View Full Version : On the Subject of High-Definition Gaming/Entertainment
fitbabits
10-14-2008, 12:16 PM
Don't worry, I'm not about to go all "every second posts is a PS3 post" on you, but I do want to address one thing...
Sony, if their own claims are to be believed, are where high definition is at. Right? I mean, I'm sure I could dig up posts-a-plenty from some Sony executive spouting about the PS3's capabilities for producing high definition entertainment.
Explain to me, then, just why the PS3 ships with only a standard AV connector - max resolution 480i. That's 600 lines of resolution and seven letters away from 1080p.
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
I guess it's off to monoprice to get me an HDMI cable.
Gorvi
10-14-2008, 12:31 PM
They really should ship with componant cables. You can use your old componant cables from your PS2 if you have them, that's what I did and I haven't had any problems.
fitbabits
10-14-2008, 12:37 PM
They really should ship with componant cables. You can use your old componant cables from your PS2 if you have them, that's what I did and I haven't had any problems.
I don't have them, unfortunately.
Still, there's hope - six feet HDMI cable - $4.49 (http://tinyurl.com/4dueg8)
diablopath
10-14-2008, 12:38 PM
Don't worry, I'm not about to go all "every second posts is a PS3 post" on you, but I do want to address one thing...
Sony, if their own claims are to be believed, are where high definition is at. Right? I mean, I'm sure I could dig up posts-a-plenty from some Sony executive spouting about the PS3's capabilities for producing high definition entertainment.
Explain to me, then, just why the PS3 ships with only a standard AV connector - max resolution 480i. That's 600 lines of resolution and seven letters away from 1080p.
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
I guess it's off to monoprice to get me an HDMI cable.
They're super cheap on ebay and Amazon, fits.
Schnoogs
10-14-2008, 01:00 PM
I don't think cables makes the PS3 high definition.
They expect you to provide the TV and the cables...they provide the console and the media.
Seems fair enough.
Bingley Joe
10-14-2008, 01:02 PM
Every single HDMI-capable device I have purchased since HDMI hit the market has shipped with a cable in the box... except my Sony projector.
That's just how they do. :mad:
Young Al Capone
10-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Seems fair enough.
I disagree, I think that everything required to output a high definition signal should be included in the box, only requiring you to provide a monitor to recieve that signal.
At least if they are going to be championing themselves as the only true HD console.
fitbabits
10-14-2008, 01:04 PM
I don't think cables makes the PS3 high definition.
They expect you to provide the TV and the cables...they provide the console and the media.
Seems fair enough.
I disagree. Respectfully.
If Sony wants to usher in a whole new era of HD entertainment, the LEAST they could do is throw in a $5 HDMI cable or component cables to further their goal.
MalReynolds
10-14-2008, 02:17 PM
i got mine for 9.99 so meh i loves my HDMI :)
I disagree. Respectfully.
If Sony wants to usher in a whole new era of HD entertainment, the LEAST they could do is throw in a $5 HDMI cable or component cables to further their goal.
Especially when your average guy (not anyone here) will go to Best Buy or the equivalent and get talked into a $99 version of that $5 cable you just bought, James. I agree that if it has HDMI ports it should come with the proper cables. Won't someone think of the brats opening their PS3 on Christmas day and not having an HD experience? America was founded on it (the tenets of freedom, HD signals, and porn).
Dukefrukem
10-14-2008, 02:50 PM
So much anger today. I don't get it. No one complained when the PS2 didn't ship with S-video.
rinichanraar
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
I got my HDMI cable cheap from Monoprice, too, but I got it way after getting the PS3--we bought it after getting our LCD. It does suck that it doesn't come with one though. :(
violent
10-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Theoretically, the markup on the HDMI shipped with the device would be greater then that of Monoprice. It's the whole price vs. convenience argument.
And in regards to company promises, to hell with them. Face value is where it's at.
mister slim
10-14-2008, 04:34 PM
Oddly enough, Walmart has HDMI cables pretty cheap. Not Monoprice cheap, but still.
KingGorilla
10-14-2008, 04:37 PM
Everyone does dumb shit:
Microsoft does not have a built in WiFi adapter
Sony ships with composit cables
The Wii looks like pure shit on an HDTV no matter how you slice it.
PCs...come with exactly what I build into them. Oh, wait, that's an advantage.
Wackman3000
10-14-2008, 04:42 PM
I bought my PS3 and upon the realization of no HDMI, went with the most expensive HDMI cable Best Buy would give me, complete with the bullshit story from the sales clerk.
Got home, ordered my cables and connectors from monoprice and the day they showed up, took the expensive cable back to Best Buy for a full refund. I highly recommend everyone does this since paying the insane markup on cables is absurd.
MalReynolds
10-14-2008, 06:35 PM
mine like i said were 9.99 and my friend were 120.99 and mine look as good or better
Schnoogs
10-14-2008, 06:50 PM
I disagree, I think that everything required to output a high definition signal should be included in the box, only requiring you to provide a monitor to recieve that signal.
At least if they are going to be championing themselves as the only true HD console.
Then they should also provide an internet cable...an optical cable...etc
boratika
10-14-2008, 06:55 PM
Don't worry, I'm not about to go all "every second posts is a PS3 post" on you, but I do want to address one thing...
Sony, if their own claims are to be believed, are where high definition is at. Right? I mean, I'm sure I could dig up posts-a-plenty from some Sony executive spouting about the PS3's capabilities for producing high definition entertainment.
Explain to me, then, just why the PS3 ships with only a standard AV connector - max resolution 480i. That's 600 lines of resolution and seven letters away from 1080p.
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
I guess it's off to monoprice to get me an HDMI cable.
Those are exactly my sentimonies. I guess the mark up on HDMI cables is just too delicious to pass up. Oddly enough though, I've never seen Sony branded HDMI cables.
I guess it's a lowest common denominator thing. They can count on you having composite, but not the others. Of course it's not like it would have been a very slender cost to them to make it a composite/component...:rolleyes:
Everyone does dumb shit:
Microsoft does not have a built in WiFi adapter
Sony ships with composit cables
The Wii looks like pure shit on an HDTV no matter how you slice it.
PCs...come with exactly what I build into them. Oh, wait, that's an advantage.
So what you're saying is you had to buy your HDMI cable separate too :p
Schnoogs
10-14-2008, 06:57 PM
I have no problems with them only providing the proprietary cables...are the following proprietary?
Ethernet...no
HDMI...no
Optical....no
It makes sense they provide the others.
KingGorilla
10-14-2008, 07:01 PM
So what you're saying is you had to buy your HDMI cable separate too :p
I think I went with NewEgg as they had the component cables for 20 bucks at one point.
Rogue_hunter
10-14-2008, 07:08 PM
Those are exactly my sentimonies. I guess the mark up on HDMI cables is just too delicious to pass up. Oddly enough though, I've never seen Sony branded HDMI cables.
I guess it's a lowest common denominator thing. They can count on you having composite, but not the others. Of course it's not like it would have been a very slender cost to them to make it a composite/component...:rolleyes:
I actually have seen Sony branded HDMI cables, once, at Target. They were actually cheaper than all the other brands, by at least $10 ($38 vs the $50 for all the others). The only time I ever saw them though, and they were white instead of the standard black.
And I think the "lowest common denominator" is why the composite are included with the PS3. At the time of release, HDTV didn't have as much (and still doesn't have that much) market penetration, so why spend the money on an already expensive piece of hardware to include cabling that most people aren't gonna use. The 360 Core only came with the composite cables, you had to either pay $50 for the component, or buy a Premium system to get a component cable. You have to shell out for the component cables on the Wii, and those weren't always available from launch.
bone_matrix
10-14-2008, 07:10 PM
So much anger today. I don't get it. No one complained when the PS2 didn't ship with S-video.
I could never see the difference between s-video and composite. Perhaps I had shitty tvs, but I still think that was all made up. :D
Sony not including high definition cables (component or hdmi) has always been a gripe of mine. They tout themselves and the PS3 as the end all be all of high def. Yet here are shitty cables so you can't use high def out of the box.
The pro 360 came with both component and composite, and an ethernet cable. Sony took more than one SKU from Microsoft, could have taken the cables too.
Schnoogs
10-14-2008, 07:26 PM
I could never see the difference between s-video and composite. Perhaps I had shitty tvs, but I still think that was all made up. :D.
S-Video definitely looked better over composite
pomeroy
10-14-2008, 07:29 PM
S-Video definitely looked better over composite
This is truth. I can somewhat stand my PS2 on my HDTV with S-Video...somewhat.
boratika
10-14-2008, 07:56 PM
I have no problems with them only providing the proprietary cables...are the following proprietary?
Ethernet...no
HDMI...no
Optical....no
It makes sense they provide the others.
The power cable is a standard kettle-cable, but they fortunately include that. I'm not sure what my point is...
I could never see the difference between s-video and composite. Perhaps I had shitty tvs, but I still think that was all made up. :D
There flat-out isn't a difference for PAL. So, yeah, never been an S-video fan...
Schnoogs
10-14-2008, 08:20 PM
The power cable is a standard kettle-cable, but they fortunately include that. I'm not sure what my point is...
There flat-out isn't a difference for PAL. So, yeah, never been an S-video fan...
You kind of need that to turn it on...you don't need HDMI, ethernet or optical to get it to work on your run of the mill set.
They give you the bare minimum to at least interact with the thing.
Dukefrukem
10-14-2008, 08:24 PM
S-Video definitely looked better over composite
Yup. Less shadows and ghosting like images.
Yup. Less shadows and ghosting like images.
Demonstrated on my Gamecube, there was a huge difference. It made small text readable on my old 27".
mister slim
10-14-2008, 10:01 PM
S-Video definitely looked better over composite
I wish my DC S-Video cable still worked. :(
Lutheran
10-15-2008, 03:01 AM
When one of the biggest selling points of the system is the ability to play HD Blu-ray movies..its kind of retarted that they ship the system without the HDMI cables.
EternalGamer
10-15-2008, 05:28 AM
On the PS3 you have to buy your own HD cable and headset. On the 360 you have to pay $60 a year for Live and buy your own charge cable for the controller. They are about even in turns of the amount of cash you have to put in upfront, but the PS3 is the better hardware deal in the long term.
MalReynolds
10-15-2008, 05:47 AM
No HDMI cables and No Headset pissed me off
Young Al Capone
10-15-2008, 06:49 AM
I have no problems with them only providing the proprietary cables...are the following proprietary?
Ethernet...no
HDMI...no
Optical....no
It makes sense they provide the others.
This arguement makes more sense to me.
Do they not include an internet cable? Cause that just seems wierd to me, seems like everything has one these days. I am pretty sure I found one in my breakfast cereal a week ago.
As for the signal with HDMI, the cable shouldn't make a difference beccause it is a pure digital signal. Only numbers going through, and they go through just fine without needing all that extra insulation and better quality components like an analog signal needs.
S-video was demonstratibly better on all the consoles I owned. It seperated the video into 5 channels instead of a single one if I remember right. Though it was still an analog signal, so it still needed fancy insulation and components.
As for the signal with HDMI, the cable shouldn't make a difference beccause it is a pure digital signal. Only numbers going through, and they go through just fine without needing all that extra insulation and better quality components like an analog signal needs.
This is true to a point. Independent studies (mostly people trying to debunk the expensive cables) show that around 30 feet or longer, good insulation does maintain the signal better and avoids artifacts. But most people don't need a run of more than five to ten feet at the most.
Young Al Capone
10-15-2008, 08:50 AM
This is true to a point. Independent studies (mostly people trying to debunk the expensive cables) show that around 30 feet or longer, good insulation does maintain the signal better and avoids artifacts. But most people don't need a run of more than five to ten feet at the most.
Yeah, that is a good point. I hadn't even considered it since I have never even seen an HDMI cable longer than 12 feet.
Yep, I imagine it's for bastards with home theaters and a projector in the back of the room. Bapenguin, looking in your direction...
Durka-Dan
10-15-2008, 09:53 AM
Don't worry, I'm not about to go all "every second posts is a PS3 post" on you, but I do want to address one thing...
Sony, if their own claims are to be believed, are where high definition is at. Right? I mean, I'm sure I could dig up posts-a-plenty from some Sony executive spouting about the PS3's capabilities for producing high definition entertainment.
Explain to me, then, just why the PS3 ships with only a standard AV connector - max resolution 480i. That's 600 lines of resolution and seven letters away from 1080p.
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
I guess it's off to monoprice to get me an HDMI cable.
Actually I see it as a reasonable move by Sony. Yes the machine is capable of some awesome HD'ness, but not everybody has an awesome HD tv. You could look at it like the HD cable they would have included might not have met the standards of some HD technophiles out there and would have made some rebuy nicer cables. Also there's the case of costs and bundling with HDMI cables would have jacked the price up on their end. Either way I didn't see it as a big deal as I kept the Monster component cables that I used on my PS2 which were a good 10'. Lately though I have seen some disturbance in the force, eh, I mean visual quality and might be in the same boat as you. Here I come monoprice.
CptTripps
10-15-2008, 01:22 PM
Microsoft does not have a built in WiFi adapter
True, but at least there is a network adapter. Everything you need for HD online gaming is included in the box.
KingGorilla
10-15-2008, 03:36 PM
It is the same point just on different inputs. HDMI or Component video are something that a third of the total market can make use of. I would surmise that a comparable number of people have wire running through their houses.
What would be absolute tits would be if MS, Sony, offered 802.11N so we could stream proper Hi Def video. 802.11g is dicey at best for that.
fitbabits
10-15-2008, 03:42 PM
I ordered two HDMI cables this morning - $4.50 each. They should arrive in a few days.
fitbabits
10-15-2008, 03:43 PM
I tell you what - playing HD games in 480i versus 1080i is like smearing your eyes with Vaseline.
itchyeyes
10-15-2008, 03:55 PM
I was actually shocked when I opened up my PS3 and there wasn't an HD cable in it. I mean, I stay pretty informed about the current consoles but I never really looked into what kind of cables the PS3 shipped with. I just assumed with all of the emphasis that they put on HD that a $400 product would come with at least some kind of HD cable.
violent
10-15-2008, 04:12 PM
I was actually shocked when I opened up my PS3 and there wasn't an HD cable in it. I mean, I stay pretty informed about the current consoles but I never really looked into what kind of cables the PS3 shipped with. I just assumed with all of the emphasis that they put on HD that a $400 product would come with at least some kind of HD cable.
One console pushes the idea of HD gaming yet, it fails to allow you it out of the box.
One console offers a near perfect experience yet, the hardware is about as reliable as a square tire.
One console blows yet it creates the trends.
And some people still say this is the greatest generation of consoles yet.
pomeroy
10-15-2008, 04:14 PM
One console pushes the idea of HD gaming yet, it fails to allow you it out of the box.
One console offers a near perfect experience yet, the hardware is about as reliable as a square tire.
One console blows yet it creates the trends.
And some people still say this is the greatest generation of consoles yet.
The Dreamcast was the greatest generation of consoles. By itself.
violent
10-15-2008, 04:14 PM
The Dreamcast was the greatest generation of consoles. By itself.
I've searched but am unable to see error in your logic.
Schnoogs
10-15-2008, 04:18 PM
I was actually shocked when I opened up my PS3 and there wasn't an HD cable in it. I mean, I stay pretty informed about the current consoles but I never really looked into what kind of cables the PS3 shipped with. I just assumed with all of the emphasis that they put on HD that a $400 product would come with at least some kind of HD cable.
And a TV too
On the 360 you have to pay $60 a year for Live
Why the hell do people always overstate prices in these kinds of conversations? Live is not $60 a year.
violent
10-15-2008, 09:54 PM
Why the hell do people always overstate prices in these kinds of conversations? Live is not $60 a year.
How much is it?
How much is it?
Saw a 13-month sub on sale two weeks ago for $30-35.
violent
10-15-2008, 11:04 PM
Saw a 13-month sub on sale two weeks ago for $30-35.
Standard Microsoft charge though is what I'm looking for.
darkbase
10-15-2008, 11:09 PM
I don't own an HDTV yet, but I did grab an HDMI cable for $1.60 with LittleBigPlanet tonight. No complaints from me.
darkbase
10-15-2008, 11:15 PM
Standard Microsoft charge though is what I'm looking for.
$50 is standard listing price. There are deals out there for an extra month which you can get for $40 easily. (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Live-Month-Gold-Bonus/dp/B000B9RI00/ref=pd_sim_vg_1) However, Eternal was only off by $10.
Standard Microsoft charge though is what I'm looking for.
Why? You can routinely find it on sale at places like Amazon or Best Buy. After all, looking back at the start of the thread I don't see anyone recommending the $80 Sony-branded HDMI cable for the PS3. :p
I think it's $40-50 at Best Buy normally.
violent
10-15-2008, 11:24 PM
Why? You can routinely find it on sale at places like Amazon or Best Buy. After all, looking back at the start of the thread I don't see anyone recommending the $80 Sony-branded HDMI cable for the PS3. :p
I think it's $40-50 at Best Buy normally.
I was just wondering. You claimed that people always got that wrong. I wanted to know how wrong. They were off by $10. If it was a discussion of the best deal then there is all the room to show lowest price. But when you're talking about a providers charge, that's precisely the number to be discussed IMO. Someone asks how much an iPod costs, I think there is a proper answer before telling them of your friend who sells them out the back of his truck.
Point is, you're right. I often see people claim that Live year sub was $60 and it's in fact $50. You shouldn't get so defensive cowboy, I was genuinely trying to find out, not start some shit with you.
darkbase
10-15-2008, 11:29 PM
Why? You can routinely find it on sale at places like Amazon or Best Buy. After all, looking back at the start of the thread I don't see anyone recommending the $80 Sony-branded HDMI cable for the PS3. :p
I think it's $40-50 at Best Buy normally.
I'll give you your point, but at the same time (and since I always have to have the last word :o) there are multiple HDMI cables, but there is only one Xbox Live. I saved about $78 (spent < $2) compared to Sony's list price for their HDMI cable. The most you can save on an Xbox Live membership from list price is $10-15?
I was just wondering. You claimed that people always got that wrong. I wanted to know how wrong. They were off by $10. If it was a discussion of the best deal then there is all the room to show lowest price. But when you're talking about a providers charge, that's precisely the number to be discussed IMO. Someone asks how much an iPod costs, I think there is a proper answer before telling them of your friend who sells them out the back of his truck.
Point is, you're right. I often see people claim that Live year sub was $60 and it's in fact $50. You shouldn't get so defensive cowboy, I was genuinely trying to find out, not start some shit with you.
I didn't claim people got it wrong at all.
And there's no difference at all between Amazon.com and Best Buy having them for $30 and a guy selling stuff out of the back of his truck. Absolutely no difference there at all. :rolleyes:
violent
10-16-2008, 01:31 AM
I didn't claim people got it wrong at all.
And there's no difference at all between Amazon.com and Best Buy having them for $30 and a guy selling stuff out of the back of his truck. Absolutely no difference there at all. :rolleyes:
I confused you with Ondo. Sorry, names are close. And while there's no difference between Best Buy and the guy in the truck, there is a difference between Microsoft and the aforementioned two. Personally, my Live account is connected to my CC so the difference is evident. It doesn't bother me enough to change my method but the cost of Live is indeed $50. The others are simply discounted.
Lutheran
10-16-2008, 03:19 AM
Why the hell do people always overstate prices in these kinds of conversations? Live is not $60 a year.
I pay around 30 every year for live..its a friggin steal at that price :D
RandoM51
10-16-2008, 03:29 AM
Explain to me, then, just why the PS3 ships with only a standard AV connector - max resolution 480i. That's 600 lines of resolution and seven letters away from 1080p.
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
Actually, it is both a) smart and b) consumer friendly.
Simply put, as each generation of console comes out and display technology becomes both more complex and more diverse the connection methods become more numerous.
In such a situation, what do you do? I see three choices:
1. You include nothing.
2. You include a lowest common denominator that will work on just about everything---which is what Sony did. Basic cable, very inexpensive, can be put to use by anybody if only to switch input/outputs to higher def.
3. You can include as many cables as there are possibilities of connections.
What Sony did doesn't just save money for Sony, it saves money for pretty much every person out there who buys a PS3.
The only other valid option is to include DVI, HDMI, VGA, etc. and make every customer eat the cost for every cable, even when they mostly likely only need one of them.
I always get a chuckle when people complain about this issue. Do you really want to pay Sony pricing for three cables, one of which you need when as things stand now all you need to do is pay monoprice prices for one cable? I mean you do realize that Sony would pass on the cost of those extra cables to the consumer, right? It isn't like they're sitting on a warehouse of free cables they decided to withhold from the consumer and then sell on ebay for beer and pretzels money.
JayVe
10-16-2008, 03:35 AM
I don't get it. No one complained when the PS2 didn't ship with S-video.
I don't believe Sony was claiming that the PS2 was the only S-Video console available, and built their whole marketing about how S-Video is in their genes (http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/corporate_news/release/31018.html), did they?
JayVe
10-16-2008, 03:38 AM
Actually, it is both a) smart and b) consumer friendly.
Simply put, as each generation of console comes out and display technology becomes both more complex and more diverse the connections methods become more numerous.
In such a situation, what do you do? I see three choices:
1. You include nothing.
2. You include a lowest common denominator that will work on just about everything---which is what Sony did. Basic cable, very inexpensive, can be put to use by anybody if only to switch input/outputs to higher def.
3. You can include as many cables as there are possibilities of connections.
What Sony did doesn't just save money for Sony, it saves money for pretty much every person out there who buys a PS3.
The only other valid option is to include DVI, HDMI, VGA, etc. and make every customer eat the cost for every cable, even when they mostly likely only need one of them.
I always get a chuckle when people complain about this issue. Do you really want to pay Sony pricing for three cables, one of which you need when as things stand now all you need to do is pay monoprice prices for one cable?
How come the Xbox 360 comes with enough to get HD right out of the box?
It does not 'save money for pretty much every person out there who buys a PS3' since the full cost of the PS3 is not passed on to consumers. It only saves money for Sony.
I love how the LACK of high-definition gaming, the NEED to go get another cable for it, and the COST that comes out of a consumer's pocket are all considered to be Consumer Friendly to you.
JayVe
10-16-2008, 03:40 AM
The Dreamcast was the greatest generation of consoles. By itself.
You win the Internets. :D
RandoM51
10-16-2008, 03:43 AM
How come the Xbox 360 comes with enough to get HD right out of the box?
It does not 'save money for pretty much every person out there who buys a PS3' since the full cost of the PS3 is not passed on to consumers. It only saves money for Sony.
I love how the LACK of high-definition gaming, the NEED to go get another cable for it, and the COST that comes out of a consumer's pocket are all considered to be Consumer Friendly to you.
Once again you're being retarded pushing your blind anti-ps3/sony agenda.
That cable that came with the 360? You know where mine is? Gathering dust. I never used it. I had to go out and buy the cable I needed.
I'm much happier with the Sony method, where they did not make me pay for an HD cable I did not need.
How many brain cells does it take to realize it is more economical to buy the cable you need from some place like monoprice than pay Sony or MS for a cable you don't need and then have to buy another cable anyways?
Evidently more than you have. I'm just going to put you on ignore as you are either a) ridiculously stupid, or b) being purposely obtuse to further your dumbass agenda.
It is just videogames, why not be an asshole somewhere else that is more relevant?
JayVe
10-16-2008, 03:47 AM
How many brain cells does it take to realize it is more economical to buy the cable you need from some place like monoprice than pay Sony or MS for a cable you don't need and then have to buy another cable anyways?
If we take your statement to its logical conclusion, it would be even MORE economical for consumers of companies were to include NO cable at all. That would be SUPER Consumer Friendly, no? :rolleyes:
JayVe
10-16-2008, 06:11 AM
Frankly, it's fucking stupid. It's pathetic. It's nickel-and-dime ridiculous.
The more I think about this, the more I think JAYoung hit the nail on the head in his first post.
Gorvi
10-16-2008, 06:21 AM
HDMI would be a waste, I think, as not everyone can use that. Most TVs at least have a componant input these days, though, that should be in there.
Wilkz07
10-16-2008, 06:23 AM
They really should ship with componant cables. You can use your old componant cables from your PS2 if you have them, that's what I did and I haven't had any problems.
and thats where they get you to spend more money. want HD buy the ps3 component cables or the ps3 hdmi. only comes with one controller so if you want to play mp buy another one.
Buy from places like Costco. They will usually bundle an extra controller and component cables.
JayVe
10-16-2008, 06:27 AM
HDMI would be a waste, I think, as not everyone can use that. Most TVs at least have a componant input these days, though, that should be in there.
Agree.
http://www.puedoltd.co.uk/images/products/xbox%20360/Accessories/HD%20Component%20AV%20Cable/HD%20Component%20AV%20Cable.jpg
This cable (http://www.puedoltd.co.uk/images/products/xbox%20360/Accessories/HD%20Component%20AV%20Cable/HD%20Component%20AV%20Cable.jpg) works for both people who have standard definition or HD TVs. It is easy to use, color-coded, and comes in every box. It is a much more consumer friendly option than requiring consumers to go back to the store in order to play in HD.
Remember though this discussion is only about gaming. If you were to look at the Bluray side of things, component does not have HDCP, so that beautiful 1080p set gets a slightly-better-than standard definition bluray movies on it.
Gorvi
10-16-2008, 06:30 AM
Now I may be wrong, I don't have a 1080p TV, but I was under the assumption that the HDCP handshake only prevented 1080p resolution from being displayed, it would still work at up to 1080i. I know that the few BR movies I've watched have definitely not been in SD and I only have a componant connection.
Like I said earlier, though, I'm still using my old PS2 componant cable on my PS3, if you have one of those, it works just fine.
Mr. Murphy
10-16-2008, 06:38 AM
Now I may be wrong, I don't have a 1080p TV, but I was under the assumption that the HDCP handshake only prevented 1080p resolution from being displayed, it would still work at up to 1080i. I know that the few BR movies I've watched have definitely not been in SD and I only have a componant connection.
I'm using a component cable from my PS3 to a 1080i television, and I own two movies on both blu-ray and standard def - Silent Hill and a NIN concert DVD. I can confirm that my component cable is not preventing them from displaying at 1080i, so I would assume it is only a 1080p issue.
JayVe
10-16-2008, 07:08 AM
I'm using a component cable from my PS3 to a 1080i television, and I own two movies on both blu-ray and standard def - Silent Hill and a NIN concert DVD. I can confirm that my component cable is not preventing them from displaying at 1080i, so I would assume it is only a 1080p issue.
Woot! This is awesome> Looks like I was misinformed.
Once again you're being retarded pushing your blind anti-ps3/sony agenda.
That cable that came with the 360? You know where mine is? Gathering dust. I never used it. I had to go out and buy the cable I needed.
What kind of TV do you have that you couldn't use component or composite?
Durka-Dan
10-16-2008, 03:49 PM
Like I said earlier, though, I'm still using my old PS2 componant cable on my PS3, if you have one of those, it works just fine.
I'm using my old Monster component cables for the PS2 and they are crapping out on me big time.
OldJadedGamer
10-16-2008, 03:54 PM
HDMI would be a waste, I think, as not everyone can use that. Most TVs at least have a component input these days, though, that should be in there.
Did you know that the PS3 is the ONLY Blu-ray player sold on the market that *doesn't* come with an HDMI cable?
Now I may be wrong, I don't have a 1080p TV, but I was under the assumption that the HDCP handshake only prevented 1080p resolution from being displayed, it would still work at up to 1080i. I know that the few BR movies I've watched have definitely not been in SD and I only have a componant connection.
Like I said earlier, though, I'm still using my old PS2 componant cable on my PS3, if you have one of those, it works just fine.
One limitation of using Component cables is that you can't upscale DVD's. They stay in 480i over component. You need HDMI or VGA to upscale DVD's to 1080p.
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