Who is Joe the Plumber? [Archive]

squirrelTactics

10-15-2008, 07:13 PM

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Widgetcraft

10-15-2008, 07:15 PM

According to John McCain, Joe the Plumber makes more than 250k a year.

Fucking awesome plumbing business... let me tell you.

Well, what McCain doesn't tell you is that Joe the Plumber (of Joe's Plumbing & Carpentry) has offices in many states across the midwest, and pulls in many millions of dollars per year. At least, that is the scenario I'm imagining.

Durka-Dan

10-15-2008, 07:16 PM

I heard Joe the Plumber lives next to Joe six-pack.

iHap

10-15-2008, 07:28 PM

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pseudopseudo

10-15-2008, 07:30 PM

Zeke the Plumber's brother?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/dewcifer/zeke.jpg

pseudopseudo

10-15-2008, 07:31 PM

According to John McCain, Joe the Plumber makes more than 250k a year.

Fucking awesome plumbing business... let me tell you.

Plumbing generally does pull in a lot of cash. Not $250K a year (maybe with a chain of shops in a big city), but good money, usually.

iHap

10-15-2008, 07:31 PM

Plumbing generally does pull in a lot of cash. Not $250K a year (maybe with a chain of shops in a big city), but good money, usually.
This one does.
http://www.hot-screensaver.com/wp-myimages/sexy-plumber.jpg

Widgetcraft

10-15-2008, 07:34 PM

Zeke the Plumber's brother?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/dewcifer/zeke.jpg

Holy shit... blast from the fucking past.

Zero

10-15-2008, 07:46 PM

So... according to McCain, oil rigs can be dropped off-shore SimCity style. That's pretty cool.

Widgetcraft

10-15-2008, 07:52 PM

I'm gonna watch some Sons of Anarchy... McCain is being extra creepy tonight with those cynical smiles of his, and I've already heard this shit before.

Zero

10-15-2008, 07:55 PM

I'm gonna watch some Sons of Anarchy... McCain is being extra creepy tonight with those cynical smiles of his, and I've already heard this shit before.

That's a probably a good call. I'll probably watch the repeat of SoA at 10. I'm looking forward to Jax beating the shit outta ATF dude.

Lint of Death

10-15-2008, 07:57 PM

There you go again Joe, with your plumbin' and getting simultaneously taxed and not taxed by Barack Obama!

JRR006

10-15-2008, 08:00 PM

I tried to watch tonight - I just can't. I'm so tired of hearing both of them talk.

Scaryfaced

10-15-2008, 08:00 PM

I kinda like this debate. They're bicking more, but they're addressing more issues directly and actually explaining some of their rhetoric. Its a little more enlightening this time around. Plus, McCain can't wonder far is he's sitting.
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squirrelTactics

10-15-2008, 08:01 PM

I love that quick little bit at the end of Obama's rant about his healthcare.

"That includes you, Joe."

Radioguy9698

10-15-2008, 08:14 PM

I really want to meet this highly influential fellow.

http://bucketbros.com/text/photorealism-bob-hoskins.jpg

squirrelTactics

10-15-2008, 08:16 PM

Holy shit McCain blinks a lot.

astranoir

10-15-2008, 08:18 PM

Holy shit McCain blinks a lot.

He's sending messages in Morse code.

squirrelTactics

10-15-2008, 08:20 PM

God dammit McCain. You almost went an entire debate without saying that dreaded phrase.

KingGorilla

10-15-2008, 08:20 PM

Zeke the Plumber's brother?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/dewcifer/zeke.jpg

Justin wins.

Johan

10-15-2008, 08:21 PM

I want to know what either of them are going to actually do for me. Answer? Not a damn thing. I'm expendable. So are most of you, as well.

I need a plan to become a large multi-state/multi-national corporation/bank, so I can go broke and make sweet change.

Typical Michael

10-15-2008, 08:31 PM

Thanks for bringing up Zeke the Plumber, cause thats the first thing I thought about.

Wraith

10-15-2008, 08:33 PM

So... according to McCain, oil rigs can be dropped off-shore SimCity style. That's pretty cool.Geez, now I want to be able to do that in SimCity. I also want to be able to place some coastal wind turbines and piss off oceanfront homeowners.

I think you could do some kind of oil rig in SimIsle...

http://www.juegomania.org/SimIsle:+Missions+in+the+Rainforest/fotos/pc/4/4441_t/Foto+SimIsle:+Missions+in+the+Rainforest.jpg

inmostlight

10-15-2008, 08:33 PM

Just in case you wanted a serious answer, this is Joe the Plumber:
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Zero

10-15-2008, 08:44 PM

Yeah... Joe quit listening after "Yes, I'm raising your taxes."

BLeeP

10-15-2008, 08:50 PM

Zeke the Plumber's brother?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/dewcifer/zeke.jpg

Awesome as all get out. Zeke the Plumber was the very first thing I thought of when I saw the topic title.

Inspector Fowler

10-15-2008, 08:52 PM

Just in case you wanted a serious answer, this is Joe the Plumber:

That is not as fun. I actually thought a candidate had used Joe the Plumber as a metaphor. Now I am worried that the guy from The Shield is a plumber and he's coming to fix my sink and kick the shit out of me.

Suave Peanut

10-15-2008, 08:54 PM

Halloween costume plan: Joe "Six-Pack" the Plumber

Generation ABXY

10-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Just in case you wanted a serious answer, this is Joe the Plumber...

Oh, good. You saved me the trouble. I actually thought the guy had some genuine concerns, but that could just be me. I can't get that video to load, but there is a nice follow-up video (where he is interviewed by another station) floating around, too.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:03 PM

So how was the debate? A brief synopsis will do to those who wanted to watch the Phillies v Dodgers game

Suave Peanut

10-15-2008, 09:05 PM

So how was the debate? A brief synopsis will do to those who wanted to watch the Phillies v Dodgers game
Summary:
rabble rabble snicker Joe the Plumber
rabble snicker rabble rabble Joe the Plumber
here's the facts rabble maverick

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:06 PM

Summary: Everyone likes taxes other people have to pay. Nobody likes taxes they have to pay themselves.

News at 11.

For Joe the Plumber, it was "you're taking more of my money." For Obama, it was "if we'd been doing this for years, you would have gotten more money from us, taken from others in your situation now..."

Translation:

Joe: Don't take my money. I don't want to give it to you.
Obama: We're taking your money to give to those less-well-off.

Whether it's a good plan or not? Probably depends on whether you're Joe the Plumber (bad plan! bad plan!), or poor (good plan! good plan!).

Generation ABXY

10-15-2008, 09:06 PM

I'll leave a blow-by-blow synopsis up to others, but in general, I think I can safely say that was probably the best debate out of the...four. Probably doesn't mean much like that, but the candidates were strong and on-point most of the time, and the moderator was leagues above those other clowns.

pseudopseudo

10-15-2008, 09:08 PM

Summary: Everyone likes taxes other people have to pay. Nobody likes taxes they have to pay themselves.

News at 11.

Exactly.

Joe the Plumber: "I don't get why I should pay more taxes just 'cause I make more money! I mean WTF man?"

Joe Six-Pack: "I barely have enough money to pay rent and bills - why should I have to pay the same taxes as Joe the Plumber? He's a douchebag anyhow."

Iron Past

10-15-2008, 09:14 PM

I couldn't stop staring into McCain's eyes... they looked like they wanted to swallow me. It was actually kind of creepy for some reason. But yeah, much better debate than the others. Polls might be closer than they are if they were all like that, but I had already made up my mind anyway.

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 09:16 PM

Exactly.

Joe the Plumber: "I don't get why I should pay more taxes just 'cause I make more money! I mean WTF man?"

Joe Six-Pack: "I barely have enough money to pay rent and bills - why should I have to pay the same taxes as Joe the Plumber? He's a douchebag anyhow."

Joe the Plumber: I buy a business, try to make something of myself and you want to raise my taxes? Why should I buy the business then?

Joe Six-pack: I spent my money on booze, I don't pay any taxes, the government ought to cut me a goddamn check so I can have some more kids*.

Joe M.D.: I make more than $250k so my taxes get raised, you want to cut Medicare payments so I'm reimbursed less, you want to make it so everyone's on a health care plan that already doesn't reimburse properly, you want to increase staff costs (who are likely getting the aforementioned check from the IRS), I already have $100,000 of debt accrued from going to school that I get no "assistance" on, and you want to make it easier for people to sue me. FUCK YOU.

*no offense meant to Johan.

Iron Past

10-15-2008, 09:16 PM

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:17 PM

*no offense meant to Johan.

Why would I be offended? I'm reasonably well off, AND like to drink! :) The kids thing? Bah...no problem.

PathMaster

10-15-2008, 09:21 PM

McCain was blinking like a mad man. Freaky, when he shifted his eyes while he blinked.

Best debate so far for me, although the VP one is close.

McCain started out great, then got marred, then went flat.
Obama started out really flat, did not get marred, then did great.

Honestly, McCain just sweats contempt for Obama. He damn near refused to even look at Obama. Joe Plumber discussion was just plain stupid. They went back and forth at each other after every single thing, which they then refuted, then they went back to it again.

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 09:26 PM

Why would I be offended? I'm reasonably well off, AND like to drink! :) The kids thing? Bah...no problem.

Some people don't like it suggested that procreation is used to improve one's welfare state.

Also, in full disclosure, I added Joe M.D., though the salary is anticipatory.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:30 PM

Joe M.D.: I make more than $250k so my taxes get raised, you want to cut Medicare payments so I'm reimbursed less, you want to make it so everyone's on a health care plan that already doesn't reimburse properly, you want to increase staff costs (who are likely getting the aforementioned check from the IRS), I already have $100,000 of debt accrued from going to school that I get no "assistance" on, and you want to make it easier for people to sue me. FUCK YOU.

*no offense meant to Johan.

I'll admit, tort reform is one issue the next president should address. Cap pain & suffering damages, cap liability damages, etc.

As for Medicare payments, well, that's harder to fix...more people becoming old and fewer workers to contribute to OASDI...so you either raise the OASDI tax rate, cut payments, or both....or stop letting Congress raid the cookie jar and never put funds back in that were borrowed for other projects.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:31 PM

Also, in full disclosure, I added Joe M.D., though the salary is anticipatory.

Can I be your accountant & financial advisor then?

What's your specialty or are you not in med school yet or undecided on a specialty?

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:32 PM

Some people don't like it suggested that procreation is used to improve one's welfare state.

You know, that's actually something I just don't think of. Yes, I do get a tax cut benefit from the kids, but it's negligible compared with the cost of actually having the kids. In fact, I easily spent more on just the birth of my newborn than I will collect in tax cuts in the next few years. Just on the birth costs (home births aren't free).

I suppose if I starved my kids, left them stupid, toothless, unclothed, and savage...I could make out like a bandit. It never occurred to me, and will probably never again! :)

Also, interestingly, in my wonderful state, children are not a deduction after the age of six. I suppose they stop costing money then! :)

Suave Peanut

10-15-2008, 09:34 PM

I suppose if I starved my kids, left them stupid, toothless, unclothed, and savage...I could make out like a bandit. It never occurred to me, and will probably never again! :)
This makes you stand out from the others in the South, eh?

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:37 PM

This makes you stand out from the others in the South, eh?

It's tough to blend in. We blacken our teeth when we go out, to fit in...draped in a confederate flag, and whistlin' Dixie.

Oh, do I hate that flag...

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Flat Tax FTW. But I'm no politician, so... :)

I personally wouldn't be against a flat tax as long as does away w/ inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, etc etc.

Course a flat tax rate makes taxes so easy that it puts hundreds of thousands of people in my profession out of a job.

Brady

10-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Just in case you wanted a serious answer, this is Joe the Plumber:
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That was very close to me.... Two days ago Obama gave a speech in Toledo then went out door to door canvasing in Holland, Ohio (suburb of Toledo). Obama was knocking on doors like 10 min away from my house.

Imagine opening a door to Barack Obama w/ a few news crews with him? How do you react? Do you put your pants on? Or are the pants still optional?

Suave Peanut

10-15-2008, 09:40 PM

It's tough to blend in. We blacken our teeth when we go out, to fit in...draped in a confederate flag, and whistlin' Dixie.

Oh, do I hate that flag...
Concerning "blending in" in the South, do you ever slip into a fake-Southern accent when talking to people, so that they understand/relate to you better? I find myself doing it subconsciously and it's a hard habit to break.

Unless you have a genuine accent, in which case I meant no offense, of course!

pseudopseudo

10-15-2008, 09:40 PM

Or are the pants still optional?

Pants are ALWAYS optional.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:40 PM

It's tough to blend in. We blacken our teeth when we go out, to fit in...draped in a confederate flag, and whistlin' Dixie.

Oh, do I hate that flag...

Don't forget the straw hat, the piece of long grass in your mouth (the name of the particular bush escapes me at the moment) and a young baby in a potatoe sack as your "baby carrier"

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:42 PM

Concerning "blending in" in the South, do you ever slip into a fake-Southern accent when talking to people, so that they understand/relate to you better?

In fact, I do. Eighteen years in New York, four in Chicago, five in CT, and several in Korea...make me as un-Southern as possible, I suppose.

However, I do fit the conservative mindset more than I fit in elsewhere.

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 09:42 PM

Can I be your accountant & financial advisor then?

What's your specialty or are you not in med school yet or undecided on a specialty?

I've narrowed the specialties that I really think I'd like down to Anesthesiology and Interventional Radiology. Both are primarily procedure based but have some level of patient interaction (as opposed to diagnostic radio which really seems to be 0 contact, live in the reading room/cave) and both have some of the coolest toys I have ever seen.

Basically, my adviser told me to pick a specialty that makes me smile and these two are what I've seen so far. I still have several rotations left though.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:44 PM

I've narrowed the specialties that I really think I'd like down to Anesthesiology and Interventional Radiology.

Let's see then...if I remember correctly, those are both 5 year residency programs, correct?

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 09:48 PM

You know, that's actually something I just don't think of. Yes, I do get a tax cut benefit from the kids, but it's negligible compared with the cost of actually having the kids. In fact, I easily spent more on just the birth of my newborn than I will collect in tax cuts in the next few years. Just on the birth costs (home births aren't free).

See now, if you had those kids in a state facility you would have received an excellent standard of care (at least in Arkansas, all difficult pregnancies end up at our hospital) from a bunch of extremely talented, eager physicians and students. And it would be free, well free to you because you have no insurance and we have to accept you. (I swear to any deity listening, if I see another... let's just say I wish they would put birth control in the water sometimes. It's very frustrating watching people with no ability to take care of themselves have children).

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 09:49 PM

Let's see then...if I remember correctly, those are both 5 year residency programs, correct?

Anes. is 4 w/ a 1 year optional fellowship for sub-specialty (peds, neuro, cardio, etc). IR is itself a sub off of Radio and is 5 years total.

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:53 PM

I swear to any deity listening, if I see another... let's just say I wish they would put birth control in the water sometimes. It's very frustrating watching people with no ability to take care of themselves have children

Haha...always wanted to be a doctor but then I realized how often I would have to deal w/ those type of people and decided that #s can't frustrate you by their idiocy like humans can.

I guess this sounds harsh, but I just wouldn't be able to deal with having to associate w/ the scum of humanity (criminals, bigots, etc) from time to time. And while I realize that I likely run into either one, or both, during my daily life anyway, I don't knowingly do so nor interact w/ them (or if I do, again, I don't know about their past).

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:54 PM

And it would be free, well free to you because you have no insurance and we have to accept you.

There are many very good, very professional and capable medical institutions around here, and I have insurance. Very good insurance. I have to pay 20%, however, so the out-of-pocket expense for a home birth is virtually identical to the out-of-pocket expense of a hospital birth. I've had four at home, two in the hospital. My wife and I prefer the intimacy, privacy, and comfort of home. It's not for everyone (those with preexisting conditions, risk factors, complications), but it's worked well for us. :)

Church42

10-15-2008, 09:56 PM

No mid-wife at all Johan for the 4 born at home?

Johan

10-15-2008, 09:58 PM

No mid-wife at all Johan for the 4 born at home?

Yes. About two grand a pop (haha! POP!) :)

pseudopseudo

10-15-2008, 10:01 PM

Yes. About two grand a pop (haha! POP!) :)

You really ARE Johan. Heh. No one can spout a bad pun like the master. :D

Church42

10-15-2008, 10:02 PM

Yes. About two grand a pop (haha! POP!) :)

Should've read better the whole thing about having kids at home was about as expensive as having it at the hospital.

Either way, too bad no twins...would've gotten 2 for the price of 1.

squirrelTactics

10-15-2008, 10:10 PM

They went back and forth at each other after every single thing, which they then refuted, then they went back to it again.

Obama refuted. McCain refutiated.

Maskatron

10-15-2008, 10:12 PM

I thought McCain was going to blow up Scanners style, for real.

JediSanf

10-15-2008, 10:20 PM

There are many very good, very professional and capable medical institutions around here, and I have insurance. Very good insurance. I have to pay 20%, however, so the out-of-pocket expense for a home birth is virtually identical to the out-of-pocket expense of a hospital birth. I've had four at home, two in the hospital. My wife and I prefer the intimacy, privacy, and comfort of home. It's not for everyone (those with preexisting conditions, risk factors, complications), but it's worked well for us. :)

No, no, I've nothing against mid-wives (for relatively uncomplicated births). I was just highlighting that, were you less responsible, you would, well you see where this is going.

Johan

10-15-2008, 10:21 PM

No, no, I've nothing against mid-wives (for relatively uncomplicated births). I was just highlighting that, were you less responsible, you would, well you see where this is going.

Unprotected sex. Yes, I see where it's going. I like it. :D

With my wife, if that needs mentioning!

Church42

10-15-2008, 10:27 PM

Unprotected sex. Yes, I see where it's going. I like it. :D

With my wife, if that needs mentioning!

Bah, what's wrong w/ setting up franchises?

Jeffool

10-15-2008, 11:42 PM

I heard Joe the Plumber lives next to Joe six-pack.Y'know, Joe's getting really goddamn tired of that "six-pack" jibe. He's cleaned himself up, he's got a job now (plumbing, it's not spectacular, but it pays the bills,) and most importantly, he's off the booze. For a long time it's been his crutch, but he's sober now. He's going to be okay. In fact, the business has really taken off! Y'know, he's considering buying a local plumbing business that makes just over a quarter of a million dollars a year? He's come a long way! And here we go, throwing up that old "Joe Six-Pack" name again. Well damn it, Joe's a new man, and anyone who can't get over his past mistake, well, that's their problem! He faced his demons and won, damn it!

... Wait, what?Zeke the Plumber's brother?
[Zeke the Plumber pic]Justin wins.As per usual.

Rock Bandit

10-16-2008, 07:16 AM

Joe the Plumber is, of course, the main character of the porno "Layin' Pipe."

Y'know, Joe's getting really goddamn tired of that "six-pack" jibe. He's cleaned himself up, he's got a job now (plumbing, it's not spectacular, but it pays the bills,) and most importantly, he's off the booze. For a long time it's been his crutch, but he's sober now.

I thought they called him that because he's got great abs. Live and learn.

Zero

10-16-2008, 09:19 AM

I wonder if they're gonna incorporate Joe Six-pack into "Nailin' Paylin."

PathMaster

10-16-2008, 10:11 AM

Obama refuted. McCain refutiated.

Whoops, thanks.

National Kato

10-16-2008, 12:03 PM

Turns out Joe the Plumber is closely related to the Keating family (http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/). Yes, those Keatings:

Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE3DC143EF933A25751C1A9679582 60), the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes (http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=OH&last=wurzelbacher) giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Does this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But interesting, nonetheless. Ahh, politics. ;)

NoName

10-16-2008, 12:21 PM

Rock Bandit

10-16-2008, 12:29 PM

According to this Washington Post (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/16/joe_the_plumber_not_a_licensed.html?hpid=topnews) article, Joe the Plumber is not a licensed plumber. He also does not make more than 250,000 so he would not have his taxes raised by Obama.

Ahh, politics.

Not to defend the guy but what he was getting at was he wants to buy the business he works for and that he's now not too sure if he wants to do that if it will bump him up to the 250,000 tax bracket where Obama's tax hits kick in.

Of course I think the statistic is that less than 98% of small businesses make 250,000 a year and even if it did Obama has said he would give tax breaks to small businesses (I believe, I'm not a fact machine here). It's people that make over 250,000 but aren't a small business owner that would see that hit (lawyer's and the like).

NoName

10-16-2008, 12:32 PM

There's too much conflicting information flying everywhere from both directions. It's hard to keep track of all this :/.

Rock Bandit

10-16-2008, 12:59 PM

This article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/?GT1=43001) has better info then my ham-handed post.

Looks like the business is already making over 250,000 a year, consists of him and the owner, and neither are licensed. Also he seems to have a good sense of humor about the whole thing.

Food Nipple

10-16-2008, 01:05 PM

Turns out Joe the Plumber is closely related to the Keating family (http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/). Yes, those Keatings:
Does this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. But interesting, nonetheless. Ahh, politics. ;)

I just read the post you linked, and I'm unconvinced. For starters, the source you linked to has serious credibility issues. He claims to be a "senior fellow" (http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/about/) at a think tank that doesn't actually exist. (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Harding_Institute_for_Freedom_and_ Democracy&printable=yes) Thankfully, his blog post also links to as he puts it, "the left wing haters at DailyKos", who are are bit more transparent in their research (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/02217/845), and let you make up your own mind. They're a bit more hesitant to jump to any conclusions; the only common link is the two sharing the same last name, and if some of the comments are to be believed they don't even have the right Joe Wurzelbacher. (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/10/16/02217/845/83#c83) Who knows? Maybe the two Joe Wurzelbachers are related, but I haven't seen anyone establish any conclusive link between either Joe and the Keating family.

National Kato

10-16-2008, 01:12 PM

I just read the post you linked, and I'm unconvinced. For starters, the source you linked to has serious credibility issues.

The blog link might be thin, but I linked to the NY Times and Newsmeat.com within the quote for backup. The only thin link I can see would be between Joe Plumber and the Robert Wurzelbacher in Milford, OH.

Anyhow, don't shoot the messenger. I find the whole thing hilarious anyway.

Food Nipple

10-16-2008, 01:20 PM

The blog link might be thin, but I linked to the NY Times and Newsmeat.com within the quote for backup. The only thin link I can see would be between Joe Plumber and the Robert Wurzelbacher in Milford, OH.

Anyhow, don't shoot the messenger. I find the whole thing hilarious anyway.

Yes, you linked to a NYT story about Keating's conviction, I am not arguing that Keating was innocent, nor am I disputing Newsmeat's claim that Robert Wurzelbacher donated money to McCain.

That doesn't do much to backup the unsubstantiated claims that your original (and highly suspect) source makes.

National Kato

10-16-2008, 01:26 PM

Yes, you linked to a NYT story about Keating's conviction, I am not arguing that Keating was innocent...

I linked to the NYT article because it names Keating's son-in-law:

Mr. Dickson was a close aide to Mr. Keating and worked with Mr. Keating's son-in-law, Robert Wurzelbacher, a senior vice president of American Continental.

Again, I'm not trying to make a point here. I just posted it to highlight the craziness of politics. Whether this connection is true or not, it's pretty damned funny to me.

Dorkandproudofit

10-16-2008, 03:08 PM

Just to be an ass, I went on Halo 3 matchmaking and, in the lobby while waiting for the game to start, yelled "I AM JOE THE PLUMBER, AND I HAVE COME TO UNCLOG YOUR TUBES!!!"

I think about half the people got it. It was still fun, though. :D

Johan

10-16-2008, 07:44 PM

ShivaX

10-16-2008, 07:47 PM

WTF is all this argument over whether he's licensed or not and all of that crap? Who cares? His basic problem is that he doesn't want to pay higher taxes. I have news for you all...NOBODY likes to pay taxes, let alone higher ones.

Tough issue to figure out here. Really confusing! :confused:

Yeah I'm missing that one too.

Of course he wouldn't pay higher taxes unless he made a lot of money and ran his business accounts through his household (which almost noone with half a brain does).

walkstheplanes

10-16-2008, 07:51 PM

This one does.
http://www.hot-screensaver.com/wp-myimages/sexy-plumber.jpg

Her + Pipe + Clean = Yes

Sorry, just had to say something. All of you can continue arguing.

QueQueg

10-16-2008, 09:12 PM

ShivaX

10-16-2008, 09:54 PM

Jeffool

10-16-2008, 10:41 PM

I feel sorry for the poor bastard. He didn't ask to be McCain's poster-child, he just has legitimate concerns about Obama's tax-plan. Now the media is all up his ass, and I wouldn't be surprised if his modest living gets all fucked up.

WTG McCain campaign slash mainstream media!Yeah, I think this is probably it. Though probably a Republican, he also seems a normal enough guy to not have any overt love for politicians in general, and just wanted a chance to put some heat on one himself. (Everyone feels that way, but never realizes just how good politicians are at avoiding said heat.) Yeah, he just wanted to have a fun day (Obama would've came out better if he would've answered "Yes," imo.) but he became a bit of a star.

Honestly, I think Joe here has a future in the biz, though. (Media) He seems to be a pretty bright guy.