The Return of Spacehulk

[ShivaX]

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1430053&prodId=prod210009a

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[Hawkzombie]

Sweet!...Even though I never played.

[KamaItachi]

Aw yeah. Nice to see GW throwing some of the less popular games a bone once in a while. I loved me some Space Hulk and I'll probably end up grabbing this.

[Pale Ale]

Sweet!...Even though I never played.

well since it's been like 15 years since they've published anything about it you either...

A) never played

or

B) OLD!!!

[J Arcane]

If you've got the cash, I recommend grabbing this. Apparently this will be the only printing. Once they're gone, they're gone.

SH is a fucking fun game, but thanks to the difficulty of getting hold of a working set I've only ever played via computer versions.

[KamaItachi]

well since it's been like 15 years since they've published anything about it you either...

A) never played

or

B) OLD!!!

Christ, has it been 15 years since second (crappy) edition?

[KamaItachi]

If you've got the cash, I recommend grabbing this. Apparently this will be the only printing. Once they're gone, they're gone.

SH is a fucking fun game, but thanks to the difficulty of getting hold of a working set I've only ever played via computer versions.

A single printing of this, a single run of the 40K RPG. What the Hell is wrong with Games Workshop?

[Savok]

I expect sellers on ebay will be making mints on these eventually.

[Hawkzombie]

I wanna get this, actually, and play it with some friends of mine.

[Voodoo]

Just placed my order. Thanks! :)

[Commissar Rob]

I do wants...but I'm already spending the gross national product of Latvia on games this holiday season. :(

[Tayaya]

Just placed my order. Thanks! :)

Where? I can't find a place that's taking orders at all.

[Borthcollective]

I really don't like the new Genestealers. Not 1 bit actually.

[DangerousDaze]

I had this on 3D0 once upon a time. (Yeah, wrong medium I know, but still...)

[Voodoo]

Where? I can't find a place that's taking orders at all.
Right here : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1430053&prodId=prod210009a

[KamaItachi]

Okay, I was all over this, but $165? really? UK gamers are being charged almost half of that.

Had this been any other time of the year, I'd have sorted something out, like getting it sent to my parent's house back home. Really though, that's an awful lot of hassle to buy something I just can't afford bypass a fairly ridiculous price gouge.

[alienmastermind]

Beer....Pretzels....OMG....the HUNGER RETURNS!!! NOOOooooo~

I can feel the will to resist boardgaming...ebbing away...must....play more...Shadow Complex!

Actually, I'll definitely be picking this up.

[ShivaX]

Okay, I was all over this, but $165? really? UK gamers are being charged almost half of that.

Had this been any other time of the year, I'd have sorted something out, like getting it sent to my parent's house back home. Really though, that's an awful lot of hassle to buy something I just can't afford bypass a fairly ridiculous price gouge.

Where are you getting $165 from?

I hit $135 if I get the stupidly expensive Priority Express shipping for $25, but thats about it.

[KamaItachi]

Where are you getting $165 from?

I hit $135 if I get the stupidly expensive Priority Express shipping for $25, but thats about it.

For Australia it's $165 dollars. Converting 60 quid to AU$ comes out at just over $100.

[Fubl]

A single printing of this, a single run of the 40K RPG. What the Hell is wrong with Games Workshop?

didnt one of the other comapnies get outsourced for the rpg and doing more than one run...

[KamaItachi]

didnt one of the other comapnies get outsourced for the rpg and doing more than one run...

Black Library were the ones running the RPG, but every time I've checked they've noted they were out of stock. They may just be doing runs so small they sell out often and I'm just not checking the times, but most GW employees I've talked to were under the impression it was a one-shot thing.

[J Arcane]

Black Library were the ones running the RPG, but every time I've checked they've noted they were out of stock. They may just be doing runs so small they sell out often and I'm just not checking the times, but most GW employees I've talked to were under the impression it was a one-shot thing.
Black Industries, the RPG publishing arm of BL, was shut down because GW hates RPGs.

Fortunately, they also like money, so they allowed the license to pass to Fantasy Flight Games, who continue to support Dark Heresy, and will be shortly releasing Rogue Trader, the next corebook in the 40KRP line.

[BigJonno]

Have I ever ranted on here about how GW are THE DEVIL and almost completely destroyed hobby gaming in the UK?

[KamaItachi]

Have I ever ranted on here about how GW are THE DEVIL and almost completely destroyed hobby gaming in the UK?

It probably wouldn't be anything I haven't heard before, but I'm not adverse to a little vitriol aimed in their direction.

You might even talk me out of making this ridiculous purchase.

[Savok]

If it has to do with how they price things I'll certainly agree with you.

[BigJonno]

Bit of company history to start with.

Founded in 1975 at 15 Bolingbroke Road, London, by John Peake, Ian Livingstone, and Steve Jackson (later known for their Fighting Fantasy gamebooks), Games Workshop was originally a manufacturer of wooden boards for games such as backgammon, mancala, Nine Men's Morris, and Go[3] which later became an importer of the U.S. role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons, and then a publisher of wargames and role-playing games in its own right, expanding from a bedroom mail-order company in the process.

In order to promote their business, run postal games, create a games club, and provide an alternative source for games news,the newsletter, Owl and Weasel, was founded in February 1975. This was superseded in June 1977 by White Dwarf.

From the outset, there was a clear stated interest in print regarding "progressive games," including computer gaming[4] which led to the departure of traditionalist Peake in early 1976, and the loss of GW's main source of income.[5] However, having successfully obtained official distribution rights to Dungeons & Dragons and other TSR products in the UK, and maintaining a high profile by running games conventions, the business grew rapidly. It opened its first retail shop in April 1978.

In early 1979, Games Workshop provided the funding to found Citadel Miniatures in Newark-on-Trent. Citadel would produce the metal miniatures used in role-playing and table-top wargames. The Citadel name became synonymous with Games Workshop Miniatures, and continues to be a trademarked brand name used in association with them long after the Citadel company was absorbed into Games Workshop.[6][7] For a time, Gary Gygax promoted the idea of TSR, Inc. merging with Games Workshop, until Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone backed out.[8]

The company's publishing arm also released UK reprints of famous American RPGs such as Call of Cthulhu, Runequest, Traveller, and Middle-Earth Role Playing, which were expensive to import, having previously done so for Dungeons & Dragons from 1977.[9]

In 1984, Games Workshop ceased distributing its products in the USA through Hobby Games Distributors and opened its Games Workshop (US) office. Games Workshop (US), and Games Workshop in general, went through a large growth phase in the late '80s, listing over 250 employees on the payroll by 1990.[10]

Following a management buyout in December 1991, the company refocused on their most lucrative lines, namely their miniature wargame Warhammer Fantasy Battle (WFB) and Warhammer 40,000 (WH40K). The retail chain refocused on a younger, more family-oriented market. The change of direction was a great success and the company enjoyed growing profits, but the move lost the company some of its old fan base.

The short version is that GW used to publish shitloads of the most prominent RPGs in the UK, and run the stores which sold them (which were often the only hobby stores in an area, having beaten out independent competition.) Then they stopped selling anything other than their own products and then proceeded to do their utmost to stamp out RPGs in the UK. Role playing has always been a pretty niche hobby, but whenever GW deign to mention it at all, they claim that it's almost completely dead and online maintained by a few neckbeard throwbacks from the 70s. I read a White Dwarf article from a few years back that claimed that pen 'n' paper RPGs were more expensive and more time consuming than Warhammer and that there were much fewer than 10000 roleplayers in the UK. To put that bullshit into context, the three biggest LARP events in the UK pull more than that over the August bank holiday weekend and LARPers are a pretty small subset of roleplayers as a whole.

I've seen a guy walk into a GW store and ask if anywhere sold D&D stuff nearby and had one of the staff members give him directions in hushed tones while asking him not to tell anyone that he'd told him because he could lose his job.

GW suck. They make some damn fine products and I understand that they're a business and out to make money, but they came very close to killing a hobby I love in order to line their own pockets.

[KamaItachi]

Yeah, their business practices rival 80's era Nintendo. They used to supply a local independent shop with fantastic service and really good deals. He did so well from the setup, in fact that he opened his own separate GW dedicated shop and did great business for a few years.

After GW decided that the poor sap had drummed enough business for their games, they proceeded to cut off all his supplies and open their own shop. He didn't last much longer after that.

Man, I haven't thought about that in years. Looking back on it, that was a really dick move.

[ShivaX]

For Australia it's $165 dollars. Converting 60 quid to AU$ comes out at just over $100.

Ah ok. I thought Aussies were used to being screwed in the ass for everything. :)

[Savok]

God damn they're scum sucking assholes aren't they. No wonder they think they can gouge the hell out of people.

[Tayaya]

Right here : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1430053&prodId=prod210009a

Heh.... didn't even think to check GW directly. Order's in! Thanks.

[J Arcane]

God damn they're scum sucking assholes aren't they. No wonder they think they can gouge the hell out of people.
It's part of why I'm glad they cut off Dark Heresy and pawned it off on FFG. I'd rather FFG get the money, and for an RPG to boot!

[shunoshi]

Hmm, never got to play Space Hulk back in the day as I was too busy with WH40K. I'd be interested in checking this out, but damn, $100? A bit steep for what isn't much more than a board game. I thought $60 for the Civilization board game was bad...this takes the cake.

[Commissar Rob]

Hmm, never got to play Space Hulk back in the day as I was too busy with WH40K. I'd be interested in checking this out, but damn, $100? A bit steep for what isn't much more than a board game. I thought $60 for the Civilization board game was bad...this takes the cake.

Yeah, that is a bit steep. On the other hand, I plunked down $80 for the WoW boardgame, and I've been happy with that purchase. I think I've got my wife talked into this one as a Christmas gift. :)

[Tayaya]

It's part of why I'm glad they cut off Dark Heresy and pawned it off on FFG. I'd rather FFG get the money, and for an RPG to boot!

I'd rather FFG get the money is definitely something I can understand and agree with. FFG is a great company, that turns out great products, and has not YET turned into the giant corporation that cares little about their customer base. Every FFG product I own seems to be crafted from a love of the hobby through and through. Great packaging (sturdy boxes with great art FTW), wonderful bits, and excellent documentation accompany just about everything they make.

I was inventorying my games collection the other day and I noticed that it's about 70% FFG.

[Voodoo]

Hmm, never got to play Space Hulk back in the day as I was too busy with WH40K. I'd be interested in checking this out, but damn, $100? A bit steep for what isn't much more than a board game. I thought $60 for the Civilization board game was bad...this takes the cake.
I've heard nothing but good things about the Space Hulk board game. Being that it's very difficult to find one in good shape for less than $150 I found the asking price of $100 for the new one to be, um, a discount. My only surprise is that it is limited to 2 players but I suppose I'll find very good reason for that.

[BigJonno]

I've heard nothing but good things about the Space Hulk board game. Being that it's very difficult to find one in good shape for less than $150 I found the asking price of $100 for the new one to be, um, a discount. My only surprise is that it is limited to 2 players but I suppose I'll find very good reason for that.

Space Hulk is genestealers vs terminators, there are only two sides. You can easily play it with more players on each side though.

[J Arcane]

I'd rather FFG get the money is definitely something I can understand and agree with. FFG is a great company, that turns out great products, and has not YET turned into the giant corporation that cares little about their customer base. Every FFG product I own seems to be crafted from a love of the hobby through and through. Great packaging (sturdy boxes with great art FTW), wonderful bits, and excellent documentation accompany just about everything they make.

I was inventorying my games collection the other day and I noticed that it's about 70% FFG.
I will say though, it's difficult for me to keep my enthusiasm after what I've seen of WHFRP3. I frankly don't know where the fuck they're going with that, but I'm not sure I like it. And I can't say as $100 is a terribly appealing price point for a TRPG.

[Tayaya]

Just trying to figure what that had to do with my post, which was quoted! I'm all confused now!

[Karak]

I will say though, it's difficult for me to keep my enthusiasm after what I've seen of WHFRP3. I frankly don't know where the fuck they're going with that, but I'm not sure I like it. And I can't say as $100 is a terribly appealing price point for a TRPG.

Agreed.
I can not explain the love I had for the older verions but 3 is just...wierd and horrid and a hodge podge.

[KamaItachi]

In the end I just decided to pass on this. Space Hulk is probably one of my favourite Games Workshop games and the first that I ever really got into to a decent degree.

But the asking price is just too steep for a game I'll probably only play half a dozen times, plus I'm not al that fond of a lot of the models they've shown.

[Voodoo]

Mine came in today. It is heavier than I expected. :)

[Tayaya]

Mine came in on Monday but I haven't had a chance to crack 'er open just yet. I am still not sure it was a wise purchasing decision either, so I am still keeping it shrink-wrapped while I decide whether or not to flip it on eBay.

After wanting it for so many years though, I really should just keep it.

[ShivaX]

I actually played it the other day with my buddy who got it.

The new rules seem to make it even better than it used to be. Most fun I've had in quite a while. Things seem a little in the favor of the Marines this time around, but I suspect some of the later missions might be a bit more balanced or even favor the Genestealers a bit.

[Tayaya]

I actually played it the other day with my buddy who got it.

The new rules seem to make it even better than it used to be. Most fun I've had in quite a while. Things seem a little in the favor of the Marines this time around, but I suspect some of the later missions might be a bit more balanced or even favor the Genestealers a bit.

I wasn't aware they'd revised the rules too! I thought it was a mere re-press with some updated visual candy on the bits. I remember the old complaints being that the genestealers were generally too powerful and that marine victories were almost impossible. Yay for possible better balance!

[ShivaX]

I wasn't aware they'd revised the rules too! I thought it was a mere re-press with some updated visual candy on the bits. I remember the old complaints being that the genestealers were generally too powerful and that marine victories were almost impossible. Yay for possible better balance!

Yeah they updated quite a few things. The biggest changes were probably that you get sustained fire on overwatch (though sustained fire maxes out at kills on 5 or 6 now) and jams don't clear overwatch (so if you have a command point you can clear the jam and be firing again). Also you can Turn and Fire instead of just Move and Fire, which can make a huge difference when some Genestealer is rushing down a hall towards you.

They also added Guard which is overwatch for melee guys. Only played with the Thunder Hammer Sarg but he was a pretty badass individual when he was on Guard. His shield drops the Stealers to 2D6, he gets 1D6+2 and Guard allows him to reroll. Of course he still died like a chump once in a while.

The Heavy Flamer is actually even worse than it used to be since each space in the effect has to be rolled for, which tends to make even survivors of a blast not move around.

We never got to the missions with the Librarian or Lightning Claws, but overall it was pretty great. The infamous Rescue mission was actually beaten by the Marines, which in all my years of the previous game never happened (even with a Marine player cheating and taking 6 CP every turn). Of course having an Assault Cannon and Thunder Hammer Sarg in that mission makes quite a difference imo.

[LeRolls]

Space Hulk is the game that introduced me to Games Workshop and the world of Warhammer 40,000. Lots of fond memories of playing this with my buddies.

We also use to play Mutant Chronicles.

[Bad Buddha]

Space Hulk is the game that introduced me to Games Workshop and the world of Warhammer 40,000. Lots of fond memories of playing this with my buddies.

We also use to play Mutant Chronicles.
My wife and I have been cleaning out the house. I just found several boxes on unopened Mutant Chronicles figs. Also found a bunch of old Citadel pewter and lead Warhammer 40K stuff. Squats anybody? :p

[cppcrusader]

My wife and I have been cleaning out the house. I just found several boxes on unopened Mutant Chronicles figs. Also found a bunch of old Citadel pewter and lead Warhammer 40K stuff. Squats anybody? :p

You wanna know the fastest way to get dirty looks from the GW guys at Games Day? Start a Squats chant.

Squats! Squats! Squats!

[Libuke]

Mine finally arrived last night, eager to play some this weekend. Never played the original but after reading the rules I am excited to start playing.

[Tayaya]

My wife and I have been cleaning out the house. I just found several boxes on unopened Mutant Chronicles figs. Also found a bunch of old Citadel pewter and lead Warhammer 40K stuff. Squats anybody? :p

What the hell are squats?

[Savok]

Heh, Space Dwarves.

[Panthera]

Biker Space Dwarves in Leather.

[Libuke]

Put everything together today and played a game with my brother. What a blast. We played mission one him Space Marine me Genestealers.

I had 4 of the 5 space marines down with only the heavy flamer remaining and him about 4 turns from the control room. However he had 5 flamer shots left and through good flame placement and lucky command pulls he was able to get to the control room and fire his last flamer shot into it.

He had to survive one genestealer in close combat then with the flames he was able to avoid the rest. Was fun game and I look forward to playing it some more.