Dexter Season 3 (Mind the spoilers!!)

[Bingley Joe]

(Do we have spoiler tags? .. I can't get them to work)


OK, we just watched the first ep of this tonight, and - while it was a bit of a show-and-tell for new viewers - it's looking like this will be another ridiculously entertaining season of Dexter. I'm psyched :)

.. just figured we needed a thread

[icronic]

Can't go wrong with a Dexter thread.

The first ep seemed almost a little slow to me, but I don't think that's an entirely bad thing. They've certainly seemed to set this season up in a way that leaves a great many possibilities open to all the characters, and I can't wait to see the direction it takes. It's cool to see Jimmy Smits make an appearance too, although I can't get used to him with an accent.

The only problem I forsee is that season 2 left the bar so high that it's going to be incredibly tough for them to top it. We shall see.

[pomeroy]

I loved season one, but after about two episodes season two left me completely cold.

I'm assuming I needed to give it a bit more time? I thought season one was pretty much perfection...

[icronic]

I loved season one, but after about two episodes season two left me completely cold.

I'm assuming I needed to give it a bit more time? I thought season one was pretty much perfection...

Yeah, we just watched season 2 again in preparation for season three and I remember thinking that the first couple episodes were a little weak, but it really picks up from there. I definitely thought it topped the first season, not by a lot mind you.

I'd say you should definitely give it a second chance.

[The Iron Weasel]

I'm so pumped for this season, its going to be quite, quite good. Dexter is probably the best show your going to find on TV.

[Xerxes]

The end of season 2, and the loss of a certain cop almost turned me off. Going out like that isn't right.

[Slack3r78]

I'm really digging the theme of Dexter reborn that it looks like they intend to explore this season, if the first episode is any indication. Could make for some really, really interesting content.

[Bingley Joe]

I'm really digging the theme of Dexter reborn that it looks like they intend to explore this season, if the first episode is any indication. Could make for some really, really interesting content.

Yeah, I agree -- this leaves them open to do a lot with his character.. almost all of it completely unsettling, I'd expect ;)

I find these shows all tend to take at least 3-4 episodes to pick up, so you should really give season 2 another chance, Pomeroy... I think you might find it surprises you. It was insanely fun TV, IMO


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EDIT: Dagummit!! We need spoiler tags!!

[muddi900]

I loved season one, but after about two episodes season two left me completely cold.

I'm assuming I needed to give it a bit more time? I thought season one was pretty much perfection...

The 3rd episode of season 2 is the best IMO.

I am psyched for this season as well.:D:

[Worldcrafter]

I'm glad to have this show back on the air, but man the tension kills me; Dexter's seemingly normal life always on the edge of completely falling apart. Don't get me wrong, it's one of the pieces that helps keep the show interesting, but I have a hard time sitting still while watching.

Oh and (Season 2 spoiler)
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[Slack3r78]

I'm glad to have this show back on the air, but man the tension kills me; Dexter's seemingly normal life always on the edge of completely falling apart. Don't get me wrong, it's one of the pieces that helps keep the show interesting, but I have a hard time sitting still while watching.

Oh and (Season 2 spoiler)
'?tnemecalper sekoD a evah ydaerla yehT' kniht dna poc elam wen eht ees esle enoyna did
http://www.textreverse.com/
I was thinking Rudy, not Dokes.

[Worldcrafter]

Huh. I don't see that at all. Can't wait for the next episode so we can get a better feel for the season.

I thought the internal affairs chick randomly popping up was kind of weird. Do internal affairs staff usually stalk the employee's they're investigating? The first time I saw her I thought she was one of the prostitutes from the first season.

[Slack3r78]

Huh. I don't see that at all. Can't wait for the next episode so we can get a better feel for the season.

I thought the internal affairs chick randomly popping up was kind of weird. Do internal affairs staff usually stalk the employee's they're investigating? The first time I saw her I thought she was one of the prostitutes from the first season.
She's investigating the new male cop, not Deb.

They're setting him up to make you think he's dirty, at the very least.

[icronic]

She's investigating the new male cop, not Deb.

They're setting him up to make you think he's dirty, at the very least.

He does seem to be a little shifty. But that almost seems too obvious, especially for this show. Honestly if I were to guess at anything, I think there's something up with the woman from IA.

[Slack3r78]

I think there's something up with the woman from IA.
The idea that she's not actually IA has occurred to me. Especially given that the new cop is a transfer in from narcotics.

[Bingley Joe]

The idea that she's not actually IA has occurred to me. Especially given that the new cop is a transfer in from narcotics.

That was my thought, too. But then again.. maybe that's what they want us to think.. ;)

[DiBiddilyBop]

There are a lot of different directions this season could go, and I'm really digging on it. Dexter is easily my favorite show on TV, although Californication is a close second. God bless them for putting them back to back...

[shunoshi]

Well, episode 2 aired last night....

I really had no clue how Dexter was going to get out of the Freebo kill situation with the ADA showing up. Obviously that situation going to continue to haunt him the entire season.

They're trying really hard to make Quinn seem like a dirty cop so there has to be more to the story. My guess is the IA chick is going to get Deb thrown under the bus at some point soon.

Looking forward to another crazy season.

[DiBiddilyBop]

This season is already shaping up to be every bit as good as the last two seasons. This is easily my favorite show on TV.

[Bingley Joe]

OMG I want to click on that spoiler so bad.. :eek:

Can't wait to watch ep2 tonight!

[Spacetronaut]

Episode 2 already aired? Damn, I might have to forgo writing this essay and just watch that instead. Dexter really is the best show on TV right now.

[crazyD]

I thought Season 2 was kinda crappy compared to the excellent first. Dexter made a lot of uncharacteristically stupid decisions, though some were due to stupid moves at the end of the first, and the ending was kind of predictable about halfway through the season. It also ended with hardly anything major changing. They even mocked it near the end with the in episode parody of the opening theme. Back to status quo.

It wasn't terrible, and I'll keep on watching, but season 2 just wasn't really anything special.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Really? I was totally satisfied with season 2. If anything, I'd say I liked it even a little more than the first season since the whole sibling thing just seems like such a cliche for TV shows nowadays. Season 2 made Dexter seem a little more human and apt to make human mistakes, which was a different feel than the first season, although he seems like he's completely back on his game this time around (despite the things that happen that are outside his control).

[crazyD]

He's not supposed to make human mistakes though. He is a killer, raised and trained not to make human mistakes. The more human they make him, the less interesting I find him.

[DiBiddilyBop]

But he is human, that's the point. He may be a killer, but he's not a superhero or anything. He's just a guy who's very, very good at what he does. Although he doesn't make them often, he's still capable of making mistakes, and in this season, it looks like he'll be suffering for the mistakes of others. I think the show would be boring if he was so good that he didn't have to worry about any of these things.

[Slack3r78]

This episode ruled.

[crazyD]

But he is human, that's the point. He may be a killer, but he's not a superhero or anything. He's just a guy who's very, very good at what he does. Although he doesn't make them often, he's still capable of making mistakes, and in this season, it looks like he'll be suffering for the mistakes of others. I think the show would be boring if he was so good that he didn't have to worry about any of these things.

Right, but in season 2, he made all kinds of stupid mistakes. Things I looked at in advance and called as mistakes. Blatant mistakes that could have obviously bit him in the ass. Not expecting some kind of surveillance when he was checking his boat for blood when he knew that the cops were searching the piers? Giving the obviously phony manifesto to the police? Dumping his tools in shallow water near where a diving school practices (yes, he did this on purpose, but it seems like an obvious plant to me)? Dating some obviously needy and insane chick who has a weird looking face? Needy and insane is cool, but at least make sure she is hot.

Ahem, I think I got sidetracked here, but these are not the moves of a trained, smart, forensic scientist / killer. He was stupid and sloppy all season long.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I attribute that to him losing his cool, which was the driving force behind the whole season. He had lost his killer instinct, was distracted by his personal life, and was conflicted about the different directions he was being pulled by different elements in his life. It caused him to be careless and a little bit stupid at times.

I see what you're saying, but I just think it was all very intentional to show Dexter wasn't himself and wasn't even sure who he wanted to be. The whole season involved Dexter's introspection and re-evaluation of his life and his code. It does seem like he's back on track this season though.

[crazyD]

Even when he got his grove back, he still fucked up constantly. You can say that it was intentional, but I don't buy it, and I don't think it is interesting to watch. I think they just skewed a little too far away from the books by the end of Season 1, and did not know how to keep things together without a source.

[Slack3r78]

The whole season involved Dexter's introspection and re-evaluation of his life and his code. It does seem like he's back on track this season though.
You know, I hadn't really considered it to this point, but there's definitely an argument to be made that season two is a rather strong allegory about losing religion.

In particular, you have Dexter being raised within a certain moral construct which he comes to question and eventually reject as imperfect. Even so, that construct still largely informs his behavior and the specter of the central, guiding figure still haunts him. It's really not all that different from somebody coming to question and reject their faith in, say, Christianity.

That's an angle I'm going to have to start using to look at the series a bit more closely.

[DiBiddilyBop]

Although I've never read the books, from what I've heard they fell apart by book 3 anyway, so it's probably a good thing that they wanted to blaze their own trail in the Dexter universe rather than go by the books.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one since, like I said, I was more than happy with the results of season 2.

[DiBiddilyBop]

You know, I hadn't really considered it to this point, but there's definitely an argument to be made that season two is a rather strong allegory about losing religion.

In particular, you have Dexter being raised within a certain moral construct which he comes to question and eventually reject as imperfect. Even so, that construct still largely informs his behavior and the specter of the central, guiding figure still haunts him. It's really not all that different from somebody coming to question and reject their faith in, say, Christianity.

That's an angle I'm going to have to start using to look at the series a bit more closely.

Wow, interesting that you can relate a serial killer's code to Christian faith (or any faith-based belief structure for that matter). If that was intentional, that'd be a pretty giant "Fuck you" to the religious establishment in general. I'm not sure that that's what the writers were going for, but I do find it at least a little ironic that you're right, the parallels are definitely there.

[GunnyMo]

Just lemme know when it's all up on Showtime On-Demand. I hate waiting for each episode every week. lol I'm a big fan of TV on DVD these days.

That said, I can't wait to see Season 3 after the orgasm that was Season 2.

[Slack3r78]

Wow, interesting that you can relate a serial killer's code to Christian faith (or any faith-based belief structure for that matter). If that was intentional, that'd be a pretty giant "Fuck you" to the religious establishment in general. I'm not sure that that's what the writers were going for, but I do find it at least a little ironic that you're right, the parallels are definitely there.
Well, I'm not sure that it's about a serial killer's code so much as any moral construct. Dexter has been raised to believe certain things are right or wrong. He's specifically been raised that way because that code treats him as inherently flawed. You've got a central figure in Harry who is initially seen as providing the answers and guiding Dexter down a path of righteousness.

The problem is that, to an outside observer, what Dexter is doing doesn't seem as pure. When cracks of doubt start to form around Harry, he ends up questioning the whole thing.

What's interesting to me about it is that while Dexter rejects Harry and Harry's code, he more or less continues to adhere to it. He decides that he doesn't need Harry, yet, fundamentally, his behavior hasn't really changed. So while Dexter has shed himself of Harry, his teachings are so ingrained in Dexter that they still form the fundamental basis for how Dexter behaves himself. Harry continuing to show up and Dexter insisting that he no longer needs Harry's thoughts are really a strong parallel to that.

Really, the more I think about it, the more I dig this interpretation of that story arc.

[Card930]

I really enjoyed the first season, and for the most part, the second. It was really slow at first and that turned me off. What I liked is when the stories are focusing on him, and his reasons for doing what he's doing, and I don't like when the story is about the police trying to catch him. It makes the show uncomfortable for me to watch. (but i did anyway)
Also, I'd really like the writers to stop writing his sister as an immature whiny little girl who can't be happy for someone else if she isn't getting what she wants too.

[PanicBomb!]

Maybe it's already been said, but I see Dexter's sloppy mistakes as evidence of his humanity, something he is in complete denial of having. He claims not to care about people, to not feel emotion, love...yet he obviously does feel these things, as evidenced by his protectiveness of Deb, or Rita and her children. One of his biggest slip ups was a result of his dealing with Rita's abusive ex-husband. He didn't HAVE to frame the dude for drug abuse. If he really didn't care about people, he would feel no compulsion to interject himself into their personal issues. This season, Dexter is obviously upset about taking the life of someone he hadn't fully vetted first. He claims the issue is that it violated "the code of Harry", something he's now trying to reject, but really I think this is how he deals with the guilt of taking the life of a potentially innocent man. He needs to be able to tell himself that it's ok to kill whoever, whenever, as the principal he was acting on was faulty. The thing I find most interesting about the show (and the books) is that they are narrated by Dexter himself, and as such the fun is in watching the way his actions sometimes contradict his words.

Then again, I read the books and watch the show, so maybe I'm getting all sorts of elements jumbled and that's not really how it comes across to others.

[Bingley Joe]

Well, episode 2 aired last night....

I really had no clue how Dexter was going to get out of the Freebo kill situation with the ADA showing up. Obviously that situation going to continue to haunt him the entire season.


Oh man.. that was fucking great! My GF and I both shouted "OH FUCK" when he showed up, LOL!

Still though, the ADA does have Freebo's DNA on his shirt after all of that, and Dexter's going to have all the time he needs to clean up after himself now.. I'm really curious to see how/when he plays that card.. Because you know he's going to be playing that card ;)


Well, I'm not sure that it's about a serial killer's code so much as any moral construct. Dexter has been raised to believe certain things are right or wrong. He's specifically been raised that way because that code treats him as inherently flawed. You've got a central figure in Harry who is initially seen as providing the answers and guiding Dexter down a path of righteousness.

The problem is that, to an outside observer, what Dexter is doing doesn't seem as pure. When cracks of doubt start to form around Harry, he ends up questioning the whole thing.

What's interesting to me about it is that while Dexter rejects Harry and Harry's code, he more or less continues to adhere to it. He decides that he doesn't need Harry, yet, fundamentally, his behavior hasn't really changed. So while Dexter has shed himself of Harry, his teachings are so ingrained in Dexter that they still form the fundamental basis for how Dexter behaves himself. Harry continuing to show up and Dexter insisting that he no longer needs Harry's thoughts are really a strong parallel to that.

Really, the more I think about it, the more I dig this interpretation of that story arc.

Maybe it's already been said, but I see Dexter's sloppy mistakes as evidence of his humanity, something he is in complete denial of having. He claims not to care about people, to not feel emotion, love...yet he obviously does feel these things, as evidenced by his protectiveness of Deb, or Rita and her children. One of his biggest slip ups was a result of his dealing with Rita's abusive ex-husband. He didn't HAVE to frame the dude for drug abuse. If he really didn't care about people, he would feel no compulsion to interject himself into their personal issues. This season, Dexter is obviously upset about taking the life of someone he hadn't fully vetted first. He claims the issue is that it violated "the code of Harry", something he's now trying to reject, but really I think this is how he deals with the guilt of taking the life of a potentially innocent man. He needs to be able to tell himself that it's ok to kill whoever, whenever, as the principal he was acting on was faulty. The thing I find most interesting about the show (and the books) is that they are narrated by Dexter himself, and as such the fun is in watching the way his actions sometimes contradict his words.

Then again, I read the books and watch the show, so maybe I'm getting all sorts of elements jumbled and that's not really how it comes across to others.

This is exactly what makes the show so interesting to me. Watching him struggle with his own personal demons is the thing that at once humanizes him, and makes him so utterly incomprehensible, and it's a brilliant juxtaposition.

It's quite clear to me that there's a huge part of his psyche that he simply chooses to ignore -- the side of himself that did help Rita, and that does love her kids.. he's powerless to ignore the impulses coming from that part of his brain.

Yet I think if you sat him down and called him on it, he'd tell you point-blank you were full of shit because his instinct tells him that would be a fucked up thing for someone 'like him' to feel..

.. but then he'd begin to process the conversation ;)

This whole issue of him becoming a father is just another fascinating layer on top of all that...

[muddi900]

Yet I think if you sat him down and called him on it, he'd tell you point-blank you were full of shit because his instinct tells him that would be a fucked up thing for someone 'like him' to feel..

.. but then he'd begin to process the conversation ;)

This whole issue of him becoming a father is just another fascinating layer on top of all that...

This. Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Awesome show. Also, I too preferred Season 2 over Season 3.

[shunoshi]

Anyone else think that the burying a body in a pre-dug grave is a great idea? And I mean this in a scary, "you could get away with it" sorta way. ;)

Overall, this episode tied up a lot of loose ends I think. Now they can focus on Dexter's future fatherhood and the new "friend" that he made. I still think that Prado's brother is going to dig up some dirt and cause problems.

[Bingley Joe]

Anyone else think that the burying a body in a pre-dug grave is a great idea? And I mean this in a scary, "you could get away with it" sorta way. ;)

Overall, this episode tied up a lot of loose ends I think. Now they can focus on Dexter's future fatherhood and the new "friend" that he made. I still think that Prado's brother is going to dig up some dirt and cause problems.

Yeah, the grave thing was almost too good -- I'm with you in thinking that Prado's brother isn't going to stop snooping, and if Dexter is ever under any serious suspicion, something that sneaky could really stand out in Prado's mind..

Side note: is that what we suppose Dexter has been doing with at least some of his other victims lately?

Nice of them to go easy on the cliffhangers this time ;)

[Elrik Murder]

Right, but in season 2, he made all kinds of stupid mistakes. Things I looked at in advance and called as mistakes. Blatant mistakes that could have obviously bit him in the ass. Not expecting some kind of surveillance when he was checking his boat for blood when he knew that the cops were searching the piers? Giving the obviously phony manifesto to the police?

I don't think he was aware at the time that they were monitoring the harbor. Hence, his freak out. As for the manifesto, you have to remember that he hasn't done this before (being pursued). He is self-admittedly trying to stay ahead of the investigation. It was only a diversion, so he could gain some ground and establish a strategy. It didn't work too well, so he becomes panicked, desperate. He only reacts to events that are beyond his control. Would you plant evidence if you were in danger of facing conviction?

Also, I thought Lila was rather hot. :D

As for the disposal of Freebo. Maybe he's not actually there. Possibly dissected and dumped like the others. At least that's what I thought when Dexter was so dismissive about him bringing the body in.

[axion]

The yoga part had me cracking up.
"This is the worst moment of my life."
"Just let yourself dance."
"I was wrong, this is."

[shunoshi]

The yoga part had me cracking up.
"This is the worst moment of my life."
"Just let yourself dance."
"I was wrong, this is."

Haha, yeah, the "freestyle yoga" got a good laugh out of me.

[muddi900]

This was the funniest episode of Dexter.

I don't why's there is a discussion about it? But its clear he was lying about the disposal.

[Bingley Joe]

The yoga part had me cracking up.
"This is the worst moment of my life."
"Just let yourself dance."
"I was wrong, this is."

LMAO!

"I could probably kill her before anyone even realized what happened"

Too classic :D


Also: Dexter has now gone outside his 'code' twice now once (accidentally) with Prado's brother, and once with the pedo, and is growing more and more enamoured with his capabilities (the whole 'lion' metaphor from this episode, for example)... anyone else think that's going to end up being more than just a little bit scary?

[Bingley Joe]

This was the funniest episode of Dexter.

I don't why's there is a discussion about it? But its clear he was lying about the disposal.

I'm pretty sure we're going to find out one way or another..

that grave isn't going to stay covered for very long.. the question is, do they just dig up the one and go "oh shit" (aka: Dexter lied), or do they end up exhuming more than one and go "oh shit" (aka: Dexter has been gardening)?

[axion]

He doesn't do that with the bodies, he still dumps them in the ocean, just now where the current takes them away, I thought they covered that last season. Also, why was the pedo outside of his code exactly?

[Bingley Joe]

He doesn't do that with the bodies, he still dumps them in the ocean, just now where the current takes them away, I thought they covered that last season. Also, why was the pedo outside of his code exactly?

They covered that, but I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Dexter was putting his bodies in more than one place so as to avoid anything even approaching what happened in S2 ever again. The current is one thing, but who knows.. maybe he's got other tricks up his sleeve? That said, it seems to me like shuffling around in a cemetery is way more risky than Dexter would ever consider, so I'm inclined to agree that there are no bodies there..

As to the pedo -- Dexter made the observation himself; the pedo had never killed anyone, so was therefore technically outside the bounds of his code.

[shunoshi]

I think that Dexter is discovering that he can succeed outside "the code" and can kill whoever he wants. This will probably bring about a more "evil" side to his personality to conflict with the "good father" side that's approaching.

[Sammael]

Why am I beginning to think of Judge Dredd... or the Punisher?

[Slack3r78]

I think that Dexter is discovering that he can succeed outside "the code" and can kill whoever he wants. This will probably bring about a more "evil" side to his personality to conflict with the "good father" side that's approaching.
His last three kills have also broken his established methodology. The sudden stabbing of the DA's brother could be considered an accident. With Freebo, he set up the kill room, but stabbing him in the neck was outside of his usual MO. Finally, he didn't even bother with a kill room for the pedo, instead strangling him to death with a belt.

[axion]

This is hilarious, Doakes is dead-on.
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[yeti]

Wow, Season 3 is really shaping up to be a killer season. I'm excited to see who's going to win out, his "dark passenger" or his fatherly instincts.

Smits is awesome in this season too, I really want things to go right for Dex once. He needs a good friend.

Doakes is perfect (and brilliantly funny) in that clip. The rest is shit.

[muddi900]

Woah man! Dexter and Supernatural are only shows that are consistently awesome each week.

Best way to kill a man: While listening Ch...Ch...Changes!

[Sammael]

Woah man! Dexter and Supernatural are only shows that are consistently awesome each week.



Try The Shield, but you would be jumping on that wagon a bit late. You have 6 years of episodes to catch up on.

I knew they were going to play the "partner" card this season. I'm wondering how this one will destroy Smits. Everyone that has known Dexter's secret was destroyed by it. He'll be no different.

[Psykoboy2]

He might last a season with it. I could see them stretching this one out over a season and then maybe having it conclude in the next season.

One thing I've noticed with both this show and Deadwood is that they never end their seasons with cliff hangers.

[muddi900]

Cliff hangers are for pussies!

[muddi900]

OK. Wow!

Dexter is the victim now

Wow!

[PanicBomb!]

As much as it pains me to say it, I'm not feeling this season at all. It was sort of strong out of the gate, and it's picking up a little steam again towards the end, but the majority of the middle run as been kind of aimless and meandering. There are all these secondary plots that seem to go nowhere and have no relevance to anything. The relationship between Anton and Deborah, Quinn and the Internal Affairs woman, Angel and undercover hooker cop, Masuka's temper tantrum, Ramon the loose cannon, the records woman with lung cancer, none of this seems to have any bearing on anything. Even if it all ties together in the end, so much of the interim feels so directionless that the majority of the season comes across as boring.

I loved the Sopranos, and Deadwood, and The Wire, so I'm more than fine with long stretches that are kind of vague and free of "action", but at least in those shows there was some interesting idea, dialogue, character moment or something to grab onto. Most of season 3 of Dexter is banal. All of the stuff worth exploring, a serial killer getting married and having children, Dexter being responsible for the death of "innocents", the value of The Code, is glossed over for in favor of the relationship drama of 4th string characters. Things are starting to heat up, but still, the concept of "Dexter gets close to someone who may understand him, that person turns out to be a pain in the ass, they do something horrendous that makes them fair game, so Dexter ends up killing them" has been something we've done twice already in the seasons before.

Sorry to rant, but I absolutely loved the first two arcs, and I'm finally just admitting that this season is mostly a wash, which is very disappointing.

[DiBiddilyBop]

I've been thoroughly enjoying this season and haven't minded the exploration of the tertiary characters at all. I have a feeling that the Quinn sub plot is going to be fairly anti-climactic (unless it leads into next season), but I never took any of the other things you listed at more than face value. Deborah can't have an easy relationship, Angel is finally getting some, the records lady kept Dexter delving into his own humanity, Masuka is the comic relief that still needs to feel loved...

I expected a bit more from Ramon (it seems like he was a major character in the season and then in the course of one episode disappeared with no more mention the rest of the season), but other than that I've been fairly satisfied with the season. My only gripe has been Rita who turned into a bit of a bitch last season and has only continued down that path this season, which I can only imagine will lead into future plot lines. It's not so much a complaint with the show as my general dislike for her character, although I feel that it's intentional to some degree by the writers so we'll see where (if anywhere) that leads in the future.

Dexter is easily my favorite show on television, with Californication coming in second.

[axion]

The records woman I think played a role because Dexter killed her without her having met his requirements, it was a mercy kill, but it still showed something about his character Anton and Deb's relationship now is going to affect things because it could affect the outcome of the skinner case, along with Miguel using it as leverage against Dexter, not that he needs it now. I thought this past episode was amazing, with lots of "Holy shit" moments.

[Lutheran]

Its a great show , this year has been good. Only 2 more episodes left this season.

[Crowe]

They really turned it on in the last half of this season. I wish what is happening now happened a few episodes a go, because more Cat and Mouse games would have been full of awesome. With only 2 episodes to, I'm a little cut.

[shunoshi]

I thought this past episode was amazing, with lots of "Holy shit" moments.

This is exactly what I thought. Most of the season has been slower paced with tertiary character buildup, but it's all coming to a head now. This last episode was great. Looking forward to the final two.

[torrefaction]

I think the past two episodes has made this the best season yet.

[torrefaction]

I've been thoroughly enjoying this season and haven't minded the exploration of the tertiary characters at all. I have a feeling that the Quinn sub plot is going to be fairly anti-climactic (unless it leads into next season), but I never took any of the other things you listed at more than face value. Deborah can't have an easy relationship, Angel is finally getting some, the records lady kept Dexter delving into his own humanity, Masuka is the comic relief that still needs to feel loved...


Actually, I think the Quinn sub plot is going to play into Deb's trying to get her shield. It's not huge on it's own, but it's a big deal for Deb.

[PanicBomb!]

Obviously I'm in the minority. Fair enough, I'm glad others are enjoying it. For the record, I think most everything involving Dexter himself is excellent. My primary gripe is that I get the impression the writers realized they didn't need the supporting cast for the story they wanted to tell, and came up with uninteresting diversions to keep the actors and characters busy. The storytelling in the previous 2 seasons was so tight and economical, whereas this feels unfocused by comparison.

Difference of opinion. I'll still be glued to my seat the next 2 Sundays to see how things play out.

[muddi900]

Obviously I'm in the minority. Fair enough, I'm glad others are enjoying it. For the record, I think most everything involving Dexter himself is excellent. My primary gripe is that I get the impression the writers realized they didn't need the supporting cast for the story they wanted to tell, and came up with uninteresting diversions to keep the actors and characters busy. The storytelling in the previous 2 seasons was so tight and economical, whereas this feels unfocused by comparison.

Difference of opinion. I'll still be glued to my seat the next 2 Sundays to see how things play out.

I actually agree with you. The Subplots were annoying as hell. But the last 2 weeks have been great, the next 2 will be great as well.

[darkbase]

I haven't really joined this thread yet, but my girlfriend and I watch this show religiously.
Last few weeks have been CRAZY, and we eagerly anticipate each Sunday. Never been this excited about the show. With the reveal last week about Miguel and the Skinner now working together, everything really comes together with Miguel's death/plot affecting freaking everyone in the show without everyone actually knowing why.

[shunoshi]

I'm not understanding the hate of the subplots. All of them directly/indirectly affect Dexter, so they are actually important. Especially the Deb/Quinn subplot since that's part of Prado's leverage. They may not be as exciting because the characters aren't as well developed, but they're important nonetheless.

Just my $.02

Also, a few of you are diving into specific plot elements. Try using the spoiler tags.

[darkbase]

I'm not understanding the hate of the subplots. All of them directly/indirectly affect Dexter, so they are actually important. Especially the Deb/Quinn subplot since that's part of Prado's leverage. They may not be as exciting because the characters aren't as well developed, but they're important nonetheless.

Just my $.02

Also, a few of you are diving into specific plot elements. Try using the spoiler tags.

Quinn kind of bugs me because they try to play him up as one thing then it totally turns around and he's someone to like, then we learn something else suspicious, then it's kind of dropped. He lied to Deb about the annoying Asian IA chick, and was lying to Antwon (sp?) but he seems like a decent cop, I guess he's just supposed to be like a guy from The Shield? I was expecting some devious plot surrounding him being a murderer or something, but his importance has kind of dropped. Also sorry about the open spoiler before but I just kind of assumed venturing into this thread without watching the lastest episode was a known risk for spoilers.

[shunoshi]

Quinn kind of bugs me because they try to play him up as one thing then it totally turns around and he's someone to like, then we learn something else suspicious, then it's kind of dropped. He lied to Deb about the annoying Asian IA chick, and was lying to Antwon (sp?) but he seems like a decent cop, I guess he's just supposed to be like a guy from The Shield? I was expecting some devious plot surrounding him being a murderer or something, but his importance has kind of dropped. Also sorry about the open spoiler before but I just kind of assumed venturing into this thread without watching the lastest episode was a known risk for spoilers.

I think they made a weak attempt for an episode or so at making you think Quinn could possibly be the skinner. I still think that something really bad will get dug up on him, but not till season 4. As it stands, the tree cutter and Prado are the "bad guys" for the remainder of the season so Quinn takes backseat for awhile.

[Slack3r78]

I think they made a weak attempt for an episode or so at making you think Quinn could possibly be the skinner. I still think that something really bad will get dug up on him, but not till season 4. As it stands, the tree cutter and Prado are the "bad guys" for the remainder of the season so Quinn takes backseat for awhile.
My suspicion is that Quinn is actually a morally good guy that fucks up sometimes trying to do the right thing. Sort of the antithesis of Miguel Prado.

[Xerxes]

Dexter and his sister are married. (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=346943&gt1=28103)

[axion]

My mind asplode.

[Mike Kelehan]

Dexter and his sister are married. (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=346943&gt1=28103)

Ever see The Kumars At No. 42 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kumars_at_No._42)? It's a British fake talk show, where an Indian family interviews real celebrities. The man who plays main character, Sanjeev, is in real life married to the woman who plays his GRANDMOTHER.

[Slack3r78]

lol, irl fake incest.