Z is blatant humor, this is an attempt to subvert science.

[johnperkins21]

Every single one of his points that he counted off on his fingers was a blatant lie, up until the thing about Gideons not being able to give Bibles away at school. I didn't think Christians approved of lying. Well thank you Kirk, for teaching me something new. Christians are liars. Oh, and they like to look cool by sitting in chairs backwards.

[Generation ABXY]

Oh, and they like to look cool by sitting in chairs backwards.

You misunderstand; he has to sit that way in order to stay upright. It’s a medical condition, you see – Kirk was born without a spine.

At least, that’s all I can attribute this sort of moustache-twisting switcheroo to.

[Blue]

Oh, and they like to look cool by sitting in chairs backwards.

This bit is in Leviticus so we more or less have to do it.

[diablopath]

rofl @ Hitler.

Man, this shit is awesome.

[ShivaX]

Shouldn't he have to make a note about any changes he's made?

I mean whats to stop me from rewriting The Odyssey or the Bible and publishing them with my changes without saying anything? I mean if thats allowed I'm writing myself into Shakespeare and the Koran. God said you have to make sure I have a pile of solid gold 10 cubits by 10 cubits or he will send everyone to hell. Its in the Bible (well now it is).

[Xerxes]

Shouldn't he have to make a note about any changes he's made?

I mean whats to stop me from rewriting The Odyssey or the Bible and publishing them with my changes without saying anything? I mean if thats allowed I'm writing myself into Shakespeare and the Koran. God said you have to make sure I have a pile of solid gold 10 cubits by 10 cubits or he will send everyone to hell. Its in the Bible (well now it is).

Who the hell do you think you are; King James? :D

[DoctorFinger]

Shouldn't he have to make a note about any changes he's made?

I mean whats to stop me from rewriting The Odyssey or the Bible and publishing them with my changes without saying anything? I mean if thats allowed I'm writing myself into Shakespeare and the Koran. God said you have to make sure I have a pile of solid gold 10 cubits by 10 cubits or he will send everyone to hell. Its in the Bible (well now it is).If it's public domain, then there's no legal reason not to. You want to print up the Bible: Shiva X edition then go ahead. Hamlet vs Shiva. The Adventures of Huckleberry Shiva.

[Ink Asylum]

If it's public domain, then there's no legal reason not to. You want to print up the Bible: Shiva X edition then go ahead. Hamlet vs Shiva. The Adventures of Huckleberry Shiva.

But can you, say, take Macbeth, give it a happy ending, and republish it without any indication that it's been changed from the original text, still have "by William Shakespeare" on the cover?

In a similar way, is there anything legal stopping me from writing a competely new play, slapping Shakespeare's name on the front instead of my own, and trying to sell it?

[DoctorFinger]

But can you, say, take Macbeth, give it a happy ending, and republish it without any indication that it's been changed from the original text, still have "by William Shakespeare" on the cover?

In a similar way, is there anything legal stopping me from writing a competely new play, slapping Shakespeare's name on the front instead of my own, and trying to sell it?I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK there's nothing stopping you. Now most bookstores wouldn't stock it, but you could do it. Once a work hits the public domain you can do anything you want to it. I think it's a little different with people. I'm not sure you could put Mark Twain's name on The Adventures of Huckleberry Ink, but you could publish it.

[Generation ABXY]

Yeah, if you've got the money, there's not a lot stopping you from publishing almost anything like that. Kind of beautiful, in a way...think of the retaliation this could inspire.

[Spectre-7]

I'm really surprised by this discussion. Once copyright has expired on a work, it is free to use for absolutely any purposes without any restrictions, no holds barred. I could republish the collected works of William Shakespeare as Ye Olde Collected Works of Spectre-7, or publish my new play, The Taming of the Groo as an original work of William Shakespeare. Either one would clearly be unethical, and I'd probably be decried as a fraud (if anyone even paid attention), but there's no law stopping me from doing so.

ABSOLUTELY FREE! MUSIC, TEXT AND ART!! COPY ALL YOU WANT!! If you saw an advertisement like this, you might wonder, "What's the catch?" When it comes to the public domain, there is no catch. If a book, song, movie or artwork is in the public domain, then it is not protected by intellectual property laws (such as copyright, trademark or patent law) --which means it's free for you to use without permission.

If you're interested in the subject, the Stanford Library has a rather extensive discussion of the topic which you can find here. (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter8/index.html)

Fun Fact: Back in 1968, your work could fall into the public domain if you failed to properly put copyright notices on the work itself. Such is the case with George A. Romero's Night of the Living Dead, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfShkumjeq8) which can be copied, remixed and remade to your heart's content.

God said you have to make sure I have a pile of solid gold 10 cubits by 10 cubits or he will send everyone to hell. Its in the Bible (well now it is).

And thus we have the Book of Mormon.

[civil]

The Adventures of Huckleberry Shiva.
I would buy this in a heartbeat.

[Zero]

I would buy this in a heartbeat.

I had no idea Shiva was so racist!

[Xerxes]

Uncle Ghandi's Cabin

[Widgetcraft]

Really, Kirk Cameron?

He is a notorious prick. Hell, Growing Pains (as well as his career, lulz) was canceled because of all the shit he pulled on the set.

[Slack3r78]

He is a notorious prick. Hell, Growing Pains (as well as his career, lulz) was canceled because of all the shit he pulled on the set.

yeah, I was gonna say, this kind of shit is nothing new for him. He's a world-class douchebag.

In 1987, Kirk Cameron became a born again Christian. Afterward he began to increasingly raise objections behind the scenes to what he viewed as the depiction and promotion of immoral behavior on the show.

After Cameron's conversion, his beliefs frequently interfered with production of the show. He insisted that no "adult themes"[citation needed] be incorporated into episodes, and he often demanded that entire episodes be re-written when he objected to the content (when one planned episode revolved around Julie giving Mike the key to her apartment, Cameron objected to the sexual connotations, and he asked a new script to be written)[citation needed]. According to the Growing Pains episode of E! True Hollywood Story, Cameron at one point once called the President of ABC on the phone, and refer to executive producers Dan Guntzelman, Mike Sullivan and Steve Marshall as pornographers, due to the content of some of the episodes.

In 1991, after the show's sixth season, the three men quit the show as a result of Cameron's actions and statements. Cameron's conflicts with the writers were frequent in part due to his low level of tolerance for immoral behaviour. For example, according to the aforementioned E! True Hollywood Story episode, one scene which he objected to would have shown Mike in bed with a girl. The camera would then pull back to reveal that the two were on stage, rehearsing a scene for a play. The most significant instance of Cameron's editorial interference occurred in the 1989-1990 season which was supposed to involve Mike marrying his girlfriend Julie. However, Cameron objected to the fact that actress Julie McCullough, who played the popular character Julie Costello, had once posed nude for Playboy. Cameron demanded that the producers fire her or he would quit. McCullough was fired, and Julie was written out of the series as having left Mike at the altar.[citation needed]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Pains#Kirk_Cameron.27s_clashes

He's since played the 'confused teenager' card, but his behavior since then hasn't really changed my opinion of him. He's still a douchebag intent on forcing his beliefs on others.

[Bingley Joe]

God said you have to make sure I have a pile of solid gold 10 cubits by 10 cubits or he will send everyone to hell. Its in the Bible (well now it is).

RIIIIIGHT...




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What's a cubit?

[roboninja]

RIIIIIGHT...




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What's a cubit?

The Coz!!

Loved that album; bought it as a young teenager.

[Bone]

http://overcompensating.com/comics/20070615.png

I loves me some Weedmaster P!

[Bingley Joe]

The Coz!!

Loved that album; bought it as a young teenager.

Yeah, a true classic :D

Who knew someone could be funny without swearing?

[Deadend]

yeah, I was gonna say, this kind of shit is nothing new for him. He's a world-class douchebag.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growing_Pains#Kirk_Cameron.27s_clashes

He's since played the 'confused teenager' card, but his behavior since then hasn't really changed my opinion of him. He's still a douchebag intent on forcing his beliefs on others.

I love his "apology"
'I was a 17-year-old guy trying to walk with integrity, knowing that I was walking in the opposite direction from many other people. I didn't have the kind of maturity and graceful way of putting things perhaps that I would now,'
So, he still thinks that everyone was horrible and he was douche, but he would have not said so out loud. Thus, a total prick.

[LongStepMantis]

It's been what, 2 decades now since he was even remotely relevant? And even then it was for being on an average by-the-numbers family sitcom.

Enjoy nobody giving a shit about you for the rest of your life, Kirk. We didn't then, and we certainly won't anytime in the future.

[Widgetcraft]

It's been what, 2 decades now since he was even remotely relevant? And even then it was for being on an average by-the-numbers family sitcom.

The best thing about Growing Pains? The awesome theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn5yIVK2Vcg).

[DylonCorp]

The best thing about Growing Pains? The awesome theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn5yIVK2Vcg).

"Making your way in the world today takes everything you..."

Wait a minute.

[Ultima Thulian]

Gawd, will someone just off this douchemuffin already? Nothing he said was true. Gideons still give out bibles...you can pray in public, etc. And to use deception (you know...that thing that is supposedly frowned upon the Bible) to do this with? What a royal dick.

And I still don't get what beef certain sects Christianity has with Evolution. It doesn't interfere with the bible at all. Even the fucking Pope agrees. Darwin wasn't even the first evolutionist. Shit...he was a priest!

Bunch of fuckheads...

[johnperkins21]

Gawd, will someone just off this douchemuffin already? Nothing he said was true. Gideons still give out bibles...you can pray in public, etc. And to use deception (you know...that thing that is supposedly frowned upon the Bible) to do this with? What a royal dick.

And I still don't get what beef certain sects Christianity has with Evolution. It doesn't interfere with the bible at all. Even the fucking Pope agrees. Darwin wasn't even the first evolutionist. Shit...he was a priest!

Bunch of fuckheads...

Actually, it is illegal for the Gideons to give out Bibles at school, as it should be. They can do it off school grounds, or after school hours, but what he's referring to are recent cases where the Gideons were going into classrooms, during class time to distribute bibles. This is clearly unconstitutional, and has been stopped wherever it's been challenged.

The other stuff? Yeah, it's all lies.

[Ultima Thulian]

Well true enough, but I thought he was meaning they weren't allowed to hand out bibles at all. Thanks for the heads up.

[Widgetcraft]

Actually, it is illegal for the Gideons to give out Bibles at school, as it should be.

Yep.

They still do though.

[Xerxes]

I got one. LMAO

[Zero]

I got one. LMAO

Pics or it didn't happen!

Seriously, I'm really curious.

[Xerxes]

Pics or it didn't happen!

Seriously, I'm really curious.

I take some when I get back to work. That's where I left it. I work at a university. I actually seen a stack of them. If you flip to the middle it's all Darwin, but right front is tales of his Secret Apprentice, Hitler. :D

The book overall looks nice, but really shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. Way to go Kirk.

[MagGnome]

He (and by 'he' I mean the group he's working with) took out some of the most important chapters and inserted some creationist stuff into the book.

What do they expect to accomplish with this? Are people going to read the books and go "Oh my GAWD Jesus exists!!"

Give me a break!

These seems as silly as those pricks who used to stand on my college campus with their big signs telling all of us that we were going to hell unless we repented.


Fun Fact: Back in 1968, your work could fall into the public domain if you failed to properly put copyright notices on the work itself. Such is the case with George A. Romero's Night of the Living Dead, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfShkumjeq8) which can be copied, remixed and remade to your heart's content.

If it wasn't for Disney's army of lawyers and lobbyists, a lot more works would be in the public domain at this point.

[Xerxes]

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Told you I had one of these. :D

[txshurricane]

What do they expect to accomplish with this? Are people going to read the books and go "Oh my GAWD Jesus exists!!"
Darwin did it. :p

[Slack3r78]

Simply stunning.

[Xerxes]

I like the tenacity. They came up with a cuckoo scheme and followed through.

[ShivaX]

Darwin's theory must be wrong cause Hitler believed in it (even thought thats not technically evolution, its eugenics).

Other things that are wrong cause Hitler believed in them: Jet engines, atomic energy, non-trench warfare...

You get the idea.

Anyway I thought it was common knowledge Darwin was a racist. That doesn't really mean anything in the context of evolution. Thats the wonder of science. Darwin presents a theory, people look at it and decide if its right. Darwin presented the theory that blacks and asians evolved differently than whites, but he was proven wrong, even if people like Hitler really wanted him to be right.

[MagGnome]

I'm not racist by any means, but didn't blacks, whites, and Asians evolve slightly differently from each other? Obviously they are all basically the same, but the different skin colors are at least somewhat a product of evolution, right? Lighter colored skin the farther north you live in order to absorb more sunlight.

[ShivaX]

I'm not racist by any means, but didn't blacks, whites, and Asians evolve slightly differently from each other? Obviously they are all basically the same, but the different skin colors are at least somewhat a product of evolution, right? Lighter colored skin the farther north you live in order to absorb more sunlight.

We all evolved from a common ancestry and then as we spread around the globe we did change. But eugenics goes along the path that we're not really the same species. Basically Whites are the most evolved version of mankind (or at least thats how it always seems to end up).

The idea is that morality and intelligence are hereditary. So black people are violent because its genetic. Jews are sneaky cause they're born that way. Pick whatever race you want to slander, pick a stereotype and then claim its genetics. White people are obviously the best because look at the Western (white) world compared to say Africa. You get the idea.

Though looking stuff up on Wikipedia (it can't be wrong!) it looks like Darwin actually never really bought into the whole racist manipulation of it all. I thought he came up with it, but I'm probably wrong. Looks like a lot of that was helped along buy these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel) fellows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_George_Morton).

[MagGnome]

Oh, I definitely don't think that blacks/whites/Asians, etc. are different species. That's just absurd.

Edit - Thanks for the answer by the way. You could have just shot back something snarky, but instead you took the time to actually answer my query. I appreciate that. :)

[johnperkins21]

Anyway I thought it was common knowledge Darwin was a racist.

In the same way that it's common knowledge George Washington had wooden teeth.

Charles Darwin was an abolitionist. The quote is a link:
I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery. What a proud thing for England if she is the first European nation which utterly abolishes it! I was told before leaving England that after living in slave countries all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the negro character. It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him; such cheerful, open, honest expressions and such fine muscular bodies. (http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F1452.1&pageseq=264)
Darwin has been wrongly accused as a racist by the anti-evolution movement. Just as with everything these people say, this is also a lie. Basically if Ray Comfort or Kirk Cameron say something, it's safe to assume that the opposite is correct.

[ShivaX]

In the same way that it's common knowledge George Washington had wooden teeth.

Charles Darwin was an abolitionist. The quote is a link:

Darwin has been wrongly accused as a racist by the anti-evolution movement. Just as with everything these people say, this is also a lie. Basically if Ray Comfort or Kirk Cameron say something, it's safe to assume that the opposite is correct.

Which I corrected. :p

[johnperkins21]

Which I corrected. :p

I saw that, but your correction just said that he didn't buy into the science of eugenics. That's not the same as correcting the idea that he was a racist. And if it is "common knowledge," then it can't hurt to keep ramming the truth down people's throats until they realize that he was not a racist, and everything the creationist movement says is a lie.

[ShivaX]

I saw that, but your correction just said that he didn't buy into the science of eugenics. That's not the same as correcting the idea that he was a racist. And if it is "common knowledge," then it can't hurt to keep ramming the truth down people's throats until they realize that he was not a racist, and everything the creationist movement says is a lie.

Fair enough. Yeah he wasn't a racist and actively rejected that.

A lot of people over time have taken his theory and tried to use it for racist ends.

[Narradisall]

Darwins house is just 5 minutes down the road from me.

Damned lumpy floors in it too.

[boratika]

Darwins house is just 5 minutes down the road from me.

Damned lumpy floors in it too.

Well then, clearly lumpy floors are a successful trait.

[MagGnome]

I saw that, but your correction just said that he didn't buy into the science of eugenics. That's not the same as correcting the idea that he was a racist. And if it is "common knowledge," then it can't hurt to keep ramming the truth down people's throats until they realize that he was not a racist, and everything the creationist movement says is a lie.

Darwin was a great scientist, while Christopher Columbus was a racist and a genocidal maniac.

Yet which one do we have a holiday in celebration of? Yeah...


Well then, clearly lumpy floors are a successful trait.

I doubt the floors were lumpy when he lived there. :p


It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him; such cheerful, open, honest expressions and such fine muscular bodies.

Darwin's homosexuality confirmed! Clearly evolution is wrong! :eek:

[Generation ABXY]

Well then, clearly lumpy floors are a successful trait.

Brilliant! :D

[johnperkins21]

Darwin was a great scientist, while Christopher Columbus was a racist and a genocidal maniac.

Yet which one do we have a holiday in celebration of? Yeah...

And the worst part is that Christopher Columbus didn't even do anything of note. Well, other than kill a bunch of Native Americans, but that's no reason to celebrate him. But we already knew the Earth was a sphere, and America had already been discovered. But hey, I'll take a day off whenever someone is willing to give me one. You want to give me a day off for Hitler's Birthday, I'm not going to complain.

[MagGnome]

And the worst part is that Christopher Columbus didn't even do anything of note. Well, other than kill a bunch of Native Americans, but that's no reason to celebrate him. But we already knew the Earth was a sphere, and America had already been discovered. But hey, I'll take a day off whenever someone is willing to give me one. You want to give me a day off for Hitler's Birthday, I'm not going to complain.

I've got a better idea. Let's have a national holiday on the day Hitler (supposedly) killed himself instead. It's my birth day! :D

[Dorkandproudofit]

I've got a better idea. Let's have a national holiday on the day Hitler (supposedly) killed himself instead. It's my birth day! :D

So you're the reincarnation of Hitler?

That would explain that hidden world domination command center behind your bedroom wall...

[Ultima Thulian]

...and why would you be in his bedroom, sir?

[MagGnome]

...and why would you be in his bedroom, sir?

Apparently he used to be my ho.

[Ultima Thulian]

Oh. Well...that's nice. I don't know what I find more interesting. The fact he was your ho or the fact he is no longer your ho. Was he fired? Didn't get enough paper for daddy?

[MagGnome]

Oh. Well...that's nice. I don't know what I find more interesting. The fact he was your ho or the fact he is no longer your ho. Was he fired? Didn't get enough paper for daddy?

He talks too much. Talking doesn't pay.




Honestly I don't remember how he came to be known as my "ho", but it was his user title for quite some time. Maybe he remembers better than I do.

[Dorkandproudofit]

Honestly I don't remember how he came to be known as my "ho", but it was his user title for quite some time. Maybe he remembers better than I do.

As I recall, it was some banter on the old site that led to that title. Someone (I can't remember who, nor can I remember the topic of the conversation) jokingly accused me of being your "ho", and I thought that sounded funny. So I used it as my user title for a short time, and apparently, Mags thinks it really happened. Sorry, Magsy, I'm straight. And I already have a girlfriend, thank you very much. :D

[Ultima Thulian]

You still a ho.

Once a ho, always a ho. Now go get Mags that paper.

AbE0IvpCb4Y

[MagGnome]

As I recall, it was some banter on the old site that led to that title. Someone (I can't remember who, nor can I remember the topic of the conversation) jokingly accused me of being your "ho", and I thought that sounded funny. So I used it as my user title for a short time, and apparently, Mags thinks it really happened. Sorry, Magsy, I'm straight. And I already have a girlfriend, thank you very much. :D

YOU have a girlfriend?


Excuse me for a moment....



:D:D:D:D:D

[Dorkandproudofit]

YOU have a girlfriend?


Excuse me for a moment....



:D:D:D:D:D

Yes, I have a GF. She's fairly recent (third date imminent--what's the rule on that? I forget.), but we have a lot in common, including Asperger's. So she's not turned off by my weirdness. She shares it! Now if only I could teach her to like geeky stuff... :D

[boratika]

YOU have a girlfriend?


Excuse me for a moment....



:D:D:D:D:D

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third date imminent--what's the rule on that? I forget.

Tell her you need to pick up some monster condoms that you use for your magnum dong. That one?

[Dorkandproudofit]

Tell her you need to pick up some monster condoms that you use for your magnum dong. That one?

Magnum? You insult me, sir! It's a Bazooka (Not the bubble gum)! :D

[MagGnome]

Yes, I have a GF. She's fairly recent (third date imminent--what's the rule on that? I forget.), but we have a lot in common, including Asperger's. So she's not turned off by my weirdness. She shares it! Now if only I could teach her to like geeky stuff... :D

Wait just a minute....

You're going on your third date, and she's your girlfriend? That doesn't quite add up, unless you're both in the 8th grade. :p

[Karak]

He (and by 'he' I mean the group he's working with) took out some of the most important chapters and inserted some creationist stuff into the book.

Sadly, this is exactly how one of the worlds...largest religions was created.

Mind = blown.

[Karak]

Yes, I have a GF. She's fairly recent (third date imminent--what's the rule on that? I forget.), but we have a lot in common, including Asperger's. So she's not turned off by my weirdness. She shares it! Now if only I could teach her to like geeky stuff... :D

Rule for third date
FHUTA
For the win.
Nah joking of course...well no I am not but the rule for 3rd date is...if she can beat you at Rockband and still look somewhat girly...you marry her.
That night.
Take pics.

[MagGnome]

FHUTA?

Do I dare ask? :confused:

[Panthera]

Fuck him/her up the ass, I assume.

[MagGnome]

Yeah, I should have gotten that. Thanks.

[Lint of Death]

Fuck him/her up the assburgers, I assume.

There we go.

[nnanji]

I didn't feel like starting a new thread for this, so here is Neil deGrasse Tyson on Intelligent Design.

FNiTsYCkyI8

[National Kato]

Great video, nnanji. :D

[Xerxes]

He says he has no issue or doesn't care, but he does. It sounds kind of like any other fundamentalist. I can show you not caring about other people's views. :p

[nixpayn]

I used to love Ben Stein. Win Ben Stein's money was the best. I always had him pegged as jewish..maybe he was raised jewish.. or atheiest.. or jewish family turned christian.. i dunno.. point being, i always figured he was a smart guy.. dont know how he ended up going this route.

Kirk Cameron.. whatever, his claim to fame was having a best friend named Boner.

[Ultima Thulian]

Ben Stein is Jewish, born Jewish, and supports creationism largely because of his relgious leanings.

That being said, I never understood the hate. Yes, his movie kinda sucked, but disregarding him as dumb always seemed kinda silly to me. He believes in an arguably dumb idea, sure, but most people do. Doesn't change the fact that he's still fairly trig or that Ben Stein's Money kicked major ass. I loved that show. It was like Jeopardy with balls and a sense of humor.

[roboninja]

Win Ben Stein's Money remains a great show. Ben Stein remains a great idiot. Sure, not an idiot in that he knows nothing, just an idiot that I would like to punch.

[Slack3r78]

Ben Stein is Jewish, born Jewish, and supports creationism largely because of his relgious leanings.

That being said, I never understood the hate. Yes, his movie kinda sucked, but disregarding him as dumb always seemed kinda silly to me. He believes in an arguably dumb idea, sure, but most people do. Doesn't change the fact that he's still fairly trig or that Ben Stein's Money kicked major ass. I loved that show. It was like Jeopardy with balls and a sense of humor.

The problem is that Ben Stein has gone completely and totally batshit insane. He doesn't just support creationism, he seriously tries to forward the argument that evolution = nazism. Seriously. Do some looking into the things he's had to say over the past couple of years and you'll see why people that used to like him have lost all respect for the man.

[Ultima Thulian]

I'll do that then. I'm kinda afraid to do so though...surely he hasn't gotten THAT bad...

[ShivaX]

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.
Yeah thats totally rational.

[MagGnome]

Yes, because people have never committed atrocities unless it was under the guise of science, and people who are fervently devoted to "God" (or so they say) have NEVER hurt anyone!

Give me a break!

[Generation ABXY]

I suppose I can see how one might try to blame science (the Theory of Evolution or whatever) for some atrocities, but I think Mags is quite right that religion's hands aren't exactly clean either.

[ShivaX]

I suppose I can see how one might try to blame science (the Theory of Evolution or whatever) for some atrocities, but I think Mags is quite right that religion's hands aren't exactly clean either.

As we all know the Jews had it great until Darwin came along.

They went from the most beloved ethnic group in Europe to the most hated the day his book was published. Religion has never played a part in the treatment of Jews in the world.

[Generation ABXY]

I'm not too familiar with his (Stein's) position, but I think most people that tend to suggest such a thing are pointing more towards the numerous experiments that were done in the name of science (that is, "just to see what would happen"). I'm not saying, I agree with any of it, of course - I just see the angle they're coming at it from.

Now, the Nazi treatment of Jews, on the other hand, is another matter entirely...and one that also makes sense from a certain perspective.

[Ultima Thulian]

I'm not trying to be the defender of Stein here, but what was the context of his statements? If he was speaking about Nazi-era Germany, then what he said in Shiva's post is hardly that bad. I somehow doubt the man hates science with such a fervor as to believe that science leads to evil. It seemed to me that he is stating that blind science fueled by passion and herd-like mentality is fatal.

I'd agree, but I'd also say the same can be said of religion.

[ShivaX]

I'm not trying to be the defender of Stein here, but what was the context of his statements? If he was speaking about Nazi-era Germany, then what he said in Shiva's post is hardly that bad. I somehow doubt the man hates science with such a fervor as to believe that science leads to evil. It seemed to me that he is stating that blind science fueled by passion and herd-like mentality is fatal.

I'd agree, but I'd also say the same can be said of religion.

The context as he was talking to some religious talk show host about why religion was good and science was bad basically.

And I'm not saying the Nazi's didn't use certain perversions of science against the Jews and others, but those things weren't "caused" by science. They were caused by a bunch of madmen who convinced themselves that certain people weren't human.

And the extra added bonus of basically saying "Religion never leads to bad things and science always does" is just too choice of a mindset.

http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-stein

Stein has publicly denounced the theory of evolution, which he and other intelligent design advocates term "Darwinism," declaring it to be "a painful, bloody chapter in the history of ideologies," "the most compelling argument yet for Imperialism," and the inspiration for the Holocaust.[34][35] Stein does not say belief in the theory of evolution alone leads to genocide, but that scientific materialism is a necessary component.[36] He co-wrote and stars in Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, a film that aims to persuade viewers that the theory of evolution was instrumental to the rise of the eugenics movement, Nazi Germany, and the Holocaust, and portrays advocates of intelligent design as victims of intellectual discrimination by the scientific community, which has rejected intelligent design as creationist pseudoscience.[37][38][39]

The general media response to the film has been largely unfavorable. It received a 10% meta-score from Rotten Tomatoes. Multiple reviews, including those of USA Today and Scientific American, have described the film as propaganda.[37][38][39] The Chicago Tribune's rating was "1 star (poor),"[40] while the New York Times described it as "a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry" and "an unprincipled propaganda piece that insults believers and nonbelievers alike."[38] Noted evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, who appeared in the film, has strongly criticised Stein's film in an open letter on his website.[41]

In a Trinity Broadcasting Network interview with Paul Crouch Jr. regarding Stein's movie,[42] Stein made the following statement about science and religion:

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you.

Crouch: That’s right.

Stein: …Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.


Now I wont disagree eugenics came about from a perversion of evolution, but to say evolution magically created Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is just horseshit. Nazi Germany came about because Germany got completely fucked by the rest of the world and the Jews have been a common scapegoat for the evils of the world for well over a thousand years.

Hint: The reason people historically have hated the Jews isn't because science told them to. Its because religion told them to.

[Ultima Thulian]

I see. That kinda sucks. Thanks for the link though.

[ShivaX]

I see. That kinda sucks. Thanks for the link though.

Well its not all bad really. I mean religiously he is a wingnut, but hes not a rank and file conservative in every respect.

Larry Craig scandal
In 2007, Stein chastised the police and the GOP leadership for their response to the Larry Craig scandal. Stein said that Craig's sexuality should not be an issue: "A party that believes in individual rights should be rallying to his defense, not making him walk the plank."[29]

Tax code
Though often labeled as a political and economic conservative, Stein has criticized the U.S. tax code for being too lenient on the wealthy. He has repeated the observation made by Warren Buffett, one of the richest individuals in the world (who pays mostly capital gains tax), that Buffett pays a lower overall tax rate than his secretaries (who pay income taxes). Stein has advocated increasing taxation on the wealthy.[30]


Of course those things are tempered by this kind of crap:
Stein drew fire for a 2008 interview with Glenn Beck in which Stein compared U.S. President Barack Obama's campaign rally at Invesco Field to Adolf Hitler's Nazi rallies at Nuremberg.

So he kinda breaks even in my book.

[Ultima Thulian]

I don't mind his conservative ideology or religious stance. But his hard-on for Godwinning everything he says is tragic. He honestly doesn't seem like that bad a dood. I'd rather listen to him than say, Rush or Beck (though from my understanding Beck and Stein are friends or some shit).

[nixpayn]

I dont get the eugenics arguement.

Eugenics is man fucking with the gene pool, not nature. Evolution is based on evolution as a reaction to natural environment. Theres a lot of air out there, i should grow lungs so i can breathe it kinda thing. It shouldnt even be a counterpoint. If anything, Eugenics would be an instrument of God, since God created man and man decided to filter out the weaker of the species. That sorta thing.

Same with the holocaust. God created man, man created Hitler through Gods tried and tested PP in VJ, out and in repeat process / denied him into art school / man invented religion and so on, whatever your believe was the catalyst for it.

With Evolution.. it just happens, no one chooses for it to happen, it just happens from necessity or in the case of losing our pinky toes, obsolescence.

My 2 copper worth.

[Slack3r78]

@ Ultima:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled

[Ultima Thulian]

Thanks for the link. I really wanna reserve judgment until I actually see the movie, but I can't find very many positive reviews on it. Makes me just wanna take things at face value, which I don't really enjoy doing. But I will probably make an exception in this case.

[Matthias]

Hint: The reason people historically have hated the Jews isn't because science told them to. Its because religion told them to.

People have been hating on the Jews before Christianity was a barely coherent group of ex-fishermen. It's not so much religion telling them too as "hey, they're different, let's find a reason to push them around."

[Ultima Thulian]

They're an easy scapegoat.

[ShivaX]

People have been hating on the Jews before Christianity was a barely coherent group of ex-fishermen. It's not so much religion telling them too as "hey, they're different, let's find a reason to push them around."

Well sure, but Christianity upped the ante quite a bit, especially in Europe.

People hate people for all sorts of silly reasons, but in the case of Jews there really was a concerted effort by religious authorities against them for centuries. To make the claim that it was science that turned people against the Jews is just insane. Anti-semitism predates evolution by well over a thousand years.

[Slack3r78]

I do want to make clear that I actually had a fair amount of respect for Ben Stein as somebody I disagreed with, but thought reasonably intelligent, up until the point he went completely insane recently. It's honestly disappointing for me.

[Matthias]

Anti-semitism predates evolution by well over a thousand years.

Wait a second, are you telling me there were Jewish amino acids? :D

Sorry, it's late and I roffled at that.

[Generation ABXY]

People have been hating on the Jews before Christianity was a barely coherent group of ex-fishermen. It's not so much religion telling them too as "hey, they're different, let's find a reason to push them around."

Actually, I think the "they're different" is exactly the reason they found.

[Matthias]

Actually, I think the "they're different" is exactly the reason they found.

Well apparently the wikipedia article on antisemitism has several examples of New Testament passages that have been interpreted to carry antisemitic emotion. I think several of these are a stretch, and tend to address those of certain theological thought (like the legalistic Pharisees) rather than Jewish people in general. But I'm sure that didn't keep numerous greedy leaders of the day from using them to say Jews were horrible people who deserved to be mistreated.