MGS4 on 360 Rumors Gain Ground

[JayVe]

No, I don't make this up...

MGS4 on 360 Rumors Gain Ground (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/919/919647p1.html)

US, October 14, 2008 - According to a Tokyo Game Show report from Japanese investment research firm Morningstar, Metal Gear Solid 4 may find its way to the Xbox 360 after all. Morningstar published a general article covering multiplatform trends that features a quote from a Konami public relations representative that should fuel rumors for months to come. The rep is quoted as saying, regarding MGS4, "We're actively looking into a release for the Xbox 360." While this isn't a confirmation of it coming, it does lend hope to those Xbox 360 owners who haven't plunked down money on a PS3.

However, this little quote doesn't clear the major hurdle Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima has listed for the title coming to Xbox 360. He has been quoted in several interviews saying a port was likely impossible due to the game being optimized for the PS3 hardware, specifically Blu-ray discs.

IGN has contacted Konami's US representatives for a comment and is awaiting a response. The original Morningstar report can be found here.

Personally, I believe it only due to the ENORMOUS cost of developing such an intricate, detailed and involved game as Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm sure they want to make as much off of it as possible.

Have fun storming the castle!

[crazyD]

Just... let it go, people.

[Gorvi]

I'd still be rather surprised if this happens, but we'll see.

[fitbabits]

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, still clinging on to the hope that MGS4 will remain a PS3 exclusive this generation needs to take look at this generation's bigger picture.

The 360 may not get the exact same version, but a version nonetheless is more exceedingly likely.

[Gorvi]

The IGN article is taking some liberties with the translation. Of course this is Google, but it's a Konami rep saying they're not completely ruling it out:
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[AgtFox]

Could be a situation where Kojima doesn't even oversee it like Itagaki didn't oversee Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

[fitbabits]

The IGN article is taking some liberties with the translation. Of course this is Google, but it's a Konami rep saying they're not completely ruling it out:
I desire to consult for a new browser.

[JayVe]

The IGN article is taking some liberties with the translation. Of course this is Google, but it's a Konami rep saying they're not completely ruling it out:

Uh, I'd believe a translation from a real person before I jumped to any conclusions from that machine-translation mess. Seriously, horoscopes are more reliable than that bullshit you posted.

[cawblen]

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, still clinging on to the hope that MGS4 will remain a PS3 exclusive this generation needs to take look at this generation's bigger picture.

The 360 may not get the exact same version, but a version nonetheless is more exceedingly likely.

with the kind of money and resources they expended into MGS4 i would hope that they'd at least try to port it to xbox360 and pc...i have it for ps3 but i'm way past the whole exclusive thing...the more ppl that play the game, the better for the developers.

[fitbabits]

Uh, I'd believe a translation from a real person before I jumped to any conclusions from that machine-translation mess. Seriously, horoscopes are more reliable than that bullshit you posted.

Just a note here, Kam -- "bullshit you posted" was uncalled for. Keep it civil, please.

[Norse]

Is there any reason for this not to show up on the 360?

[Gorvi]

Uh, I'd believe a translation from a real person before I jumped to any conclusions from that machine-translation mess. Seriously, horoscopes are more reliable than that bullshit you posted.
You believe what you want. Really, I have a hard time seeing the game getting huge sales on the 360 even if it did happen. Nothing against the system, it's like Bioshock on the PS3, if you really wanted to play it, you more than likely have already on it's original system.

[JayVe]

Could be a situation where Kojima doesn't even oversee it like Itagaki didn't oversee Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

I remember a lot of Sony fans being very happy that they got Ninja Gaiden...

[JayVe]

Just a note here, Kam -- "bullshit you posted" was uncalled for. Keep it civil, please.

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Sorry. It wasn't an attack on Gorvi, but rather a description of the horrible mess that machines spit out when asked to translate human language.

[PathMaster]

Honestly, why is a port such a bad thing? Brand loyalty aside, would it not be better for almost everyone concerned that the game reach as many consumer hands as possible?

[shodan2020]

I've been saying this all along. I hope it comes true, then I'll finally be able to play MGS4 and the series will come full circle for this gamer. :)

[JayVe]

Is there any reason for this not to show up on the 360?

Well, some would cite Bluray as a reason. Although, the game had a number of long loading sections where you watch Snake chain-smoking. In each case, it would take less time to swap discs than it does to load on the PS3.

[Disgustipated]

Meh... at this point, I'll just play it on PS3 once the PS3 isn't overpriced as fuck.

[shodan2020]

Honestly, why is a port such a bad thing? Brand loyalty aside, would it not be better for almost everyone concerned that the game reach as many consumer hands as possible?

Kojima has been quoted as saying that there wasn't anything in MGS4 that couldn't also be done on a 360.

[Mastergeo7]

This is my only concern:

http://www.princeofspades.net/zable/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mgs4xbox360oj1.png

[shodan2020]

Well, some would cite Bluray as a reason. Although, the game had a number of long loading sections where you watch Snake chain-smoking. In each case, it would take less time to swap discs than it does to load on the PS3.

Citing Blu-ray is a pretty weak reason. I'll buy it on the 360 and not care about disc-swapping. Sorta makes me nostalgic for Square RPGs on the PS1. :)

[fitbabits]

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Sorry. It wasn't an attack on Gorvi, but rather a description of the horrible mess that machines spit out when asked to translate human language.
No worries. It's just the context that whiffs of an attack. Perhaps a better way to put it would have been "the bullshit Google translation" instead of using the accusatory 'you'.

[violent]

Just wait for the announcement. That or next month when the rumor comes up again, post in here. We don't need 30 more of these threads.

[JayVe]

No worries. It's just the context that whiffs of an attack. Perhaps a better way to put it would have been "the bullshit Google translation" instead of using the accusatory 'you'.

Oooh! Good. Seriously, no attack was intended on anyone here. I gots mad love for Gorvi. :D Apologies again!

[Gorvi]

Kojima has been quoted as saying that there wasn't anything in MGS4 that couldn't also be done on a 360.
There's conflicts with that, though. Like this from 1UP (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169590) recently:
The state of a potential Xbox 360 version becomes more uncertain with each denial, though. In fact, Kojima all but ruled it out by explaining, "because MGS4 was optimized for the PS3 it is probably not possible [to make the game in other formats]."
It's a great game and pretty much everyone should have the opportunity to play it. It's just not nearly as sure of a thing as a lot of people seem to think. It could happen, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Oooh! Good. Seriously, no attack was intended on anyone here. I gots mad love for Gorvi. :D Apologies again!
I accept cash apologies. ;)

Nah, it's all in good fun, I know you harbor no ill will. :)

[fitbabits]

This is my only concern:

http://www.princeofspades.net/zable/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mgs4xbox360oj1.png
Someone, somewhere still finds this funny?

Different strokes, I suppose.

Anyway, at max I could see four discs.

Here's an interesting scenario: what if the rumored Blu-ray add-on for 360 becomes a reality? What better way of selling it/showing it off than bundling a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4 on Xbox 360 Blu-ray?

[Johan]

MGS on the 360? I. Don't. Care.

I just enjoy watching the flailings of some on either side of the fanboy demilitarized zone. We don't have much of that here, so I'll have to go somewhere retarded to find more of it for laughs. :D

Anyway, at max I could see four discs.

Blue Dragon has three disks. I had to swap the disk twice...during the course of 60+ hours of playing. I left each one in the 360 until it needed to be switched.

It's not the number of your discs, it's the way in which they are utilized. If you had to switch repeatedly, it would be annoying. I doubt that would be necessary, as you seemed to indicate.

[Mike Kelehan]

Hey guys... I heard Sega was making new game hardware.

[JayVe]

Hey guys... I heard Sega was making new game hardware.

Well, they are (http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/10/sega-getting-ba.html)... so you heard right.

[MalReynolds]

i have it on PS3 so meh id say it would sell well if it came but i could care less

[Mastergeo7]

Here's an interesting scenario: what if the rumored Blu-ray add-on for 360 becomes a reality? What better way of selling it/showing it off than bundling a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4 on Xbox 360 Blu-ray?

That's an excellent perspective and a good idea too, but I think it's a little hard to happen. However a Bluray for Xbox will hurt the PS3 in a sweet spot, me thinks.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I would like this to happen.

[violent]

I would like this to happen.

As you should. The game is wonderful. It would go well with a collection of the first 3 Solid iterations as well. Now if they could only remake the first 3 on the new engine....

[JayVe]

That's an excellent perspective and a good idea too, but I think it's a little hard to happen. However a Bluray for Xbox will hurt the PS3 in a sweet spot, me thinks.

You know... this is a brilliant idea. I'm VERY skeptical that this will happen... but it really hurt the PS3 if an affordable option.

Let me be clear... I could still see a Bluray addition for the 360 coming at some point, but not for games. That said, I don't think Bluray is coming to the 360. Like Apple's recent announcement about Bluray, I think more and more companies tare taking a 'wait and see' approach.

[Gorvi]

Now if they could only remake the first 3 on the new engine....
I would give up one of Johan's kids for that.

[Mastergeo7]

Let me be clear... I could still see a Bluray addition for the 360 coming at some point, but not for games. That said, I don't think Bluray is coming to the 360. Like Apple's recent announcement about Bluray, I think more and more companies tare taking a 'wait and see' approach.

That's one of their main issues I think, that kind of addon will split the market, also, are there any faster bluray units out there? Think about the extra space needed for installations that almost every AAA title has for PS3 and not every 360 has an HDD.

With the addition of the NXE they seem to be trying to put a hard-drive in every unit (even if it it's a refurb), more clues?

[violent]

I would give up one of Johan's kids for that.

They should do that and release it on 360 as well. That way feel the (obvious) demand for the final installment. Or at least give the 360 people MGO.

[MalReynolds]

MGO would fucking rock on 360

[JayVe]

I would give up one of Johan's kids for that.

That's funny as hell! :D

[Gorvi]

MGO would fucking rock on 360
No it wouldn't. MGO is a good idea with very poor execution. The levels are just maps are just far too small with too many players. It's trying to take MGS and put it into a game play style where it just doesn't work.

[Wilkz07]

Played it on ps3 and it was great.

I'd play it on 360 for achievements and thats about it.

[TheFlyingOrc]

I have no problem with this game being on like 4 discs. Just compress the crap out of the textures and music, and we should be golden.

[Abyssion]

Now if they could only remake the first 3 on the new engine....
That would be really cool.

It would be nice for this to go over to the 360, I've already got my ps3 and played it, so I don't care what happens except for it selling more. If going to the 360 is another way for them to get more sales then so be it.
That's all I've got to say on the matter.

[Dukefrukem]

Just... let it go, Kamalot.

fixored (more words)

[violent]

The problem with first porting MGS4 to the 360 is one of immediate gratification. I think Konami should create an MGS presence on the platform. Kinda like Devil May Cry 4. I don't think the first 3 iterations were ever released on a Microsoft platform, is that right? I think these guys should build a foundation on the platform and release the entire sets. Don't let it be just another released game, make it feel like a home for the franchise.

Unless of course you're all about immediate gratification and simply want your MGS4 now.

[violent]

No it wouldn't. MGO is a good idea with very poor execution. The levels are just maps are just far too small with too many players. It's trying to take MGS and put it into a game play style where it just doesn't work.

Really? I agree that it's a very different type of gameplay but it's hardly poorly executed. The Konami server fiasco though, that was a clusterfuck. The game itself I think is very solid. No pun intended.

[Gorvi]

Really? I agree that it's a very different type of gameplay but it's hardly poorly executed. The Konami server fiasco though, that was a clusterfuck. The game itself I think is very solid. No pun intended.
I think the only way the game could have worked with the level design the way it was would have been some kind of Uncharted/GoW style cover system. Without it, the maps just felt far too small.

[Dukefrukem]

The problem with first porting MGS4 to the 360 is one of immediate gratification. I think Konami should create an MGS presence on the platform. Kinda like Devil May Cry 4. I don't think the first 3 iterations were ever released on a Microsoft platform, is that right? I think these guys should build a foundation on the platform and release the entire sets. Don't let it be just another released game, make it feel like a home for the franchise.

Unless of course you're all about immediate gratification and simply want your MGS4 now.

This is a good point. I really am curious on the sales of MGS4 between the 360 and PS3. If the hardcore fans only buy PS3 systems and were waiting, I wonder how many other people only had a 360 and were curious to see the franchise.

[JayVe]

fixored (more words)

Well, Since I have my own PS3, I don't need it to come out on the 360. And since I don't like MGS4, I don't want it for the 360. I simply thought it would be an interesting topic for discussion. Other than your input, it is! :D

[violent]

I think the only way the game could have worked with the level design the way it was would have been some kind of Uncharted/GoW style cover system. Without it, the maps just felt far too small.

Certain maps felt tight, yeah. Thing is with a game like that is if you give to much open area, CQC would be rendered useless. I figure they used the layouts as a method to really utilize the actions.

[JayVe]

I don't think the first 3 iterations were ever released on a Microsoft platform, is that right?

I believe 2: Substenance was on the original Xbox.

[Dukefrukem]

Certain maps felt tight, yeah. Thing is with a game like that is if you give to much open area, CQC would be rendered useless. I figure they used the layouts as a method to really utilize the actions.

This is the main reason why the system fails. There will be the people who want CQC and the people that want to blend in with their environment and sneak around... It's asking for too much on a small scale.

[violent]

I believe 2: Substenance was on the original Xbox.

I meant Devil May Cry. I wasn't very clear but MGS2 is valid. See, I don't see the point in giving 360 owners 2 and 4. Give them the entire thing. It'll be like getting only 4 of the 7 Dark Tower books translated in your language.

[Dukefrukem]

I meant Devil May Cry. I wasn't very clear but MGS2 is valid. See, I don't see the point in giving 360 owners 2 and 4. Give them the entire thing. It'll be like getting only 4 of the 7 Dark Tower books translated in your language.

That's a good analogy. For people who have never played any of the MGS games, they won't understand what the hell is going on and won't come close to liking the game.

[violent]

This is the main reason why the system fails. There will be the people who want CQC and the people that want to blend in with their environment and sneak around... It's asking for too much on a small scale.

Yeah. The game was far from perfect. Something that really hurts it is the lack of microphones. If everyone had one, such problems could be dealt with. The game always felt like the type of game to get a select group of friends and have them learn to play together. Basically making the entire team the entity versus the individual.

[Dukefrukem]

Yeah. The game was far from perfect. Something that really hurts it is the lack of microphones. If everyone had one, such problems could be dealt with. The game always felt like the type of game to get a select group of friends and have them learn to play together. Basically making the entire team the entity versus the individual.

That and the ridiculous sign in steps.

[JayVe]

That and the ridiculous sign in steps.

Every company needs to streamline the use of their product from the user's perspective. Companies that fail to do so... fail.

[violent]

That's a good analogy. For people who have never played any of the MGS games, they won't understand what the hell is going on and won't come close to liking the game.

I know a lot of people shit on the MGS story but let's face it, how many games have we played that have truly excellent stories? Point is that while it shouldn't be a story that would be critiqued with the highest of standards, suspending disbelief and taking it for what it is is 90% of the charm of these titles. That should be delivered, not just the collection plate.

[Dukefrukem]

I know a lot of people shit on the MGS story but let's face it, how many games have we played that have truly excellent stories? Point is that while it shouldn't be a story that would be critiqued with the highest of standards, suspending disbelief and taking it for what it is is 90% of the charm of these titles. That should be delivered, not just the collection plate.

I don't know why you're telling me this. MGS4 is the best game I've ever played period. So I guess you could say I fuckin loved the story.

[OldJadedGamer]

MGS on the 360? I. Don't. Care.

I just enjoy watching the flailings of some on either side of the fanboy demilitarized zone. We don't have much of that here, so I'll have to go somewhere retarded to find more of it for laughs. :D

OMFG the fanboy meltdowns would be beyond epic proportions and it would be so much fun to read all the bitter tears. The internet would explode that day.

As for how many discs? Just look at the installs on the PS3 version and translate that to discs. What's funny is that it would take a shorter amount of time to switch a disc out on a 360 then it would to wait for the mid-game installs to happen.

Personally? I didn't care about this game when I had a 360 only and now that I have a PS3, I still don't care about this game. I'm going to wait until they add trophy's into it then I'm going to play through the game skipping every single cut scene and I'm going to time myself to see just how long the "game" really is. I'm very curious just how much gameplay is in it.

[violent]

Every company needs to streamline the use of their product from the user's perspective. Companies that fail to do so... fail.

I say, if you absolutely have to then do it, but for Christs sake, do it right. On that opening night I couldn't help picture Konami's situation looking like one of those 40's, telephone operator, switchboard stock films.

[MalReynolds]

think the remake them on the new engine would be kick ass

[violent]

I don't know why you're telling me this. MGS4 is the best game I've ever played period. So I guess you could say I fuckin loved the story.

Not you directly. I'm just referencing you because it's what we're discussing.

[violent]

As for how many discs? Just look at the installs on the PS3 version and translate that to discs. What's funny is that it would take a shorter amount of time to switch a disc out on a 360 then it would to wait for the mid-game installs to happen.


Assuming of course, that the 360 won't also have installs.

[Dukefrukem]

Assuming of course, that the 360 won't also have installs.

Wouldn't that be funny if you needed a hard drive in the 360 to play it?

[violent]

Wouldn't that be funny if you needed a hard drive in the 360 to play it?

I don't think it would be funny. It'll just be more fighting for stupid reasons.

[JayVe]

On that opening night I couldn't help picture Konami's situation looking like one of those 40's, telephone operator, switchboard stock films.


http://www.iplayalot.com/CoG/SwitchboardMGO.jpg

[violent]

Pre-fucking-cisely.

[JayVe]

Pre-fucking-cisely.

When I read your description, I laughed out loud cause I knew EXACTLY what you had in mind. :D

Check out those sweet headsets, with the microphone strapped to the chest.

[OldJadedGamer]

Assuming of course, that the 360 won't also have installs.

Why would it considering that other games that are multiplatform don't require an install on the 360 and require on on the PS3. DMC4 being a prime example exact same game, runs equal on both systems yet one has an install and one doesn't. I don't think it's a issue with the game requiring it as it is the system that needs it. Even games that were 360 first then moved to PS3 require an install like Lost Planet.

[violent]

Why would it considering that other games that are multiplatform don't require an install on the 360 and require on on the PS3. DMC4 being a prime example exact same game, runs equal on both systems yet one has an install and one doesn't. I don't think it's a issue with the game requiring it as it is the system that needs it. Even games that were 360 first then moved to PS3 require an install like Lost Planet.

The precedence is there but unfortunately it doesn't really indicate that it won't happen.

When I read your description, I laughed out loud cause I knew EXACTLY what you had in mind. :D

Check out those sweet headsets, with the microphone strapped to the chest.

I'd be lying if I said that wasn't a sexy picture.

[OldJadedGamer]

The precedence is there but unfortunately it doesn't really indicate that it won't happen.

So far, no single player game in the US requires the HDD on the 360.

[violent]

So far, no single player game in the US requires the HDD on the 360.

Again, I agree. This in no way indicates that it won't happen with this one though.

[Dukefrukem]

It won't happen. It would be too much of an FU to all customers of the Arcade.

[violent]

It won't happen. It would be too much of an FU to all customers of the Arcade.

Kinda like the memory requirements of of the new avatar interface? What of all the core owners? And this isn't something they really have a choice on. I'm not saying this is indicative of anything just that screwing a certain audience isn't really above some folks.

[Dukefrukem]

Kinda like the memory requirements of of the new avatar interface? What of all the core owners? And this isn't something they really have a choice on. I'm not saying this is indicative of anything just that screwing a certain audience isn't really above some folks.

I'm not familiar with that avatar reference. What is it?

[violent]

I'm not familiar with that avatar reference. What is it?

I'm looking for the actual story for you. It's about the new interface requiring an install. Word is though that MS will be offering refurbed 20gb for a discounted or a free 512mb card for core owners. It's a cool gesture, I just wonder how much space will be left on the 512 after install. Also, what would happen if the card is misplaced? Could they still play?

[Dukefrukem]

I'm looking for the actual story for you. It's about the new interface requiring an install. Word is though that MS will be offering refurbed 20gb for a discounted or a free 512mb card for core owners. It's a cool gesture, I just wonder how much space will be left on the 512 after install. Also, what would happen if the card is misplaced? Could they still play?

If that's true, it feels like Microsoft didn't really have much planning with the 360 to begin with. They had to assume the scenario that HD-DVD would fail. Or that technology would reach a point where a hard drive would be required...

[DoctorFinger]

I'm looking for the actual story for you. It's about the new interface requiring an install. Word is though that MS will be offering refurbed 20gb for a discounted or a free 512mb card for core owners. It's a cool gesture, I just wonder how much space will be left on the 512 after install. Also, what would happen if the card is misplaced? Could they still play?
Here's the story (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showthread.php?t=1118). If you can show MS you are really low on space they'll send you either a 512 memory card for free, or a 20GB HDD for $20. The NXE will take up 128MB or thereabouts. And yes, you'll now be required to have the memory in the machine to play (I believe)

[violent]

Thank you good doctor.

[Johan]

If we're going to give up one of my kids for a game, I'd like it to be a game that I care about. This one ain't it.

[JayVe]

I'm looking for the actual story for you. It's about the new interface requiring an install. Word is though that MS will be offering refurbed 20gb for a discounted or a free 512mb card for core owners. It's a cool gesture, I just wonder how much space will be left on the 512 after install. Also, what would happen if the card is misplaced? Could they still play?
Sorry, Microsoft GIVING you a memory card is an excellent move. They didn't need to do that. Imagine Nintendo turning around and giving people SD cards when they run out of space on the Wii just from saving games and downloading free channels. Sure, you could misplace the memory card, but you could also misplace a hard drive! (Removable, ya know) The 360 has 2 memory card slots. Simply plop the card into slot 2 and bang. Done.

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm looking for the actual story for you. It's about the new interface requiring an install. Word is though that MS will be offering refurbed 20gb for a discounted or a free 512mb card for core owners. It's a cool gesture, I just wonder how much space will be left on the 512 after install. Also, what would happen if the card is misplaced? Could they still play?

How is this any different then the PS2 and Network adapter? You were required to have a memory card for the Network adapter to work and save the network settings. If you misplaced your memory card, your network adapter became worthless.

They have stated that *some* features of the NXE required a memory card, not every single one or the entire thing in general.

Back on topic, it's just a matter of time before some version of MGS4 comes to the 360.

[Dukefrukem]

Sorry, Microsoft GIVING you a memory card is an excellent move. They didn't need to do that. Imagine Nintendo turning around and giving people SD cards when they run out of space on the Wii just from saving games and downloading free channels. Sure, you could misplace the memory card, but you could also misplace a hard drive! (Removable, ya know) The 360 has 2 memory card slots. Simply plop the card into slot 2 and bang. Done.

It's also a huge annoyance that they couldn't predict something like this. There are reasons why my 360 sits collecting dust and this is just adding to the list.

[JayVe]

It's also a huge annoyance that they couldn't predict something like this. There are reasons why my 360 sits collecting dust and this is just adding to the list.

Right.

Just like how Sony gave everyone a rumbling controller cause they couldn't predict that rumble WASN'T old-generation technology. Oh wait! They DIDN'T!

Pathetic :rolleyes:

[Dukefrukem]

Right.

Just like how Sony gave everyone a rumbling controller cause they couldn't predict that rumble WASN'T old-generation technology. Oh wait! They DIDN'T!

Pathetic :rolleyes:

How is that even close to what we're talking about? I didn't pick up a Rumble controller... at least not until I threw my original SixAxiS and broke it. It's not even a requirement to play anything.

[JayVe]

How is that even close to what we're talking about? I didn't pick up a Rumble controller... at least not until I threw my original SixAxiS and broke it. It's not even a requirement to play anything.
It's also a huge annoyance that they couldn't predict something like this. There are reasons why my PS3 sits collecting dust and this is just adding to the list.

Oh, it is a requirement? Maybe that's why Microsoft is GIVING the necessary equipment away!

Like I said... pathetic. :rolleyes:

[DoctorFinger]

No, it's dumb that the HDD wasn't a requirement. Being able to say that they had a system at launch for $300 wasn't worth the hassle it's caused since.

[Dukefrukem]

It's also a huge annoyance that they couldn't predict something like this. There are reasons why my PS3 sits collecting dust and this is just adding to the list.

Oh, it is a requirement? Maybe that's why Microsoft is GIVING the necessary equipment away!

Like I said... pathetic. :rolleyes:

i know it's pathetic that they need to take a loss because they didn't take the proper initiative when designing the 360. Glad we agree.

[violent]

Sorry, Microsoft GIVING you a memory card is an excellent move.
My previous statement wasn't supposed to be contradictory to your point here.

How is this any different then the PS2 and Network adapter? You were required to have a memory card for the Network adapter to work and save the network settings. If you misplaced your memory card, your network adapter became worthless.
Even if this kind of thing was the standard for the last 20 years, it doesn't make it any less problematic.

[OldJadedGamer]

It's also a huge annoyance that they couldn't predict something like this. There are reasons why my 360 sits collecting dust and this is just adding to the list.

No one complained that it was a huge annoyance that the Network Adapter for the PS2 required a memory card to operate. Why didn't Sony predict something like that?

[violent]

No one complained that it was a huge annoyance that the Network Adapter for the PS2 required a memory card to operate. Why didn't Sony predict something like that?

Now that we've established that all companies get away with shit, why not answer his question?

[KingGorilla]

Anyone who responds to a rumor or announcement like this other than "good" or "who gives a flying fuck?" need not hit the submit button.

[Johan]

Anyone who responds to a rumor or announcement like this other than "good" or "who gives a flying fuck?" need not hit the submit button.

Irony . :D

[Ondo]

No, it's dumb that the HDD wasn't a requirement. Being able to say that they had a system at launch for $300 wasn't worth the hassle it's caused since.
That's not why they left out the HDD. As Peter Moore says here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2008/sep/11/playstation.microsoft1?gusrc=rss&feed=technology):
And in the same way, not having a hard drive in every Xbox 360 was a hard decision, but we wanted to get price under control. The hard drive in every Xbox killed us; we we're still selling it at $199 and the hard drive was like $70.
IMO, their mistake was using proprietary memory cards instead of SD cards. If they had an SD card slot, like all the other next-gen systems, it might have been reasonable to pass on a HDD.

[Dukefrukem]

No one complained that it was a huge annoyance that the Network Adapter for the PS2 required a memory card to operate. Why didn't Sony predict something like that?

So you're saying that Microsoft should have learned from Sony's mistakes? That's even worse that they ignored them!

[Disgustipated]

Irony . :D

It's more stupidity, I think.

[OldJadedGamer]

Now that we've established that all companies get away with shit, why not answer his question?

Because there is no answer to why a company or anyone else can't predict the future.

So you're saying that Microsoft should have learned from Sony's mistakes? That's even worse that they ignored them!

It's not a mistake if no one complained ;)

[violent]

Because there is no answer to why a company or anyone else can't predict the future.

Now you've got yourself a good answer. If they all could, they'd all be successful.

[KingGorilla]

Irony . :D

My feeling of both was not implicit?

[Karak]

No, it's dumb that the HDD wasn't a requirement. Being able to say that they had a system at launch for $300 wasn't worth the hassle it's caused since.

...By hassle I am assuming you are meaning that the majority of shared games run equally well or better on my 360, that live is amazing and that I can play custom soundtracks on my 360, and that games that MAY or MAY NOT come out on the system MAY or MAY NOT need a memory card...
All joking aside. I think hassle is WAY overboard.

[EternalGamer]

I really don't even see why this matters. Anyone who wants to play MGS 4 in a reasonable period of time in the future will get a PS3. The idea that they are still "considering it" means (at best) maybe a 2010 release. Meanwhile there are a lot of great PS3 releases such as Little Big Planet that will never appear anywhere else regardless.

360 is the best system on the market today. But if you already have one, PS3 should be your next consideration and the continual growth of the PS3 library plus BluRay is enough to justify that consideration in my opinion. No reason a very vague possibility of a 360 version of MGS4 in the very, very distant future should dissuade anyone at all.

[Dukefrukem]

360 is the best system on the market today.

at this point in time, i don't even know how you can say this.

[crazyD]

360 is the best system on the market today.

Disagree. If I had the choice of owning one of the two today, I'd probably go with the PS3. Good game selection, free multiplayer, more stable hardware with more features. If you asked me a year ago, I would go with the 360 due to the library, but the PS3 has buffed theirs up quite a bit. Personally, I would be happy with a PC and a Wii over either of them.

[MalReynolds]

Loves my PS3 but i still love my 360 morre

[OldJadedGamer]

Loves my PS3 but i still love my 360 more

Me too. I was playing Uncharted by myself last night then got bored when I hit a point where it's nothing but shoot, shoot, shoot, cover... shoot, shoot so I turned it off and fired up my 360 to see if I wanted to play something there then all of a sudden I got 5 invites to play the Call of Duty 5 beta with my best friends. It made me miss not playing my 360.

The PS3 is a good machine and I really like it but I do feel disconnected and isolated when I'm playing it. The 360 really is the best system for social gaming.

[EternalGamer]

at this point in time, i don't even know how you can say this.

Because it is currently the cheapest system on the market, has a great library for people that are gamers (I don't care about Wii java flash games), and the best online experience available.

I still really like PSN and the PS3 is becoming an incredibly strong system. In terms of all around value in terms of hardware, it is far more bang for your buck, but the 360 has the best game library and interface.

[violent]

Because it is currently the cheapest system on the market, has a great library for people that are gamers (I don't care about Wii java flash games), and the best online experience available.


I currently prefer my PS3 to the 360 because while what you say is true, (bigger library, cheaper, better network infrastructure) it all unfortunately means jack shit if it's broken. And it breaks. Alot. Such a fundamental aspect of a home console completely borked. If they were to fix that permanently then the only gripe I'd have with the 360 is the loud drive. Something that is already on it's way to being rectified.

[Dukefrukem]

I currently prefer my PS3 to the 360 because while what you say is true, (bigger library, cheaper, better network infrastructure) it all unfortunately means jack shit if it's broken. And it breaks. Alot. Such a fundamental aspect of a home console completely borked. If they were to fix that permanently then the only gripe I'd have with the 360 is the loud drive. Something that is already on it's way to being rectified.

How about better upcoming games to look forward to...

Resistance 2
Motorstorm 2
Killzone 2
LBP

[violent]

How about better upcoming games to look forward to...


Games are a personal choice. Any time someone argues why a person doesn't like a supposedly great game it confuses me. We can't all like the same stuff, you know? Point is, I think a person should really go where their type of game is. It's a completely different story if they are unable to play after making said choice.

I'm not trying to disagree with you on your list, I'm personally looking forward to a few of those but the people who don't like them have a just as valid opinion.

[Johan]

How about better upcoming games to look forward to...

Resistance 2
Motorstorm 2
Killzone 2
LBP

Not a single one of those persuades me to want to buy the system.

[OldJadedGamer]

Because it is currently the cheapest system on the market, has a great library for people that are gamers (I don't care about Wii java flash games), and the best online experience available.

I still really like PSN and the PS3 is becoming an incredibly strong system. In terms of all around value in terms of hardware, it is far more bang for your buck, but the 360 has the best game library and interface.

But you aren't looking at the "value" added by the magical powers of the Blu-rays!!!!!!! Seriously though, if you like Sony made games and you play with yourself most of the time then the PS3 is a great system to get especially now that all third party games are equal on the system. Personally, I still think it's overpriced for the gaming experience it offers. At $299 it will fly off shelves. I paid $220 for mine and I think I got a fair deal.

But if games are what is important to you, you want to save some cash on the system and use it to buy more games, play 99.9% of all third party games, with the system with the best online infrastructure then get a 360.

Owning both, I can see how unique they are to two different kinds of gamers and people should just pick the one that fits their gaming habits the best.

[JayVe]

IMO, their [Microsoft's] mistake was using proprietary memory cards instead of SD cards. If they had an SD card slot, like all the other next-gen systems, it might have been reasonable to pass on a HDD.This would have been a brilliant move. You deserve a cookie and a time machine.

[JayVe]

How about better upcoming games to look forward to...

Resistance 2
Motorstorm 2
Killzone 2
LBP

I'm looking forward to LBP, but riddle me this:

If Resistance and Motorstorm didn't convince someone to buy a buy a PS3, why would Resistance 2 or Motorstorm 2 convince someone? Is providing more of the same really a way to win someone over a second time?

Salesperson: Ahh! Buy this wonderful apple sir. It is fresh and tasty, just picked it off the tree!

Customer: No thanks. I don't like the taste of apples.

*stomp stomp*

Salesperson: Ahh! Good sir, perhaps you would like our new and improved product... applesauce!

Edit: Isn't insanity defined something like 'doing the same thing and expecting a different result?'

[crazyD]

I'm looking forward to LBP, but riddle me this:

If Resistance and Motorstorm didn't convince someone to buy a buy a PS3, why would Resistance 2 or Motorstorm 2 convince someone? Is providing more of the same really a way to win someone over a second time?

Salesperson: Ahh! Buy this wonderful apple sir. It is fresh and tasty, just picked it off the tree!

Customer: No thanks. I don't like the taste of apples.

*stomp stomp*

Salesperson: Ahh! Good sir, perhaps you would like our new and improved product... applesauce!

Edit: Isn't insanity defined something like 'doing the same thing and expecting a different result?'

Because they are upgraded, and the hardware is now cheaper?

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm looking forward to LBP, but riddle me this:

If Resistance and Motorstorm didn't convince someone to buy a buy a PS3, why would Resistance 2 or Motorstorm 2 convince someone? Is providing more of the same really a way to win someone over a second time?

I'm interested to see the sales numbers of these two games considering that Resistance sold because it was the only decent launch title, and Motorstorm was the first game to come out after the launch games so there was a big rukus around it. I really don't feel that these two games could have held their own if they were released outside of their launch windows.

So sales of the second ones will show just how rosy those launch goggles were for these two. Already, there is not promising comments from people coming out of the Motorstorm 2 demo.

[JayVe]

Because they are upgraded, and the hardware is now cheaper?

Sorry. The PS3s may be cheaper, but they are not upgraded. The new ones have fewer ports and no backwards compatibility. If you believe that's an upgrade, then someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

Neither of your points address what my point is, and that is the software. If someone wanted to play Motorstorm, they could have gotten a cheaper PS3. How is Motorstorm 2 going to help expand the audience beyond the current install base? Sequels to games already on your system are hardly system sellers. You are selling to the same crowd. if you liked it, you already got it.

If you didn't like those games 2 years ago, why are you going to like them now... again?

[violent]

I'm interested to see the sales numbers of these two games considering that Resistance sold because it was the only decent launch title, and Motorstorm was the first game to come out after the launch games so there was a big rukus around it. I really don't feel that these two games could have held their own if they were released outside of their launch windows.

So sales of the second ones will show just how rosy those launch goggles were for these two. Already, there is not promising comments from people coming out of the Motorstorm 2 demo.

I still play them both and I enjoy them thoroughly. Surely you aren't implying that my launch goggles are still on, are you?

[violent]

Sorry. The PS3s may be cheaper, but they are not upgraded. The new ones have fewer ports and no backwards compatibility. If you believe that's an upgrade, then someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

I think he was talking about the new installments of the games being upgrades from the originals hence, them having a selling point independent of the originals. I think.

[KingGorilla]

I think he meant that the sequels are upgrades. I could give two shits about Resistance, but the Co-Op with 8 players interrestes me a lot. Nice to see more decade old PC features make it onto the consoles.

[crazyD]

Sorry. The PS3s may be cheaper, but they are not upgraded. The new ones have fewer ports and no backwards compatibility. If you believe that's an upgrade, then someone is pulling the wool over your eyes.

I meant the games are updated, and the hardware is cheaper. These may have been games that were interesting to people at launch, but not enough to dump $600 bucks on. $400 with two generations of the games may be enough to push people over.

[JayVe]

violent: KingGorilla

Thanks. Got it now. Upgrades to software. Thanks! :D

Edit: Oh Crazy D too. Didn't see that.

I believe my analogy still holds.

Apples and applesauce. They both taste like apples, and if you don't like apples, well you go get something else. Motorstorm wasn't a game I liked, not was Resistance. Some people don't like JRPGs. So give them an 'enhanced JRPG' and they still won't like it. By refining the game and adding some bells, do you really think they will sway a large new audience?

[KingGorilla]

violent: KingGorilla

Thanks. Got it now. Upgrades to software. Thanks! :D

It was obviously the intense Sony fanboyism of the poster that caused him to post such vagaries.

[violent]

It was obviously the intense Sony fanboyism of the poster that caused him to post such vagaries.

Technically, his statement was correct.

[JayVe]

I'm interested to see the sales numbers of these two games

This will be interesting to watch. On the one hand, titles like Resistance and Motorstorm sold over a long time since there was little else on the system. These days, the install base is much bigger. It will be fun to watch.

Wasn't someone on here the other day saying that in most cases sequels sell less than their predecessors?

[violent]

Personally, Motorstorm 2 is a toss up. Resistance 2? I'm almost certain it'll do better than the original. Might even push some sales for Fall of Man in the process.

[OldJadedGamer]

I still play them both and I enjoy them thoroughly. Surely you aren't implying that my launch goggles are still on, are you?

Not talking about one person but more of a group. I know at least 3 PS3 owners that bought Resistance only because it was the best launch title and do not plan on picking up the second (they are getting LBP instead).

Personally, at launch it was the only game I really made a point to play because everyone was saying it was the best the system had to offer at the time. I didn't seek out Untold Legends.

So sales will show if these titles can stand on their own or if the first ones were flukes and just were riding the launch hype. They both are in my stack of backlog games to play though.

[Disgustipated]

How about better upcoming games to look forward to...

Resistance 2
Motorstorm 2
Killzone 2
LBP

Fable 2
Gears of War 2
Left 4 Dead
Banjo 3

Hm. ;)

[Johan]

My feeling of both was not implicit?

Additional irony. :D Please carry on!

[Karak]

Fable 2
Gears of War 2
Left 4 Dead
Banjo 3

Hm. ;)
Each one of those is on my list of Awesome.

But for some reason Left 4 Dead and the impressions I read of people instantly being forced to work as a team.
EPIC AWESOME

[KingGorilla]

Fable 2
Gears of War 2
Left 4 Dead
Banjo 3

Hm. ;)

Banjo? Weren't you a zygote when Banjo first came out?

[Disgustipated]

Banjo? Weren't you a zygote when Banjo first came out?

Banjo Kazooie release date: 1998

My age: 9 years old. Perfect age to appreciate Banjo.

I'm sure you were in training at the school of pompous asses at that point, though. :p

[KingGorilla]

Motherfucker, I was teaching.

[crazyD]

I believe my analogy still holds.

Apples and applesauce. They both taste like apples, and if you don't like apples, well you go get something else. Motorstorm wasn't a game I liked, not was Resistance. Some people don't like JRPGs. So give them an 'enhanced JRPG' and they still won't like it. By refining the game and adding some bells, do you really think they will sway a large new audience?

Right, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who were interested in the PS3 at launch, but were not interested in the relatively small line up and high price. Now, newer, better versions of the launch software are coming out, and the system is cheaper. I don't think a lot of the core gamers were turned off by the games themselves.

I would equate it more to, I like apples, but these ones are too small and expensive. Now, more and bigger apples are available, and they are cheaper to buy.

[JayVe]

Killzone 2Is Killzone 2 even coming out this year?

[Dukefrukem]

Fable 2
Gears of War 2
Left 4 Dead
Banjo 3

Hm. ;)

If by saying Hmmm I guess you mean that I'll be playing Gears of War 2 and Left 4 Dead on my PC.

[Dukefrukem]

I'm looking forward to LBP, but riddle me this:

If Resistance and Motorstorm didn't convince someone to buy a buy a PS3, why would Resistance 2 or Motorstorm 2 convince someone? Is providing more of the same really a way to win someone over a second time?

Salesperson: Ahh! Buy this wonderful apple sir. It is fresh and tasty, just picked it off the tree!

Customer: No thanks. I don't like the taste of apples.

*stomp stomp*

Salesperson: Ahh! Good sir, perhaps you would like our new and improved product... applesauce!

Edit: Isn't insanity defined something like 'doing the same thing and expecting a different result?'

I thought the lack of sales of the PS3 was due to the $600 price tag. Wasn't that what you said earlier?

[JayVe]

I would equate it more to, I like apples, but these ones are too small and expensive. Now, more and bigger apples are available, and they are cheaper to buy.

Which still won't help if you don't like apples.

The system is already more appealing this holiday than before because of its price, but it is still expensive considering the competition. Your price conscious consumer has MANY MANY OPTIONS, including a PS2, yet here's the kicker. If you gain a new "Value" customer who didn't have a system before (a new gamer - like a parent), by selling them a PS2, you have no upgrade path to eventually convert them into being a PS3 customer years later. Backwards compatibility has been removed, and 'value' consumers want to make sure that they can bring along their old software... even if they never use it. A 'value' customer paid for it, and wants to feel like they are still getting value from their previous collection.

I'd wager that, instead of trying two sequels, they would be better off if they had put the effort into making two new, interesting games to woo new customers into giving the system a chance.

[crazyD]

If by saying Hmmm I guess you mean that I'll be playing Gears of War 2 and Left 4 Dead on my PC.

Well, they have specifically stated that Gears of War 2 is not coming out on PC, but Left 4 Dead is a game that will be best on PC anyway.

[crazyD]

Which still won't help if you don't like apples. The system is already more appealing this holiday than before because of its price, but it is still expensive considering the competition. Your price conscious consumer has MANY MANY OPTIONS, including a PS2. Also of note: If you gain a new "Value" customer who didn't have a system before (a new gamer - like a parent), by selling them a PS2, you have no upgrade path to eventually convert them into being a PS3 customer years later, cause you removed backwards compatibility from the PS3.

I'd wager that, instead of trying two sequels, they would be better off if they had put the effort into making two new, interesting games to woo new customers into giving the system a chance.

Do you honestly think that core gamers have no interest in these sequels to critically lauded games in core genres? Cause if so, there is no point arguing with you.

[Dukefrukem]

Games are a personal choice. Any time someone argues why a person doesn't like a supposedly great game it confuses me. We can't all like the same stuff, you know? Point is, I think a person should really go where their type of game is. It's a completely different story if they are unable to play after making said choice.

I'm not trying to disagree with you on your list, I'm personally looking forward to a few of those but the people who don't like them have a just as valid opinion.

Good point, I like that. But I guess I was referring to blockbuster exclusive titles. You (as in any gamer) may not like Resistance, but that doesn't exclude it from being a blockbuster. Gears of War 2 may not be my kind of game, but at least I have two places to play it on.

[JayVe]

Do you honestly think that core gamers have no interest in these sequels to critically lauded games in core genres? Cause if so, there is no point arguing with you.

I'm saying that core gamers who wanted these games, purchased the system already. Just in the same way that... if metal gear Solid 4 came to the Xbox 360, it wouldn't sell systems. Just like when Bioshock came to the PS3... it didn't sell systems. I highly doubt Gears of War 2 will sell a lot of systems, cause the people who want it already have a 360 cause they played the 1st one.

More of the same won't convince many new customers. It is a *gawd I hate to use the term* Red Ocean strategy. If you want to grow your install base, you can't keep giving them the same thing.

[Dukefrukem]

Well, they have specifically stated that Gears of War 2 is not coming out on PC, but Left 4 Dead is a game that will be best on PC anyway.

Just like Bioshock wasn't coming out for the PS3 because they had "no plans" or like Haze won't be coming out for 360?

[crazyD]

Just like Bioshock wasn't coming out for the PS3 because they had "no plans" or like Haze won't be coming out for 360?

Well, they did specifically say that they have no PC version in development, and no plans to make a PC version. I guess it is possible it will be released at some point, but it will probably be a long ways down the line, and I don't think it is anything you can count on.

[KingGorilla]

Just like Bioshock wasn't coming out for the PS3 because they had "no plans" or like Haze won't be coming out for 360?

I think the difference is that 360 owners do not want Haze, PC owners did not want Gears, but everyone wants Bioshock.

I do not think it is fair to compare Bioshock to second and third stringers.

[Dukefrukem]

I'm saying that core gamers who wanted these games, purchased the system already.

We could argue this forever but this is also a good point. Hear me out. If I knew in November of 06, what I know now... I probably wouldn't have bought the PS3 first. I was looking forward to: Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, FFXIII, MGS4, Killzone 2, Tekken 6, on the PS3 only... as time went on, a lot of these games became multiplatform... and you're right.. the people who wanted this stuff, thought they were going to continue to be on PS3 only.

However, put both consoles next to each other at the same time, knowing everything we know now, and having them launch at the same time, PS3 looks a lot more attractive to me.

[Dukefrukem]

Well, they did specifically say that they have no PC version in development, and no plans to make a PC version. I guess it is possible it will be released at some point, but it will probably be a long ways down the line, and I don't think it is anything you can count on.

It will be a year from launch like Gears. I'd put money on it.

[violent]

We should just start a fund on this site to start purchasing all current gen consoles for those missing them. Then we can all discuss games without any personal bias.

[Dukefrukem]

I think the difference is that 360 owners do not want Haze, PC owners did not want Gears, but everyone wants Bioshock.

I do not think it is fair to compare Bioshock to second and third stringers.

Good point. Bioshock was a huge success because it was one of those games that was just down right jaw dropping. Of course I'd rather play ANY FPS on PC over console.

[KingGorilla]

We should just start a fund on this site to start purchasing all current gen consoles for those missing them. Then we can all discuss games without any personal bias.

Most of IGC owns all three, but they are anti-nintendo apparently.

[Dukefrukem]

We should just start a fund on this site to start purchasing all current gen consoles for those missing them. Then we can all discuss games without any personal bias.

What games are people down talking without playing?

PS: btw, reason im posting so much tonight is because the sox are getting their ass kicked and i'm pissed.

[crazyD]

We should just start a fund on this site to start purchasing all current gen consoles for those missing them. Then we can all discuss games without any personal bias.

I don't really think that would stop some people.

[JayVe]

We should just start a fund on this site to start purchasing all current gen consoles for those missing them. Then we can all discuss games without any personal bias.

I have all three. Four if you consider the PS2 inside my PS3. :D

[KingGorilla]

What games are people down talking without playing?

I kind of did it to MGS 4, but mostly to say I cannot put up with the poop flinging monkey.

[violent]

I just think that some folk are easy to downplay a system without owning it. I may be wrong on that but the idea of buying everyone a console was a joke to begin with.

[JayVe]

...the idea of buying everyone a console was a joke to begin with.

:eek:

You should have told me that BEFORE I lopped off my left nut to get all these. :mad:

[violent]

:eek:

You should have told me that BEFORE I lopped off my left nut to get all these. :mad:

Remember the old rule, if you have two and can live with one.....actually I never heard of such a saying so I naturally wouldn't know how it'd end. I would imagine it being something like "it's not that bad" or something. I don't know. I'll save my left nut for a condo.

[JayVe]

If you have two and can live with one... it'll still hurt like a bitch.

[violent]

If you have two but live with one......you'll never be more than half.

[Dukefrukem]

If you have two but live with one... you're Kamalot.

[JayVe]

If you have two but live with one... you're Kamalot.

Good thing I have all three (http://www.colonyofgamers.com/cogforums/showpost.php?p=28204&postcount=153). :p

[Tel Prydain]

Hope it offically comes to 360 so I can not buy it on a system I own.

[Johan]

Motherfucker, I was teaching.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

-a teacher

Hope it offically comes to 360 so I can not buy it on a system I own.


I hope it officially comes to the DS so I can tell everyone I'm not carrying it around in my DS. And I hope it comes on like twenty different carts, and you have to swap them out periodically...(impossible, I know). :)

[KingGorilla]

So you are saying I cannot be a pompous ass?

That is a nice compliment.

[Johan]

So you are saying I cannot be a pompous ass?

That is a nice compliment.

I yield the floor/podium.

After all, you are the king. And a gorilla, too! :)

[MalReynolds]

Go Johan Go lol Well i havnt a clue what im sayin :P

[Durka-Dan]

I really hope the 360 gets it. Not so I can play it because I already have, but so it can be laid to rest. I think Zero Punctuations review of it was spot on. Check it out if you haven't yet and are still looking on picking it up in the future. Perhaps it will deter you. The bottom line is that this is not the game I was hoping for and the FEW times you do actually sneak around it isn't any fun.

[Gorvi]

I really hope the 360 gets it. Not so I can play it because I already have, but so it can be laid to rest. I think Zero Punctuations review of it was spot on. Check it out if you haven't yet and are still looking on picking it up in the future. Perhaps it will deter you. The bottom line is that this is not the game I was hoping for and the FEW times you do actually sneak around it isn't any fun.
What exactly were you hoping for? It was an evolution of what Metal Gear has been and it did that incredibly well. Were you unfamiliar with the series?

[Squidbot]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/linvuiet/Animated/g-a-f_meter.gif

[Durka-Dan]

What exactly were you hoping for? It was an evolution of what Metal Gear has been and it did that incredibly well. Were you unfamiliar with the series?

Quite the opposite. I LOVED the series and have played and beat the entire series including some of the pre-ps1 titles. What was the main attraction for me was the tactical espionage action. However, over half of MGS4 was not tactical. I spent more time in FPS/over the shoulder mode taking down enemies than I ever have in any other Metal Gear game. To me the series was about sneaking missions and doing that in the middle of a war was just regoddamndiculous. Metal Gear is about sneaking around enemy bases with them being, mostly, unaware of your presence and outsmarting the enemy and their surveilance equipment. If I was totally in MGS for the story I suppose I would have enjoyed the game more, but I was in it for the sneaking-throat-cutting-peeping-tom-style-avoid-the-puddle-on-the-floor action. The deep character plots was just icing on the cake. A cake made mostly of icing is not my kind of cke.

[Gorvi]

Quite the opposite. I LOVED the series and have played and beat the entire series including some of the pre-ps1 titles. What was the main attraction for me was the tactical espionage action. However, over half of MGS4 was not tactical. I spent more time in FPS/over the shoulder mode taking down enemies than I ever have in any other Metal Gear game. To me the series was about sneaking missions and doing that in the middle of a war was just regoddamndiculous. Metal Gear is about sneaking around enemy bases with them being, mostly, unaware of your presence and outsmarting the enemy and their surveilance equipment. If I was totally in MGS for the story I suppose I would have enjoyed the game more, but I was in it for the sneaking-throat-cutting-peeping-tom-style-avoid-the-puddle-on-the-floor action. The deep character plots was just icing on the cake. A cake made mostly of icing is not my kind of cke.
I actually snuck through just about the entire game. The only part that was rather chaotic for me where I felt I almost had to go in guns blazing was in the second act when you go into that large house. Otherwise, the stealth seemed to be on par with what you did in 3. The game wasn't as good as 3 (hell, very few games are), but it was still a very good game.

[Durka-Dan]

I actually snuck through just about the entire game. The only part that was rather chaotic for me where I felt I almost had to go in guns blazing was in the second act when you go into that large house. Otherwise, the stealth seemed to be on par with what you did in 3. The game wasn't as good as 3 (hell, very few games are), but it was still a very good game.

I don't know, I can recall quite a few more mandatory fight club scenes. The room just before you fight the puppet gal, the long bay scene where you have to fight past the chupacabras and moo moo cows after you're launched onto the giant sting ray of a boat by rediculous means. It may be POSSIBLE to sneak past everything on your next few playthroughs or dropping stun and chaff grendades like there's no tomorrow, but really it's just not ethical. :D ...or fun.

[MalReynolds]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/linvuiet/Animated/g-a-f_meter.gif

That is wicked XD

[TheFlyingOrc]

Personally, Motorstorm 2 is a toss up. Resistance 2? I'm almost certain it'll do better than the original. Might even push some sales for Fall of Man in the process.

I don't expect it to do that much better than the original. If you'll recall, freaking Red Steel sold about as many copies as Resistance did at launch because of launch goggles.

Resistance sold well because it was the best game out at launch. Had it come out a year later, it would barely be remembered.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

Those who can't teach, teach P.E.

[Gorvi]

I don't know, I can recall quite a few more mandatory fight club scenes. The room just before you fight the puppet gal, the long bay scene where you have to fight past the chupacabras and moo moo cows after you're launched onto the giant sting ray of a boat by rediculous means. It may be POSSIBLE to sneak past everything on your next few playthroughs or dropping stun and chaff grendades like there's no tomorrow, but really it's just not ethical. :D ...or fun.
You made it through that boat fighting?!! Holy crap, man. I snuck through that whole thing just sniping the Frogs when I got the chance to avoid being seen.
Resistance sold well because it was the best game out at launch. Had it come out a year later, it would barely be remembered.
False. It's actually a damn fun game, a hell of a lot better than your average FPS.

[TheFlyingOrc]

False. It's actually a damn fun game, a hell of a lot better than your average FPS.
So are a lot of games. Tons of good FPSes come out and are almost instantly forgotten. Resistance is no Halo.

[Gorvi]

So are a lot of games. Tons of good FPSes come out and are almost instantly forgotten. Resistance is no Halo.
Yeah, it's actually a good game. ;)

[OldJadedGamer]

False. It's actually a damn fun game, a hell of a lot better than your average FPS.

Sales and reviews say otherwise though with many reviews putting the score at "average".

[TheFlyingOrc]

Yeah, it's actually a good game. ;)

Halo 1 is a good game, and I'll defend it to the death. I'm no fanboy, as I first played Halo 1 the week before Halo 3 came out. :)

Halo 2 & 3? Those are pretty big "meh"s.

[Gorvi]

Sales and reviews say otherwise though with many reviews putting the score at "average".
An 87% GameRankings average with 40 reviews over 90% is "average" to you? What the hell do you consider above average then?

[Gorvi]

Halo 1 is a good game, and I'll defend it to the death. I'm no fanboy, as I first played Halo 1 the week before Halo 3 came out. :)

Halo 2 & 3? Those are pretty big "meh"s.
I can't comment on the multiplayer, as I just don't do that kind of thing with FPSs, but I could not bring myself to get through the single player of either of the first 2 Halo games. I bought the first with my original XBOX about a year before Halo 2 came out and I bought Halo 2 the day it came out. They weren't bad games, they just didn't compel me to play through them at all.

[Dukefrukem]

False. It's actually a damn fun game, a hell of a lot better than your average FPS.

This is correct. His statement sounded like one who hasn't played it.

[Dukefrukem]

Halo 1 is a good game, and I'll defend it to the death. I'm no fanboy, as I first played Halo 1 the week before Halo 3 came out. :)

Halo 2 & 3? Those are pretty big "meh"s.

I'll agree to that. I played the shit out of Halo 1 in college. It's all my friends wanted to play. Personally, I didn't like it as much, but the craze around the game was awesome. Everyone wanted to play, so there was always someone to play with.

[TheFlyingOrc]

This is correct. His statement sounded like one who hasn't played it.

I have not. I have scanned reviews. If the general review populous isn't enamored, I'm not going to worry my little head over it.

[OldJadedGamer]

An 87% GameRankings average with 40 reviews over 90% is "average" to you? What the hell do you consider above average then?

Fine if you want to compare it to Haze, then yes it was above average.

[Dukefrukem]

I have not. I have scanned reviews. If the general review populous isn't enamored, I'm not going to worry my little head over it.

And why should you? You let people decide your opinion for you. ;)

[Gorvi]

Fine if you want to compare it to Haze, then yes it was above average.
Or the vast majority of FPSs? Or do most games in your world get that many high reviews?

[Virtual Machine]

Or the vast majority of FPSs? Or do most games in your world get that many high reviews?

It was also the first PS3 game to break 1 million sold...

Just sayin'

[OldJadedGamer]

Or the vast majority of FPSs? Or do most games in your world get that many high reviews?

The games that I buy and play months on end with my friends... yes. And I buy a *lot* of FPS games. I just stopped playing Call of Duty 4 online a few weeks ago and I've had it since launch.

I would say Resistance was equal to Shadowrun or Lost Planet.

It was also the first PS3 game to break 1 million sold...

Just sayin'

Not in the US it wasn't. That title goes to Call of Duty 4. As of November 2007 (the month COD4 released) Resistance was only at 780k sold according to NPD.

[Gorvi]

The games that I buy and play months on end with my friends... yes. And I buy a *lot* of FPS games. I just stopped playing Call of Duty 4 online a few weeks ago and I've had it since launch.

I would say Resistance was equal to Shadowrun or Lost Planet.
And now you're trying to project your own opinion when before you were saying the reviews were very average. Big difference.

Of course, if you're just basing this off of the multiplayer, you and I are talking about completely different things.

[TheFlyingOrc]

And why should you? You let people decide your opinion for you. ;)

As opposed to basing it primarily on reinforcing my earlier purchase decisions like you? Sure!

p.s. that's what reviews are for and there's no shame in trusting reviewers to let you know if a game is good

[TheFlyingOrc]

An 87% GameRankings average with 40 reviews over 90% is "average" to you? What the hell do you consider above average then?
Plus launch hype bias. The game had hype, being the best PS3 release at launch. GTA4 isn't the best game of all time, either.

[Dukefrukem]

As opposed to basing it primarily on reinforcing my earlier purchase decisions like you? Sure!

p.s. that's what reviews are for and there's no shame in trusting reviewers to let you know if a game is good

I wonder how good movies would do in the box office if people actually read reviews of them before they went and saw them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[TheFlyingOrc]

I wonder how good movies would do in the box office if people actually read reviews of them before they went and saw them. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

What? First off, to grammar nazi you, it's "how well".

Second, are you trying to form some kind of argument here, or do you just pee on your keyboard and see what sentences come out? Movies DO often do much better or worse based off reviews, and it's even more sensible to look into it for games, as a game is a much larger investment.

[Gorvi]

Plus launch hype bias. The game had hype, being the best PS3 release at launch. GTA4 isn't the best game of all time, either.
You're right in that regard, but that works two ways. Especially with the rather negative press the console had around when it launched, I doubt it would have reviewed well if it were a bad game.

I know I bought it with my PS3 mostly because it was the only game that interested me at the time, but it turned out to be a very good game. I was pleasantly surprised.

[Dukefrukem]

Second, are you trying to form some kind of argument here, or do you just pee on your keyboard and see what sentences come out? Movies DO often do much better or worse based off reviews, and it's even more sensible to look into it for games, as a game is a much larger investment.

Thanks for avoiding my point. And movies do NOT often do much better or worse. If that were the case, The Happening would not have made a penny.

[violent]

I don't expect it to do that much better than the original. If you'll recall, freaking Red Steel sold about as many copies as Resistance did at launch because of launch goggles.

Resistance sold well because it was the best game out at launch. Had it come out a year later, it would barely be remembered.

You talk as if being a launch title is the only thing that is going to push R2 sales.

[TheFlyingOrc]

You're right in that regard, but that works two ways. Especially with the rather negative press the console had around when it launched, I doubt it would have reviewed well if it were a bad game.

I know I bought it with my PS3 mostly because it was the only game that interested me at the time, but it turned out to be a very good game. I was pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, but I've played tons of "pretty good games" and had quite a lot of fun with them, that doesn't mean that I think they're great.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Thanks for avoiding my point. And movies do NOT often do much better or worse. If that were the case, The Happening would not have made a penny.

And this means I should not use reviews to gauge games because...?

[Gorvi]

Yeah, but I've played tons of "pretty good games" and had quite a lot of fun with them, that doesn't mean that I think they're great.
Oh, I wasn't trying to say it's great, at least not for everyone. Resistance is no Bioshock. It is, however, a very good game that, if it had more time, could have been great. Resistance 2 very well could live up to that.

[Dukefrukem]

And this means I should not use reviews to gauge games because...?

You can do whatever you want. I was just proving your point wrong. I'd rather have my own opinion about something rather than someone telling me what to think before I even see or play it. I understand the purpose of reviews, but if we all followed reviews, a lot of cult classics or sleepers would pass us by.

[TheFlyingOrc]

You can do whatever you want. I was just proving your point wrong. I'd rather have my own opinion about something rather than someone telling me what to think before I even see or play it. I understand the purpose of reviews, but if we all followed reviews, a lot of cult classics or sleepers would pass us by.

What? You never addressed that point in what you posted earlier. Of course I'd rather have my own opinion on a game - however, the only way to do that is to PLAY IT, and when I'm trying to decide WHICH GAMES TO PLAY, it doesn't make any sense to PLAY ALL OF THEM.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Oh, I wasn't trying to say it's great, at least not for everyone. Resistance is no Bioshock. It is, however, a very good game that, if it had more time, could have been great. Resistance 2 very well could live up to that.

Right, and I don't believe any comment I've made so far has been pointed at the original, not a sequel.

Also, I find most sequels don't outstrip the originals by a large margin. I direct you to Halo 2.

[violent]

Also, I find most sequels don't outstrip the originals by a large margin. I direct you to Halo 2.

Yeah, well......

I'm actually hard up for finding a sequel that vastly surpassed the original. Not that this fact should be indicative of anything, it's simply a fun exercise.

[Gorvi]

Right, and I don't believe any comment I've made so far has been pointed at the original, not a sequel.

Also, I find most sequels don't outstrip the originals by a large margin. I direct you to Halo 2.
That's a bad example I think. A lot of sequels are huge improvements over the originals. The best example I can think of offhand would be Zone of the Enders: The Second Runner, but I know there are a lot more than that.

[TheFlyingOrc]

That's a bad example I think. A lot of sequels are huge improvements over the originals. The best example I can think of offhand would be Zone of the Enders: The Second Runner, but I know there are a lot more than that.

Sure! Super Mario Brothers 2. Mega Man X2, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link!

The list goes on!

[Dukefrukem]

it doesn't make any sense to PLAY ALL OF THEM.

Why doesn't that make any sense? I'm not talking about all games in the world just the bigger titles.

[TheFlyingOrc]

Why doesn't that make any sense? I'm not talking about all games in the world just the bigger titles.
So we'd miss hidden gems, but I should play all of the bigger titles. You're making contradictory arguments.

Let me tell you what your argument is. A handful of times, reviewers haven't liked a game that you thought was pretty good. You, therefore, instead of saying "I should try to figure out what kinds of things reviewers like that I don't" decided "Reviewers are dumb and I hate them and anyone who uses them is dumb".

What I'm trying to say is you're dumb.

[Dukefrukem]

Uggg you know what I mean. stop twisting my words. Way to bring this to personal insults btw.

[JayVe]

Uggg you know what I mean. stop twisting my words. Way to bring this to personal insults btw.

I don't understand. I thought you just told people to play every game for themself to make up their own mind. Yet you recently jumped down my throat for doing just that when I checked out a game from GameFly, played it, didn't like it and returned it.

Are you even for serious? You change direction more than the wind.

As for the personal insults, you know what they say about people in glass houses... right? :cool:

[violent]

I'm confused. What are we arguing about?

[JayVe]

I'm confused. What are we arguing about?

I think we stumbled into a waffle/pancake thread... again.

Quick! Lets grab the syrup and butter!

[violent]

The internet can indeed be a scary place.

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm confused. What are we arguing about?

The PS3 firmware update not supporting pornhub.com!!!

[violent]

The PS3 firmware update not supporting pornhub.com!!!

That one maybe.

[KingGorilla]

The PS3 firmware update not supporting pornhub.com!!!

Sadly, a site that I visit more than I check my e-mail. But an awesome site, nonetheless.

[JayVe]

Sadly, a site that I visit more than I check my e-mail. But an awesome site, nonetheless.

Today, I feel like I learned a VERY important lesson.

[violent]

Today, I feel like I learned a VERY important lesson.

If by "important" you mean nauseating image then yes, I learned it too.

[Dukefrukem]

I don't understand. I thought you just told people to play every game for themself to make up their own mind. Yet you recently jumped down my throat for doing just that when I checked out a game from GameFly, played it, didn't like it and returned it.

Are you even for serious? You change direction more than the wind.

As for the personal insults, you know what they say about people in glass houses... right? :cool:

No what do they say. Tell me please.

Are you referring to Warhawk to which you never even played online?

[JayVe]

No what do they say. Tell me please.

Are you referring to Warhawk to which you never even played online?

If I didn't like the controls for Warhawk, why would I like them more online? :rolleyes:

[Dukefrukem]

If I didn't like the controls for Warhawk, why would I like them more online? :rolleyes:

Way it give it your best there killer.

[Johan]

This thread is providing a very nice bit of entertainment for my nickel in electricity. Thank you! :D

[JayVe]

Way it give it your best there killer.

Maybe you have enough time to slog through lots of games you don't like cause of someone else's reviews. Life's too short for me to waste leisure time on things I don't enjoy.

[RandoM51]

I hope it does come to 360. It will make it obvious which platform is truly nextgen and which isn't.

[JayVe]

I hope it does come to 360. It will make it obvious which platform is truly nextgen and which isn't.

Ahahaha! That's classic. Really.

Whew, I needed a good laugh. :D

[RandoM51]

Ahahaha! That's classic. Really.

Whew, I needed a good laugh. :D

Just objectively look at your anti-sony agenda if you need a good laugh.

Feel free to compare and contrast the storage capacity of DVD and BR if you want to actually pretend to be objective about the subject.

Somebody post the MGS4 for 360 picture that has 12 DVD cases. :P

[JayVe]

Feel free to compare and contrast the storage capacity of DVD and BR if you want to actually pretend to be objective about the subject.

So, storage capacity is the thing that makes the PS3 next-gen?

[MalReynolds]

Does it ?????????????

[JayVe]

Does it ?????????????

Apparently, some think that. :confused:

[Crowe]

Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with trolling something you really don't like. Provided you own it : ). I haven't forked out 700 dollars for a PS3 yet so I can't troll it.

It also provides for good entertainment.

[JayVe]

I haven't forked out 700 dollars for a PS3 yet so I can't troll it. Irony FTW! ;)



(unless the PS3 really is $700 where you live)

[DangerousDaze]

Didn't we agree to publicly hang the next person to start this rumour?

[JayVe]

Didn't we agree to publicly hang the next person to start this rumour?

I believe so, and here he is: Erik Brudvig (http://blogs.ign.com/Erik-IGN/)

All sources of this recent iteration I've seen have been tracked back to his article on IGN (http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20654).

[KingGorilla]

So, storage capacity is the thing that makes the PS3 next-gen?

When you compare the way many 360 titles work compared to say the PC, you can see how proper implimentation of a hard disc makes a difference. Sony is not quite there yet. When you compare say Oblivion, load times, pop-in, etc are very pronounced on the 360.

But the storage is a big deal as they start to roll out more movies and games. Full games available on PS3, small titles on 360. The no hard disc led to those really horrible constraints on game size. Sony also will be able to get away with less compression, some of those 360 titles are so compressed they look like an 8bit game.

None of this will matter in the grand unified future.

[MalReynolds]

Find it funny that we still call them "Next" Gen lol even tho is current

[TheFlyingOrc]

No what do they say. Tell me please.

Are you referring to Warhawk to which you never even played online?

I have changed my mind about what Duke's argument is.

The basis of his premise is "I, Dukefrukem, am not very intelligent."

[TheFlyingOrc]

Just objectively look at your anti-sony agenda if you need a good laugh.

I, too, have an anti-Sony agenda. But only because it's terribly fun. The far, far lamer thing is to get your panties in a twist because someone plays around with the console wars. I have never heard anyone accuse me of have an "anti-UNC Chapel Hill agenda" just because I attended NCSU, and we hate them. It's part of the fun. I haven't cared that people hate on Nintendo since I was 14.

What I am trying to say is grow up, manchild.

Feel free to compare and contrast the storage capacity of DVD and BR if you want to actually pretend to be objective about the subject.

Somebody post the MGS4 for 360 picture that has 12 DVD cases. :P
The picture has already been posted, and we all agreed that it was neither funny nor clever anymore.

[Johan]

I had no idea he was here until I checked his profile. Makes me sad...

As to the topic at hand, I'm sure there are people interested in the game. I suppose no games should be exclusive any more...but let's not forget that,while exclusivity is BAD, a unified gaming platform would be WORSE! :rolleyes:

What a crack-up.

[bone_matrix]

I would buy it if it came out for the 360. That is if my friend who lost a bet would ever actually get me the PS3 he owes me. In that case, I'll just pick it up for the PS3. And let it sit on my shelf saying I'll play it just like the first 3 I have sitting here. :D

Also, pornhub.com?

This community helps me again. :O

[DangerousDaze]

we all agreed that it was neither funny nor clever anymore.

Neither is this thread, but here we are on page 12, completely off-topic and just dragging up the same old "mine's better than yours" arguments and lame personal insults that have been done to death. Another Kam mission accomplished.

[JayVe]

Another Kam mission accomplished.Yup! Here we are, communicating in a forum! :D

Edit: I don't know how you can blame people throwing around insults on me. Am I responsible for other people's actions here?

[Johan]

Another Kam mission accomplished.

You take this shit too seriously. I enjoy his threads. They're awesome. :D

[DangerousDaze]

You take this shit too seriously. I enjoy his threads. They're awesome. :D

I try not to, honest! I've had a really busy few days at work and prior to that this forum was nothing but sweetness and light. When I finally manage to catch up I see this and the "PS3 Suffering" thread that are burning brightly away and am not surprised in the least to see who started both of them.

Meh, I'm just in a bad mood because of the aforementioned busy week. Usually I'm very supportive of Kam.

/edit - Sorry, Kam, didn't see you there! I'm not blaming you for other people's insults - they're responsible for their own actions. But they have buttons, and you know where they are and how to push them!

[OldJadedGamer]

Just objectively look at your anti-sony agenda if you need a good laugh.

Feel free to compare and contrast the storage capacity of DVD and BR if you want to actually pretend to be objective about the subject.

Somebody post the MGS4 for 360 picture that has 12 DVD cases. :P

Oh shit... it's Random51. Wheren't you talking about how everyone who doubted the PS3 would be crying bitter tears this year? Just curious... when do those tears start flowing because today is NPD day and I have a good hunch where those tears are going to come from...

Again, just look at the multiple mid-game installs that MGS4 requires and just look at that as separate discs for the game. And it is always amusing that it is a fact that it takes less time to swap a disc out then it does to wait for one of the multiple mid-game installs to complete.

[JayVe]

But they have buttons, and you know where they are and how to push them!

That's cause I'm a gamer. Just wait till you see what my 'waggle' does to 'em! :eek:

[Dukefrukem]

Thank god Random showed up.

[DangerousDaze]

And it is always amusing that it is a fact that it takes less time to swap a disc out then it does to wait for one of the multiple mid-game installs to complete.

Yeah, but then you don't get to play the amusing and highly dangerous MGS4 smoking game!

[TheFlyingOrc]

Thank god Random showed up.

Because you can't seem to form a coherent sentence in English?

Seriously, cheerleading for someone who can better express your viewpoint than you can is about the lamest forum behavior someone can participate in.

[Dukefrukem]

Yeah, but then you don't get to play the amusing and highly dangerous MGS4 smoking game!


He actually has a good point. Those level installs were getting really annoying.