[WAR] Black Guard & Knight of the Blazing Sun Returning

[Ten19]

From the "State of the Game" blog by Mark Jacobs

http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=386

Let’s start with what we know is some truly exciting news. I’m happy to announce that in December, the Black Guard and the Knight of the Blazing Sun will officially be part of WAR. We have very special plans around their appearance and in our next newsletter we will provide full details about that exciting and rather novel event.

This and other interesting news bits about how WAR will be developing can be found in the article (including RvR influence rewards? Hot!)

[ClannerDelta]

Bah, now I'm going to have to admit to Ghostbear that I'm too cynical.

[Ghostbear]

Bah, now I'm going to have to admit to Ghostbear that I'm too cynical.

Muwahahahahhahahaahhahahaah!!!!!
I am not that petty...:D

[Klunka]

Fucking awesome

[Libuke]

Can't wait to play a blackguard it was the class I was originally looking forward to playing.

[Wasson_]

Empire finally will have a class that can take some damage.

[Lint of Death]

Empire finally will have a class that can take some damage.

And, oh, how I will enjoy damaging them.

[Squidbot]

I want a Choppa!

[ClannerDelta]

Empire finally will have a class that can take some damage.

1. Is that some area 88 in your avatar?

2. Warrior Priests are surprisingly sturdy.

I just hope this helps the Order a bit. While the Black Guard is still a damn elf, Order now has a non-female, non-stunty tank.

And no, there are no male elves(elfs in Warhammer I suppose).

[Kryopsis]

And no, there are no male elves(elfs in Warhammer I suppose).

There are no female Dwarfs either so it balances out ;0)

[Wasson_]

1. Is that some area 88 in your avatar?

2. Warrior Priests are surprisingly sturdy.

I just hope this helps the Order a bit. While the Black Guard is still a damn elf, Order now has a non-female, non-stunty tank.

And no, there are no male elves(elfs in Warhammer I suppose).


1. You bet ya.

2. Yes, my good friend is a warrior priest and they're pretty epic teamed up with an iron breaker or sword master, yes, but as he's increased in level he's found sourcerours rather bothersome. I can't spell that word...not even going to try.

[Hotcod]

To get a major content patch with in the first month or so? freaking awesome, just makes me want to stay with the game even more than i already did

[digitalErich]

Damn, no word on the Choppa or Hammererer though? I was hoping the Choppa would be the class to make me want to roll Destruction.

[Lint of Death]

Could someone who was in the beta tell me what the Choppa did that could possibly make itself distinct from the Marauder and the Witch Elf?

[ClannerDelta]

Could someone who was in the beta tell me what the Choppa did that could possibly make itself distinct from the Marauder and the Witch Elf?

Wasn't that the main reason they didn't add it?

I don't feel it really needs to distinguish itself from the Marauder, more choices for melee DPS from an aesthetic stand-point is great for both sides. Some people just don't like the Marauder Dee dee dee flail. Others just don't like the elf and her cat.

Anything to bring down the caster population. :p

[Savok]

Also unless they fiddled with the lore on Black Orcs, there isn't a playable normal orc to be seen in the game.

My question is why a Hammerer? Why not a Troll/Giant/Demonslayer? Unless that's some planned hero class thing they have.

[Smoof]

I'm looking forward to the Hammerer. Being a fan of Dwarves and Dwarves that kick-ass hardcore, I want to play one.

[SilentScreams]

I want Hammerers because as an Ironbreaker, I'm fed up of being the only Dwarf that gets stuck in, and thus becomes the best target for every nuke the other team possesses.
Sure, it's my job to take damage, but only if there's an end product, and without some DPS to kill off the enemy, me charging in becomes an exercise in futility. Ironbreakers sure as hell can't do damage.

[Lint of Death]

I'm looking forward to the Hammerer. Being a fan of Dwarves and Dwarves that kick-ass hardcore, I want to play one.

I've always had so much trouble getting into elves and dwarfs, even in this game. Sure, the dwarfs recording every grudge, being a washed-up civilization superpower, and having historically butchered the king of the elves are all appealing with regards to backstory, but they're all short with bulbous paunches and massive beards. Not to mention their best beers are made with rocks and they can taste a gold nugget's quality, haha.

But then, I like goblins and lizardmen skinks lot. :confused:

[Libuke]

I've always had so much trouble getting into elves and dwarfs, even in this game. Sure, the dwarfs recording every grudge, being a washed-up civilization superpower, and having historically butchered the king of the elves are all appealing with regards to backstory, but they're all short with bulbous paunches and massive beards. Not to mention their best beers are made with rocks and they can taste a gold nugget's quality, haha.

But then, I like goblins and lizardmen skinks lot. :confused:

I play a Dark Elf army so the dark elves being included made me happy. I was hoping the would have a Dark Elf Warrior class, the basic guys in the army who use spear/repeater crossbow with a shield and sword I think it could of been an awesome jack of all trades class.

[Lint of Death]

I play a Dark Elf army so the dark elves being included made me happy. I was hoping the would have a Dark Elf Warrior class, the basic guys in the army who use spear/repeater crossbow with a shield and sword I think it could of been an awesome jack of all trades class.

I get jealous of the NPC's sometimes. I haven't played an MMO with real spear melee weapons since Asheron's Call, and crossbows are hardly common either. Yeah, WoW has spears, but they are used just like halberds and suchlike. Come to think of it, Asheron's Call 2 was the only one I've played that really used javelins.

edit: OK, I guess the Paragons use javelins in Guild Wars.

[Ten19]

Apparently either the Choppa or Hammerer as they were initially introduced will not be returning to WAR:

From Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=263782):


One of the four classes yet to be included in Warhammer Online is set to be cut from the game entirely, according to Mythic's boss, Mark Jacobs.

...

Of the two remaining originally planned careers, the Dwarf Hammerer and Greenskin Choppa, one is set to return to the game at a later date, but the other will be replaced by an as-yet unknown class.

"Well, one of them we hope to put back in," Mark Jacobs told Eurogamer and GamesIndustry.biz when he spoke to us last week.

"I can't tell you which yet, that's a surprise. We're probably going to be replacing one and putting in another class in its place. But we'll be talking about that in a few months."

[Ghostbear]

Apparently either the Choppa or Hammerer as they were initially introduced will not be returning to WAR:

From Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=263782):

Please be a Slayer...

[Savok]

Choppas could be replaced by a Savage Orc, get the whole war paint thing going. It's probably Dwarves with a Slayer class, unless they still plan it to be some special hero class thing.

[Hotcod]

keepingthe chopper tends to make more sense since it lets there be playable 'normal orcs'... or at lest that's what i remember from the lore... it would just be easier to replace the hammerer in that respect

[QueQueg]

I was really disappointed that they didn't include Skaven as a playable race.

I sooo wanted to play a Clan Eshin Assassin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven#Clan_Eshin)!

Oh yeah, and what about Wood Elf Wardancers? How cool would that be? I seriously hope that we get a steady stream of new races/classes over the next year or so. There's just so much great Games Workshop lore to draw from.

[Smoof]

I've always had so much trouble getting into elves and dwarfs, even in this game. Sure, the dwarfs recording every grudge, being a washed-up civilization superpower, and having historically butchered the king of the elves are all appealing with regards to backstory, but they're all short with bulbous paunches and massive beards. Not to mention their best beers are made with rocks and they can taste a gold nugget's quality, haha.

But then, I like goblins and lizardmen skinks lot. :confused:

Dwarves have instantly appealed to me for whatever reason. Even before I really knew anything about them, I liked them. The aesthetic is really cool to me, big beards, stout, full of muscle. Just seeing a Dwarf in full armor with a big axe or dual wielding some axes is heaven for me, there's just something too awesome about it.

As far as the classes: I think we'll see the Slayer. We see tons of Slayers already in the game, even playing Empire I saw quite a few. I've never actually seen a Hammerer that I can recall.

[ClannerDelta]

Oh yeah, and what about Wood Elf Wardancers? How cool would that be? I seriously hope that we get a steady stream of new races/classes over the next year or so. There's just so much great Games Workshop lore to draw from.

We need moar elves! Er wait. :p

I would like to see Bretonnians actually. As they have the -single- lore true MMO class ever.

Questing Knights (Grail Knights). They wander around alone looking for the Grail. Sometimes banding together when necessary. Wearing a hodge podge of different armor pieces.

That's pretty much every player in WAR right now. You could just add a class only quest line to get some of their skills and an eventual finish for their 40 skill. Done and done.

[sparkfizt]

I was really disappointed that they didn't include Skaven as a playable race.

I sooo wanted to play a Clan Eshin Assassin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven#Clan_Eshin)!



I'm an outsider to tabletop warhammer and its lore. Can anyone quickly summarize why everyone is obsessed with skaven? To the outsider they merely appear to be rat men (horray?). However I constantly hear about peoples obsessions with skaven not being playable.

[Hotcod]

it more that they are awesome ratmen... i'm far from obsessed with them but if you go read up on them they are in fact far more cool then you'd expect from ratmen

[ClannerDelta]

I'm an outsider to tabletop warhammer and its lore. Can anyone quickly summarize why everyone is obsessed with skaven? To the outsider they merely appear to be rat men (horray?). However I constantly hear about peoples obsessions with skaven not being playable.

They snort warpstone to make their spells more powerful... That's far better than "Backlash".

[QueQueg]

I think it stems from the massive amount of lore associated with Skaven from Warhammer Fantasy Battles on the table-top. If you are ever at a mall that has a GW outlet store, just stop in and check out the variety of models in the Skaven army (or any army for that matter.) The Skaven army has an abundance of kickass units. Also the variation of the Skaven clan-houses means that the different classes would be unique, even in the WAR setting.

Clan Moulder would provide the tanks, in the form of the gigantic Stormvermin. The globodiers of Clan Pestilens would make for nice RDPS, or the Plague Monks would make for awesome MDPS with disease-based DoT abilities and possibly healing as well. Clan Eshin assassins are MDPS along the lines of a rat-ninja. Clan Skryre boasts RDPS in the form of the Warlock Engineers.

Here's (http://bullgod.org/moodgod/war/skaven.jsp) a random Skaven army that I found via google.

[Lint of Death]

A trade: Skaven for Destruction if we get Lizardmen for Order :p

[Ghostbear]

A trade: Skaven for Destruction if we get Lizardmen for Order :p

Lizardmen would be the most obvious counter to the skaven, but in order to make either of those races work, I think there would need to be a third faction.

[Libuke]

A trade: Skaven for Destruction if we get Lizardmen for Order :p

Lizardmen would work for order as they hate Dark Elves and Chaos and only have dislike for the other races. Plus they could just say the slann saw in a vision that they have to help the forces of order, that it is in the old ones plans.

Edit: I would want a tomb kings or vampire counts personally but I don't think either works for an MMO.

[Lint of Death]

Edit: I would want a tomb kings or vampire counts personally but I don't think either works for an MMO.

They could be like the Mastermind archetype in City of Villains, but, reconsidering the pet AI in this game, I imagine that'd be total Hell.

[QueQueg]

Indeed, in WFB part of the fun was mixing and matching opponents. Elves vs. humans, Dwarves vs. Elves, Skaven vs. Chaos, Orcs vs. everybody else.

It's kind of a bummer that there are only two factions in WAR. IMO, it would be better if every race was it's own faction, sort of like WoW. Also, I'd love to play an Empire Witch Hunter who was a traitor to his kingdom, having sold out to the Dark Elves or the forces of Chaos.

[ClannerDelta]

I was bothered by the two faction limit from the beginning. Can't change it, so I don't complain about it too much.

Dark Elfs/Chaos vs Empire/Dwarfs vs Skaven/Orcs would have been better from a balance and gameplay perspective, IMO.

[Savok]

I was really disappointed that they didn't include Skaven as a playable race.

I sooo wanted to play a Clan Eshin Assassin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaven#Clan_Eshin)!

Oh yeah, and what about Wood Elf Wardancers? How cool would that be? I seriously hope that we get a steady stream of new races/classes over the next year or so. There's just so much great Games Workshop lore to draw from.
Skaven is coming in the expansion I reckon, why? Of the four Gods of Chaos only three are represented on Detro side.

Chaos Forces - Tzeentch
Orcs and Gobbos - Khorne
Dark Pansies - Slan... whatever the young pretty boy one

Which only leaves Nurgle, now who best represents Nurgle...

[Libuke]

Skaven is coming in the expansion I reckon, why? Of the four Gods of Chaos only three are represented on Detro side.

Chaos Forces - Tzeentch
Orcs and Gobbos - Khorne
Dark Pansies - Slan... whatever the young pretty boy one

Which only leaves Nurgle, now who best represents Nurgle...

Dark elves are devoted to Khaine the lord of murder though, I always saw him as a representation of Khorne but I don't know enough lore to back that up.


Edit: I think I miked up the Khaine from 40,000 so I changed it to murder I think bloody handed is the name for the Eldar one.

[QueQueg]

Interesting thoughts Savok, but Skaven actually worship the Great Horned Rat (I know, I'm geeking out here, but bear with me.) The fact that Clan Pestilens is all about disease doesn't mean they automatically worship Nurgle.

Incidentally, the armies of Chaos could worship any of the four powers, including Slaneesh. It's an over-simplification that Chaos in WAR is all about Tzeentch. Khorne would have been more fun. AFAIK the green-skins worship Gork and Mork, not any Chaos powers.

[Hotcod]

i'm not a lore buff for any of the warhammer stuff but i've seen them play a bit with it to make everything work so i'm sure we'll see other races brought in on either side in expansions as time goes on... the huge world they've got to play with it just to tempting to leave unused

[QueQueg]

Dark elves are devoted to Khaine the lord of murder though, I always saw him as a representation of Khorne but I don't know enough lore to back that up.


Edit: I think I miked up the Khaine from 40,000 so I changed it to murder I think bloody handed is the name for the Eldar one.

I think you had it right, they are one and the same. Some dark elves worship Khaine, who is -not- Khorne. Others worship Slaneesh (a lot of high elves secretly worship the god of pleasure as well.)

[Libuke]

Interesting thoughts Savok, but Skaven actually worship the Great Horned Rat (I know, I'm geeking out here, but bear with me.) The fact that Clan Pestilens is all about disease doesn't mean they automatically worship Nurgle.

Incidentally, the armies of Chaos could worship any of the four powers, including Slaneesh. It's an over-simplification that Chaos in WAR is all about Tzeentch. Khorne would have been more fun. AFAIK the green-skins worship Gork and Mork, not any Chaos powers.

Changer of ways is more subtle then the other chaos gods make for a more deceitful like story. Khorne would just be all about rushing the Empire and not care about sowing internal strife. Slanessh would have to have to many boobs hanging out is my guess. Nurgel I think might of worked especially since the plague seems to play a big part but I am assuming the imagery is not what they would wanted for the game. Art wise I think it would be difficult as everything should look different, even the chosen would have diffrent decaying parts and mutations visible.

[QueQueg]

Changer of ways is more subtle then the other chaos gods make for a more deceitful like story. Khorne would just be all about rushing the Empire and not care about sowing internal strife. Slanessh would have to have to many boobs hanging out is my guess. Nurgel I think might of worked especially since the plague seems to play a big part but I am assuming the imagery is not what they would wanted for the game. Art wise I think it would be difficult as everything should look different, even the chosen would have diffrent decaying parts and mutations visible.

All good points. In retrospect, I agree on the advantages of Tzeentch over Khorne. It would still be cool to "convert" or some-such and be a member of a Khornate legion.

Also... boobs.

[Ghostbear]

It has been hinted that the Horned rat is an aspect of Nurgle, but nothing solid. Khaine is most likely his own entity. There is even a 5th chaos god Malal, who despises all 4 of the others and actively tries to destroy them.

A listing of other Chaos gods.

* An'sl, Mo'rcck, and Phraz-Etar - minor gods mentioned in older background material for Warhammer 40,000 (Johnson, 1999). Other than their names being puns on the last names of Bryan Ansell, Michael Moorcock, and Frank Frazetta and that they are minor gods, nothing is known of them.
* Hashut - in the Warhammer Fantasy setting, Hashut is the god of the Chaos Dwarfs. He represents aspects of Industry, Fire, Volcanoes, Darkness, Hammers and Lightning, and shares some aspects of ancient Babylonian gods.
* The Horned Rat - in the Warhammer Fantasy setting, the Horned Rat is the god of the Skaven. He represents aspects of Disease, Magic, the power of Chaos itself, Rats, and other characteristics of the Skaven race.
* Malal - a renegade Chaos God, representing the paradox of Chaos fighting against itself. He is no longer mentioned in current background material.
* Necoho - in Warhammer Fantasy, a renegade minor god known as the "Doubter", representing aspects of Agnosticism and Atheism.
* Sarr'Kell- in Warhammer 40,000, he is the entity contacted by Erebus when Horus kills the Astropath Ing Mae Sing during the Horus Heresy. He calls himself lord of the shadows.
* Zuvassin - in Warhammer Fantasy, a renegade minor god known as the "Great Undoer", representing a desire to foil the efforts of others.
* Melkirth - mentioned in older background material for Warhammer 40,000. Melkirth was a minor chaos god described as "The god of evil, malice, and wanton cruelty and suffering." While Melkirth remains a minor god, it is said that the actions of the mortal races, particularly the Dark Eldar, are causing Melkirth to grow in power until he ultimately becomes the fifth major Chaos God. The daemons of Melkirth are described as being the colour of shadow and able to take on the appearance of any daemon, be it a daemon of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch.

Note: It is debated that Sarr'Kell is in fact an Undivided Greater Daemon as opposed to a God of Chaos in its own right

Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh are just the big kids on the block.

[Hotcod]

a bit off topic but in 40K i always liked the idea that the emperor was an chaos god trapped in human form...

but back on topic it's a bit hard to balance the races given that you've got the 2 kind of undead armies the Skaven and so on and only really other humans or lizard men for order and it would be a shame just to have another human race

[QueQueg]

The daemons of Melkirth are described as being the colour of shadow and able to take on the appearance of any daemon, be it a daemon of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch.

I love this kind of stuff. In a table-top context and in meta-game thinking, it's an excuse to use whatever models you want, but paint them different colors.

[QueQueg]

a bit off topic but in 40K i always liked the idea that the emperor was an chaos god trapped in human form...

but back on topic it's a bit hard to balance the races given that you've got the 2 kind of undead armies the Skaven and so on and only really other humans or lizard men for order and it would be a shame just to have another human race

I know folks would complain, but I'd like to see Wood Elves, as distinct from High Elves. Wardancers, druids, etc...

[Ghostbear]

a bit off topic but in 40K i always liked the idea that the emperor was an chaos god trapped in human form...

but back on topic it's a bit hard to balance the races given that you've got the 2 kind of undead armies the Skaven and so on and only really other humans or lizard men for order and it would be a shame just to have another human race
As long as they are visually and characteristically distinct I wouldn't mind.
I know folks would complain, but I'd like to see Wood Elves, as distinct from High Elves. Wardancers, druids, etc...
That would be OK too. Personally, Chaos Dwarves would be awesome.

As far as the Emperor goes, I don't believe he is a god of Chaos, but a god nonetheless.

[Libuke]

I've always been curios as to what the old ones are when compared to the chaos gods as they seem both evil, in the case of the Necrons and good* with the Lizardsmen.

*Good in relation to a lot of the things in the warhammer universes.

[QueQueg]

The Emperor was supposedly an immortal super-human, and the greatest of all psykers, but not a diety (although he was worshiped as one.) His battle with the Warmaster Horus left him broken, sustained by the Golden Throne.

This talk of 40k makes me drool over the idea of a 40k MMO. Wasn't one in the works?

[Libuke]

The Emperor was supposedly an immortal super-human, and the greatest of all psykers, but not a diety (although he was worshiped as one.) His battle with the Warmaster Horus left him broken, sustained by the Golden Throne.

This talk of 40k makes me drool over the idea of a 40k MMO. Wasn't one in the works?

Indeed it is. The emperor is sustained by devouring the souls of psykers. Ones who are not used in the astral choir. Thats why the inquisition rounds up psykers, and so they don't attract demons of the warp.

[QueQueg]

This is really what Warhammer games have going for them... ridiculous amounts of thoughtful, intriguing lore. Games Workshop did such an amazing job with all of their games. These were table-top strategy games that didn't really need any of this lore to work... tables and graphs and game-balance and cool models would have been enough. And yet on top of all that, they had great writers building rich universes to serve as a back-drop.

It's no wonder that the games have not just persisted, but thrived for so long.

[Ghostbear]

The Emperor was supposedly an immortal super-human, and the greatest of all psykers, but not a diety (although he was worshiped as one.) His battle with the Warmaster Horus left him broken, sustained by the Golden Throne.

This talk of 40k makes me drool over the idea of a 40k MMO. Wasn't one in the works?

I think he transcended the line into godhood.

[rifter]

I think the Skaven, are a given. That leaves the counter on the order side. You really have 3 choices. Wood Elves, Bretonnians, and Lizardmen. As has been said before, you can work out the ways to get the Lizardmen in.

Since you have Humans and Elves, I DO think those 2 races are out, at least at this point. I COULD see say Skaven and say Chaos Dwaves + Elves/Bretonnians. And, the Wood Elves + Bretonnians make a pretty logical pairing. I think you could even see a way to bring the undead in under the chaos flag.

What I would LOVE to see, too, are some additional races come in. Say, Nippon, Araby, or Kislev... or even halflings. I think you could attach these to the current races, or new ones, for some added spice and excitement. :-) But, those are just my dreams.

[Lint of Death]

I've always been curios as to what the old ones are when compared to the chaos gods as they seem both evil, in the case of the Necrons and good* with the Lizardsmen.

*Good in relation to a lot of the things in the warhammer universes.

The Old Ones are good* in both universes. In 40k, they created - or brought intelligence to - many different races including the eldar, orks, and much later, I think, humans. The Necron'tyr, manipulated by a few of the godlike energy beings known as the C'tan, became jealous of the Old Ones' long lifespans and sought to annihilate them.

[Hotcod]

A friend who's much more a lore buff than me was saying the warp and chaos are not inherently bad but just represent parts of intelligent life so there are "good" chaos goods as well as the evil... the emperor becoming an embodiment of the chaos god of hope... which has been trapped by the way they are keeping him alive and that if he was to die his realise would bring balance back to the universe... so that the humans are in effect sending the whole universe down the drain... he might have just been talking rubbish and i know i'm not remembering it right heh

But back on topic again i think your probably right if order ends up with wood elfs and more humans than that makes 3 human based 'races' and 3 elf based 'races' over all which would make sense

[ClannerDelta]

Ugh, no Chaos Dwarfs. They were a terrible idea, just like the Squats and Zoats.

As for the corpse Emperor. They've moved the recent lore into him taking the place of Malal, since they haven't mentioned him since the Daemon manuals. They seem to be painting Him as Chaos' final aspect. It's opposition to itself. Which takes the form of the Imperium.

[Hotcod]

ah that may be what he was going on about... it was a while ago and we where drunk and i may be getting confused with some other thing :D

[Ghostbear]

Ugh, no Chaos Dwarfs. They were a terrible idea, just like the Squats and Zoats.

As for the corpse Emperor. They've moved the recent lore into him taking the place of Malal, since they haven't mentioned him since the Daemon manuals. They seem to be painting Him as Chaos' final aspect. It's opposition to itself. Which takes the form of the Imperium.

Hey I like the chaos dwarfs! As far as Emperor=Malal that makes sense to me.

[rifter]

Ugh, no Chaos Dwarfs. They were a terrible idea, just like the Squats and Zoats.

That is fine... as long as they bring back the Fimir, then all is good.

You know, ultimately, I wish they would add "arena" play... and make it Blood Bowl! I have NO CLUE how you could move Blood Bowl into an RvR/PvP arena... and make it fun...but god I would love to see it!!! :-)

Or, at least, the pitch that was discovered, and where Blood Bowl began. :-)

[ClannerDelta]

That is fine... as long as they bring back the Fimir, then all is good.

It's been a while, but aren't Fimir the ugly models that acted like Orcs but weren't nearly as cool?

[Vyzov]

Incidentally, the armies of Chaos could worship any of the four powers, including Slaneesh. It's an over-simplification that Chaos in WAR is all about Tzeentch. Khorne would have been more fun. AFAIK the green-skins worship Gork and Mork, not any Chaos powers.

Not so much and over-simplification. If they wanted to over-simplify it, it would be Chaos Undivided.

I think they chose Tzeentch, because if anyone on of the Chaos Gods were to decide to raise a huge army to effectively have a chance of destroying the empire, it would be Tzeentch. In fact, in WAR, there seems to be a bit of an alliance between the forces of Chaos as in the inevitible city you can find the forces of Nurgle and Khorne. (Haven't seen any followers of Slaneesh in there) Tzeentch has been known to make temporary alliances.

When the armies of Chaos march together for war, it is usually Tzeentch who instigates these brief alliances, for whatever unfathomable goal he happens to have planned. WAR is no exception.

[Hotcod]

(Haven't seen any followers of Slaneesh in there).

Again... boobies... shame they didn't go out and up the age rating of the game

[Ghostbear]

There is a whole section devoted to slaanesh, its on the opposite side of the khorne area.

[Kryopsis]

Haven't seen any followers of Slaneesh in there.

I bet they are in-game but are too busy doing M- and AO-rated things behind the scenes. :0)

[Vyzov]

There is a whole section devoted to slaanesh, its on the opposite side of the khorne area.

Really? I must of missed it. I've walked all around the arena and in the various passageways. Oh, actually I do remember a Slaneesh area. The very southernmost point of the city.

[Hotcod]

unless there are orgies and boobies and the giant slaneesh monster i don't care

[Loki]

This has gotten me really intrigued about the whole Warhammer (and 40k background).

If one is to look into the lore and history of either universe (which one is more fun to read about, anyways?), but not interested in the Table Top stiff; where you send him?

[Vyzov]

Warhammer 40K: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page
Warhammer FB: http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

[Savok]

Interesting thoughts Savok, but Skaven actually worship the Great Horned Rat (I know, I'm geeking out here, but bear with me.) The fact that Clan Pestilens is all about disease doesn't mean they automatically worship Nurgle.

Incidentally, the armies of Chaos could worship any of the four powers, including Slaneesh. It's an over-simplification that Chaos in WAR is all about Tzeentch. Khorne would have been more fun. AFAIK the green-skins worship Gork and Mork, not any Chaos powers.
Yes, I know all that, I even have a Horned Rat miniature (a demon avatar thing).

From Wikipedia

* Khorne - God of Hate, Rage, Blood, Violence, War, and Killing
* Tzeentch - God of Change, Lies, Hope, Ambition, Manipulation, Scheming and Sorcery
* Nurgle - God of Decay, Despair, Stagnation, Destruction, and Disease
* Slaanesh - God of Decadence, Excess, Pain, Pleasure and Self-indulgence

Orcs and Gobbos, while not worshiping Khorne, epitomize him. Dark Elves fell because of Slaanesh.

Tzeentch was chosen for the game I suspect because he was the most visually and textually interesting of all the gods. He's the fucking God of Change, we have a class here with a shapeshifting arm.

Which leaves Nurgle and the Skaven. Clan Pestilens' worship of Nurgle aside, they're giant fucking rat people who exist in plague proportions in city sewers (among other places), not to mention the often times horrific effects of warpstone.

[Libuke]

Dark Elves fell because of Slaanesh.



I think you are thinking of Eldar and Dark Eldar as there opulence is suggested as creating the chaos god Slannesh and opening the Eye of Terror.

I thought in Warhammer fantasy it was because the king used the sword of khaine forever cursing his bloodline that caused the Dark Elves to "form" through the civil war and such.

[Ghostbear]

Yes, I know all that, I even have a Horned Rat miniature (a demon avatar thing).

From Wikipedia

* Khorne - God of Hate, Rage, Blood, Violence, War, and Killing
* Tzeentch - God of Change, Lies, Hope, Ambition, Manipulation, Scheming and Sorcery
* Nurgle - God of Decay, Despair, Stagnation, Destruction, and Disease
* Slaanesh - God of Decadence, Excess, Pain, Pleasure and Self-indulgence

Orcs and Gobbos, while not worshiping Khorne, epitomize him. Dark Elves fell because of Slaanesh.

Tzeentch was chosen for the game I suspect because he was the most visually and textually interesting of all the gods. He's the fucking God of Change, we have a class here with a shapeshifting arm.

Which leaves Nurgle and the Skaven. Clan Pestilens' worship of Nurgle aside, they're giant fucking rat people who exist in plague proportions in city sewers (among other places), not to mention the often times horrific effects of warpstone.
You're assuming that the chaos gods are the only ones to exist in the campaign. That is simply not true.
The dark elves despise slaanesh cultists.

[Savok]

You're assuming that the chaos gods are the only ones to exist in the campaign. That is simply not true.
The dark elves despise slaanesh cultists.
Ok it was poorly worded but Slaanesh was involved. When Elves turn to Chaos, that's who they turn to.

And fuck's sake I know they're not the only Gods, but when you run a Chaos tabletop game those are the 4 you have to choose from. When dealing with 99% of Warhammer related things, those are the 4 big bad gods out to ruin everyone's shit, including each others.

[RandoM51]

I might subscribe when this hits. As things stand now I've seen most of the PvE---at least from the Destruction side---and playing Serpent's whatever over and over again isn't doing it for me in terms of PvP/RvR.

If I do resubscribe I think I'll make a character on an open RvR server this time around as there are plenty of places in Chaos and Greenskin lands where the factions overlap quite a bit, something curiously absent from most of the Dark Elf storyline.

[QueQueg]

Way to bring us back on topic Random. I had to look back four pages to remember what the OP was.

I will be rolling a Blackguard for sure. I am quite happy with the BO that I rolled last night, however, so I'll have to weigh both to see who stays around.