Exclusive GTA4 360 content.

[RandoM51]

Well, where is it? I've not heard anything new in ages.

[Wedge]

This (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=146825) was the last I heard of it.

...episodic content for Grand Theft Auto IV on Xbox 360 has been delayed from fiscal Q4 2008 to Q1 2009, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

In real terms, that means you can expect to see it pop up on Xbox Live during the three months from November to January inclusive, instead of "autumn" as had previously been touted

[Gorvi]

It'll be out when most people have either traded in, forgotten about, or just plain stopped caring about the game. Hasn't that already happened?

[JayVe]

It'll be out when most people have either traded in, forgotten about, or just plain stopped caring about the game. Hasn't that already happened?

I'll have to dig through my Game Developer mags, cause I swear I recently read an article about how the promise of DLC is helping consumers hold onto titles longer. It prevents the play-and-trade mentality that hurts some titles like Assassin's Creed and Devil May Cry. Burnout was another big winner due in large part to the promise of bikes. The promise of bikes and additional content keeps people from swapping it out for something else.

[Gorvi]

I'll have to dig through my Game Developer mags, cause I swear I recently read an article about how the promise of DLC is helping consumers hold onto titles longer. It prevents the play-and-trade mentality that hurts some titles like Assassin's Creed and Devil May Cry. Burnout was another big winner due in large part to the promise of bikes. The promise of bikes and additional content keeps people from swapping it out for something else.
For Burnout, yeah, because they did it regularly. Here we are, though, 6 months after release, and no GTA4 DLC. People are impatient.

[RandoM51]

It'll be out when most people have either traded in, forgotten about, or just plain stopped caring about the game. Hasn't that already happened?

Pretty much. I'm going to trade in both of my copies(ps3 and 360) for Saints Row 2.

[MalReynolds]

not comin By'

[Commissar Rob]

Well, where is it? I've not heard anything new in ages.
DLV? Downloadable Vaporware? Isn't Fallout promising the same thing for the 360 version? I hope they do a better job of delivering the goods...

[Yeti2005]

DLV? Downloadable Vaporware? Isn't Fallout promising the same thing for the 360 version? I hope they do a better job of delivering the goods...

From the rumors the DLC COULD be either an entire new island or possibly a new city (doubtful) which would explain why it's taking so long. I know a fair amount of people who are excited about new content for GTA.

[Commissar Rob]

From the rumors the DLC COULD be either an entire new island or possibly a new city (doubtful) which would explain why it's taking so long. I know a fair amount of people who are excited about new content for GTA.
Maybe, but what feels so odd about this situation is how hard they pushed this content...and now how quiet they've become.

It's quiet. Too quiet.

I'm excited to see what they do...but I'm getting more skeptical the longer this takes. Here's to, hopefully, being proven wrong ;)

[TheFlyingOrc]

It'll be out when most people have either traded in, forgotten about, or just plain stopped caring about the game. Hasn't that already happened?

Unfortunately, no. People care a lot about GTA, because they are stupid.

[Telefrog]

Unfortunately, no. People care a lot about GTA, because they are stupid.

Yes, if they care about it, they must be stupid. It can't possibly be because despite the internerd backlash, it is a good game. :rolleyes:

[Suave Peanut]

Yes, if they care about it, they must be stupid. It can't possibly be because despite the internerd backlash, it is a good game. :rolleyes:
No, no, no... you got it backwards! It's not "if they care, then they are stupid," it is "if they are stupid, then they care!"

[Loki_09]

I should have traded this game in as soon as I unlocked all the single player achievements, which was only a month or two after release. I probably would have gotten more for it. DLC released after the massive onslaught of quality games this fall is going to fall on mostly deaf ears I think.

[MalReynolds]

people sell it now and pick it up again when the DLC comes

[Telefrog]

people sell it now and pick it up again when the DLC comes

Your advice is to sell the game most people bought for full price and get 20%-30% of that money back, then when the DLC comes out, to buy it again or rent and purchase the DLC? :confused:

[JayVe]

Your advice is to sell the game most people bought for full price and get 20%-30% of that money back, then when the DLC comes out, to buy it again or rent and purchase the DLC? :confused:

Exactly why the promise of extensive DLC works to keep people from trading in their games. Who wants to throw that money away? That is not unlike trading in your console between big-budget releases. Sure, you COULD, but you'd lose money each time.

Developers want you to buy their games, and they want you to pay full price. If they design a game that will delay you from trading it in, then there will be fewer used copies on shelves. The fewer the used copies are available, the greater the likelihood that people will buy it new instead. Mission Accomplished

Right now, this is what I know of in terms of upcoming exclusive DLC for cross-platform titles:

PS3:
Mirror's Edge

360:
Fallout 3
Tomb Raider
GTA 4

Any others I am missing?

[Durka-Dan]

I'll have to dig through my Game Developer mags, cause I swear I recently read an article about how the promise of DLC is helping consumers hold onto titles longer. It prevents the play-and-trade mentality that hurts some titles like Assassin's Creed and Devil May Cry. Burnout was another big winner due in large part to the promise of bikes. The promise of bikes and additional content keeps people from swapping it out for something else.

Game developers need to adapt to consumer trends. I don't think anybody seriously wants to buy a $60 game that takes 5 hours to beat and has nothing left to offer. It's getting to the point where I would say to the developers to not even bother putting together a single player 5 hour campaign, with nothing to encourage a second playthrough, and still expect great sales off an old popular franchise. To me, GTA4 was a downgrade from GTA3.

Edit: I know the GTA4 campaign is longer than 5 hours. Just an example. though the game was the shortest GTA I've ever played.

[JayVe]

Interestingly enough, online multiplayer is the other big item that helps reduce trade-ins. If a game has a healthy community of players online, people are less likely to trade it in. That's why single-player affairs like Heavenly Sword, Assassin's Creed (no multiplayer, no DLC) are so prevalent at game stores. Next time you are near GameStop, duck in and ask the person behind the counter to look up how many copies they have of Assassin's Creed (both systems). It is probably close to 20.

[Iron Past]

Well, I'm seeing ads start to pop up on TV again, so maybe they're nearing an announcement.

[Johan]

Developers want you to buy their games, and they want you to pay full price.

I'm patient. A good game continues to be a good game for years afterward, and the bad/mediocre ones fade away.

Average price I pay for new? Under $20.

[JayVe]

I'm patient. A good game continues to be a good game for years afterward, and the bad/mediocre ones fade away.

Average price I pay for new? Under $20.

I agree completely. I'm patient too, and love the feel of picking up a bargain. Hell, I consider finding great games at excellent prices a game itself!

Developers still WANT you to pay full price for a game. They also didn't take into account the finances of someone who is raising their own army! ;)

[Gorvi]

Well, I'm seeing ads start to pop up on TV again, so maybe they're nearing an announcement.
I have too. They're for the PS3/360 version with a "Coming Soon on PC" tag.

[Hemalin]

I have too. They're for the PS3/360 version with a "Coming Soon on PC" tag.
They're probably doing whatever they can to stop Saints Row from getting too big of a foothold in the genre.

[biosc1]

You can always play the upcoming XBox Originals downloadable version of San Andreas that's coming to keep you all busy ;)

[Dukefrukem]

Pretty much. I'm going to trade in both of my copies(ps3 and 360) for Saints Row 2.

Same here. After trophy support comes out.

[Gorvi]

They're probably doing whatever they can to stop Saints Row from getting too big of a foothold in the genre.
I think the SR advertising team is doing that for them, at least if they run any of those god awful Gary Bussey (or however you spell his name) trailers they've made in publich. Ugh, those are terrible.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yes, if they care about it, they must be stupid. It can't possibly be because despite the internerd backlash, it is a good game. :rolleyes:
Ah, yes - As someone who beat GTA4, I wouldn't know this.

I beat the game, and the amount of praise heaped on what is, at best, a mediocre product is annoying.

[National Kato]

I'm patient. A good game continues to be a good game for years afterward...

Unless a majority of the game's 'goodness' comes from multiplayer. A year later? Sure, you'll find people playing...but 'years?' Not likely.

[bapenguin]

Expect it after the PC Version launches. Remember, that's GFW Live. :)

[Telefrog]

Unless a majority of the game's 'goodness' comes from multiplayer. A year later? Sure, you'll find people playing...but 'years?' Not likely.

Halo 2, Battlefield 2, StarCraft, Diablo II, Quake III, Counterstrike, etc all called and said "Hi."

[National Kato]

Halo 2, Battlefield 2, StarCraft, Diablo II, Quake III, Counterstrike, etc all called and said "Hi."

Granted, I'm referring to console games. Those PC guys'll play anything forever. ;) Besides, I didn't say no one was playing them. Just not as many of your quality friends. I don't enjoy playing with a bunch of strangers as much...and I'm not even sure how much online gaming Johan does.

How many people are playing Halo 2 these days, really? I don't own my copy anymore to check. :D

[Telefrog]

Granted, I'm referring to console games. Those PC guys'll play anything forever. ;) Besides, I didn't say no one was playing them. Just not as many of your quality friends. I don't enjoy playing with a bunch of strangers as much...and I'm not even sure how much online gaming Johan does.

How many people are playing Halo 2 these days, really? I don't own my copy anymore to check. :D

Well, to be more on-topic, I fired up GTA IV last night and the multiplayer scene is still pretty busy.

We have a tendancy to get pretty myopic here on gaming forums. Remember back in '06 when "real gamers" made fun of the folks that were still playing Halo 2 online? That didn't stop it from being the #1 online game on Live until Halo 3 and CoD4 came out.

[TheFlyingOrc]

We have a tendancy to get pretty myopic here on gaming forums. Remember back in '06 when "real gamers" made fun of the folks that were still playing Halo 2 online? That didn't stop it from being the #1 online game on Live until Halo 3 and CoD4 came out.
What about them still playing old games means we shouldn't mock them for playing old games?

[National Kato]

Well, to be more on-topic, I fired up GTA IV last night and the multiplayer scene is still pretty busy.


That's good news for me, since I still have MP stuff to try out in that game.

[Johan]

What about them still playing old games means we shouldn't mock them for playing old games?

I think people who spend full retail for games should, generally, be mercilessly mocked. $50+ is a ridiculous rip-off. A year later, most of them are $20-30. Some, sooner than that. Including AAA titles.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I think people who spend full retail for games should, generally, be mercilessly mocked. $50+ is a ridiculous rip-off. A year later, most of them are $20-30. Some, sooner than that. Including AAA titles.

Some of us like talking with other people about what we're playing.

[National Kato]

That's alright, Johan's just jazzed because he's totally getting into that new Beatles White Album. ;)

[Johan]

Unless a majority of the game's 'goodness' comes from multiplayer.

Very legitimate point. Personally, it's not an issue for me, because I have all but given up multiplayer. It's just not worth it to me; filled with pre-teen and teen-angst, too many people getting pissy about supposed screw-ups and/or the like.

It's akin to swimming in a cesspool to me; sure, I might find something nice floating once in a while, but the stench isn't something I want to deal with. Single-player and private matches only for me.

Some of us like talking with other people about what we're playing.

People don't talk about year-old or two-year-old games? :confused: I know I do.

[Gorvi]

Some games are worth the $60 asking price. The vast majority are not. Probably why I've only bought one $60 game so far this year.

[JayVe]

Very legitimate point. Personally, it's not an issue for me, because I have all but given up multiplayer. It's just not worth it to me; filled with pre-teen and teen-angst, too many people getting pissy about supposed screw-ups and/or the like.

It's akin to swimming in a cesspool to me; sure, I might find something nice floating once in a while, but the stench isn't something I want to deal with. Single-player and private matches only for me.



People don't talk about year-old or two-year-old games? :confused: I know I do.
Well Johan, you are raising your own multiplayer crowd. That's AWESOME as I LOVE playing games with my family. I'm sure your kids will have varied enough taste to keep you occupied for a LONG time.

And yes, I like games that are exceptional despite age and time. :D

[crazyD]

not comin By'

Man, you have to start posting things that make sense. You are on a classy board, save that crap for Youtube comments.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Some games are worth the $60 asking price. The vast majority are not. Probably why I've only bought one $60 game so far this year.

Well, $60 is worth varying amounts depending on who you are. You can't really use a blanket statement like that for everybody.

[Gorvi]

Well, $60 is worth varying amounts depending on who you are. You can't really use a blanket statement like that for everybody.
Oh, I just meant for me. Some people will throw $60 at mediocre games every week or two like it's nothing. Then again, they probably don't even come close to finishing most of them either.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Oh, I just meant for me. Some people will throw $60 at mediocre games every week or two like it's nothing. Then again, they probably don't even come close to finishing most of them either.

I'm OK with paying that much, as long as I don't do it too often.

The occasional big game plus little XBLA releases is doing me pretty well so far. :)

[Durka-Dan]

It's akin to swimming in a cesspool to me...

I'm having a hard time relating to this analogy. Have you done this before?

[National Kato]

I'm having a hard time relating to this analogy. Have you done this before?

I was more befuddled with his mention of finding 'something nice' floating in there once in awhile. Like, maybe, a really 'nice' turd? :confused:

[Deadend]

Microsoft must not be happy.

I was a bit shocked about how fast I got tired of GTA IV MP mode.

To keep games popular, maybe larger companies should look into in addation to Paid/Free DLC, to combine projects. Say Assassins Cred 2 tied with a MP only game.

[Johan]

Some games are worth the $60 asking price.

Precious few. Most games are really just disposable entertainment, after all. Some of them are true gems that deserve praise and a high price. Many are just fun and done. Even more are just dreck.

I can't picture the next game I'll pay full price for. Even Gears, a game I greatly enjoy, will wait.

[JayVe]

Looks like the exclusive GTA content is coming prior to January (http://www.videogamer.com/news/31-10-2008-9822.html).

Speaking to VideoGamer.com in an interview to be published next week, McGill revealed that Rockstar has said it will be out in its next quarter, which runs from November to the end of January, but stopped short of revealing the exact date.

When asked for clarification, McGill replied: "Rockstar has said it's in their next quarter, which runs from November to the end of January. It's obviously Rockstar's product so I will refer you to them to find out when they're ready to start talking more about it. I obviously know, I'm very excited. So, yeah. Talk to them."

We tried to squeeze some info out of McGill regarding perhaps the most anticipated DLC of all time, but all we could get was: "What little I know I can't even share with you or your readers. I'm very happy, so that's all I'm going to say. Rockstar are amazing developers, GTA is an amazing franchise. I think they'll do their franchise proud."

[Variable Gear]

I don't give a fuck about this content. I predict that all it's going to be is another broken island to find unnecessary missions on. Based on the core game, this isn't something I'd be willing to pay extra for.
Microsoft must not be happy.

I was a bit shocked about how fast I got tired of GTA IV MP mode.

To keep games popular, maybe larger companies should look into in addation to Paid/Free DLC, to combine projects. Say Assassins Cred 2 tied with a MP only game.
How about Ubisoft just kills that series outright. It was an abomination.

[Disgustipated]

I don't give a fuck about this content. I predict that all it's going to be is another broken island to find unnecessary missions on. Based on the core game, this isn't something I'd be willing to pay extra for.

How about Ubisoft just kills that series outright. It was an abomination.

Assassin's Creed was pretty awesome. Just needed more variety in the gameplay!

[carnage11]

Assassin's Creed was pretty awesome. Just needed more variety in the gameplay!

I agree. I loved Assassin's Creed. I played through it twice actually and each time I did everything. Well the first time I didn't get the flags but the second time I did. Got 1000/1000 in that game. I also loved GTA4. Played that for 2 or 3 months straight. Got most of the achievements, all but the stupid online ones anyways.

I'm pretty excited about this content. I was looking for another reason to play it again. Though I'm pretty busy with Fallout 3 right now. Maybe this will come out just in time for me to be done with Fallout 3 for a while. Damn, I still gotta play Dead Space and Fable 2 though. So many games.....so little time.:(

[squirrelTactics]

How about Ubisoft just kills that series outright. It was an abomination.

If I were to take a wild guess, I would probably say that it's because there are gamers in the world besides you who loved the game.


But I dunno, that's just me.

[Variable Gear]

If I were to take a wild guess, I would probably say that it's because there are gamers in the world besides you who loved the game.


But I dunno, that's just me.
But I'm a hardcore gamer who owns a 360, which means I make the rules.

Get in line.

[Blue]

I really want Vice City with the new engine and I want 80s music. I think anything short of that and I'm going to weep. I'll still play it, but just weep now while I do.

[carnage11]

I really want Vice City with the new engine and I want 80s music. I think anything short of that and I'm going to weep. I'll still play it, but just weep now while I do.

I have a strange tingling in my nuts that GTA 5 might just be a return to Vice City. ;)

At least that's what I'm hoping for. But, really, will it ever be able to compare to Vice City? That game just seems to be the pinnacle of the GTA serious and I can imagine it will be very difficult to top, even with better graphics.

[Dukefrukem]

I don't give a fuck about this content. I predict that all it's going to be is another broken island to find unnecessary missions on. Based on the core game, this isn't something I'd be willing to pay extra for.

How about Ubisoft just kills that series outright. It was an abomination.

Did anyone expect anything different?

[Variable Gear]

Did anyone expect anything different?
I hope not. And I hope they understand that they are not allowed to like something I dislike.

[Victorvonviolence]

Bait and switch

Bait and fucking switch

[EternalGamer]

GTAIV was the biggest waste of money I spent on a game this past year. I played all the way through the single player game and kept waiting for it to become truly enjoyable. They actually made the missions WORSE than previous games due to the way they crippled your ability to approach it your own way. You could often no longer block off paths with cars ahead of time, or find your own way into a building or take your own path. And the stupid "chase" scenes were only over when they decided they were over. It didn't matter how much you shot at the people you were chasing.

The gameplay was actually more glitchy and repetitive than previous games. Most of the missions were incredibly generic and of the "fetch" or "chase" variety. The only memorable mission in the game was the bank heist.

They couldn't get me to buy this extra comment if they promised me a dozen Hot Coffee blowjobs.

[KingGorilla]

You can stop playing a game. It is easy, and you get to swear. But to be fair, if you did not expect mindless, droning, senseless bullshit as the core theme of GTA4, there is no one to blame but yourself man.

[EternalGamer]

You can stop playing a game. It is easy, and you get to swear. But to be fair, if you did not expect mindless, droning, senseless bullshit as the core theme of GTA4, there is no one to blame but yourself man.

Well, given all the absurd hyperbolic reviews that compared it to great literature and film, I think I could be forgiven for having high expectations out of the narrative.

However, I never did expect much out of the story (and it was a good thing too). My real complaint about the game is that it is less of a "sandbox" than even the previous GTA games. It didn't expand the gameplay, it limited it more (see the aformentioned examples). I want a GTA game where I can just walk into a Grocery Store or Bank and hold it up. Or where I can stake out a drug dealer on my own after asking around town and ambush his big deal. The GTA world is basically a glorified Super Mario Bros world map where you have to go to the "hot spots" (i.e. levels) to go to the real missions. The only thing you can really do in the world is drive fast and shoot people and there are no real consequences or effects on the world if you do either of those things.

The only series that I can think of that has evolved less than GTA and demonstrated a larger degree of bankruptcy in terms of new ideas and gameplay concepts is the Halo series.

[Johan]

The only series that I can think of that has evolved less than GTA and demonstrated a larger degree of bankruptcy in terms of new ideas and gameplay concepts is the Halo series.

*Four player co-op done better than any other game I'm aware of.
*Forge.
*Theater "clips" of in-game action.

Halo 3 may not be the bees knees, but it's put into its package some features that other games have struggled with emulating well.

[KingGorilla]

*Four player co-op done better than any other game I'm aware of.
*Forge.
*Theater "clips" of in-game action.

Halo 3 may not be the bees knees, but it's put into its package some features that other games have struggled with emulating well.

I will just say this:
Long list of PC games.

[Johan]

I will just say this:
Long list of PC games.

Pointless.

We're talking about two console games here...GTA IV and Halo.

There are no other console games that have done what Halo has done. I don't care about the PC because I'm not referring to it. On consoles, in terms of features, Halo 3 has put together a package that other titles struggle to accomplish.

[Dukefrukem]

*Four player co-op done better than any other game I'm aware of.


Soon to be beat by Left 4 Dead.

[KamaItachi]

Soon to be beat by Left 4 Dead.

Nothing wrong to coming in second to zombies.

I have to agree with those who are sceptical about this new DLC. I'd not be too upset if it was not much more than new missions as long as they were decent, but if it maintains the uninspired nature of the game proper, I'll pass quite happily. There's more than enough for me to play this Christmas.

[EternalGamer]

*Four player co-op done better than any other game I'm aware of.
*Forge.
*Theater "clips" of in-game action.

Halo 3 may not be the bees knees, but it's put into its package some features that other games have struggled with emulating well.

Angel food cake dressed up is still angel food cake. Yeah, the co-op was well done. Too bad the game you are playing co-op has little in the way of new ideas or even new enemies or environments. The Scarab fights are the only real new addition the game brought.

[Blue]

I have a strange tingling in my nuts that GTA 5 might just be a return to Vice City. ;)

At least that's what I'm hoping for. But, really, will it ever be able to compare to Vice City? That game just seems to be the pinnacle of the GTA serious and I can imagine it will be very difficult to top, even with better graphics.

I hope you mean DLC and not GTA 5. I'd go crazy waiting lol.

And yeah, Vice City really was the best of the bunch. Nothing compares to doing a drive-by to Animotion.