Heroes 3.05 - October 13, 2008

[Lint of Death]

Hey, it's the thread for the new Heroes episode!

I'm saying nothing in the post so as to give you the opportunity to avoid spoilers!

[Lint of Death]

Did Hiro just stab Ando?! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Gitaroomaan]

Watching it right now.

Hero stabbing Ando? uhhh....what the goddamn hell? Some timeplay better be involved, otherwise that just makes no sense. Even then...

[Lint of Death]

It was a good episode otherwise! Did they forget Sylar had super hearing, though, or is he just that smooth?

[Gitaroomaan]

It was a good episode otherwise! Did they forget Sylar had super hearing, though, or is he just that smooth?

They must have forgotten, or possibly didn't even know. Sylar clearly knew what was going on, it's curious why he didn't do anything.

[Lint of Death]

Sorry, I actually meant the show's writers. The way they play out the scene (HRG's conversation is mute when shown from Sylar's perspective), it seems to me like Sylar was just being his smart self and deducing what happened.

[Aggort]

I really hope they don't plan on bringing any more people back to life and not too many more characters. Hell the cast is large enough already and it's becoming a bit difficult to remember week after week.


I said the same thing about Hiro using time manipulation to save him. Although they could use Adam's blood to save him as well. Either way I can see Ando heading to Surresh for powers, but Hiro may have done that to kill Ando to stop "future Ando" from killing him. It really sucks that they are taking all of my favorite heroe's and friggin making them evil, or so they seem.

[Cupelix]

They must have forgotten, or possibly didn't even know. Sylar clearly knew what was going on, it's curious why he didn't do anything.Sylar was "wiped clean" by the events of season two. The only powers he retained were the "clockwork" powers and telekinesis. This is supported by interviews with the producers (dig up the Behind The Eclipse interviews on www.comicbookreviews.com).

They haven't been really clear on that on the show, but when Sylar broke free from the illusion woman in season two, he made references to "starting over" and such.

[Midrael]

Blah. Am I out of place in thinking things are starting to get a little ridiculous on this show?

I hope they explain the Hiro killing Ando thing. That makes absolutely zero sense based on his character. And yeah, seemed to me that the writers forgot Syler has super hearing. But it wouldn't be the first time a hero on this show seems to not remember they have a superpower that would be really handy.

Sylar was "wiped clean" by the events of season two. The only powers he retained were the "clockwork" powers and telekinesis. This is supported by interviews with the producers (dig up the Behind The Eclipse interviews on www.comicbookreviews.com).

They haven't been really clear on that on the show, but when Sylar broke free from the illusion woman in season two, he made references to "starting over" and such.

Oh hmm, well if that's the case, at least that makes more sense regarding Syler's super-hearing going strangely missing. I don't know why he got to keep his telekinesis though. Oh wait, because he couldn't chop off skullcaps so neatly if he didn't. :p

[Lint of Death]

Sylar was "wiped clean" by the events of season two. The only powers he retained were the "clockwork" powers and telekinesis. This is supported by interviews with the producers (dig up the Behind The Eclipse interviews on www.comicbookreviews.com).

They haven't been really clear on that on the show, but when Sylar broke free from the illusion woman in season two, he made references to "starting over" and such.

You know what? That makes perfect sense. If he lost his ability to understand how things work and the powers of others, he would have lost the perfect memory that he took from the diner woman and could have simply forgotten how to use the other powers.

Keeping the telekinesis makes less sense, of course, but I can rationalize it :p

EDIT: Wait a minute! Now things make hardly any sense at all! How could Sylar use Ted's power in the future, then?! And paint the future!

[Gitaroomaan]

EDIT: Wait a minute! Now things make hardly any sense at all! How could Sylar use Ted's power in the future, then?!

Yeah, I always assumed that between the telekinesis and the nuclear future meltdown, Sylar never lost all of his powers. Maybe he forgot to use them somehow...

[Lint of Death]

Yeah, I always assumed that between the telekinesis and the nuclear future meltdown, Sylar never lost all of his powers. Maybe he forgot to use them somehow...

Aha! I think I've got it. Angela gave him a power that could let him read the history of anything he touches, which he has yet to use... Maybe that can recover them?

[Nikjitsu]

Aha! I think I've got it. Angela gave him a power that could let him read the history of anything he touches, which he has yet to use... Maybe that can recover them?

Now we're usin' the old noggin. :D

[muddi900]

I don't care about any of the characters anymore, except maybe Hiro. I just switched off half-way through. No Terminator this week:(

On the plus side, Californication and How I met your mother were awesome this week.

[MalReynolds]

No terminator ... DAMN BASEBALL

[Aggort]

Aha! I think I've got it. Angela gave him a power that could let him read the history of anything he touches, which he has yet to use... Maybe that can recover them?

Yea I figured that out when she "Fed" him. I realized it wasn't just her ability rather everyone's she ever come in contact with. It is odd that he hasn't used it yet. Especially to find our vortex guy.

I seriously think even the writers are starting to forget who is who and what is what. It's getting a bit out of hand.

[dotbomb]

This series is getting pretty bad now. They are just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks.

[rein]

The problem I am having with the series is that they will buld up a strong character (not just super powers but personality and interesting too) and then in a matter of a few scenes they can ruin it. it's ok but nothing like I was expecting going into the season. A lot of previews made this season sound like it was going to be much better.

[Lint of Death]

Ha, it's starting to look like Matt Parkman and Nathan Petrelli are the only real heroes left on the show. Mohinder and Peter have gone insane, Hiro just committed one of the most villainous acts in the series, Noah Bennet has a good purpose but lacks scruples, and Sylar is still a conniving bastard even if he seems to be taking to rehabilitation. Claire might be one yet, though.

[Elrik Murder]

I'm still aghast at the way Mohinder just injected the serum into his bloodstream w/o a second thought. Admittedly, he was one of my favorite characters from the first season but now, he's simply a mockery of himself. So let me clarify; we have a man based on reason and logic with years of research/scientific experience, who within the span of a season, says, "F it!" and injects himself with an untested, undocumented formula that he whipped up mere minutes in his "lab".

[Lint of Death]

I wrote this over at PIRI when the season started, but my guess as to Mohinder's impulsive motivation is that he has been contending for a long time in a world where everyone he knows can swat him like a fly - his own girlfriend can kill him without even blinking -, his blood no longer serves an invaluable purpose, and the Company seems to be leagues beyond him in terms of research. He needed to be able to fend for himself.

Granted, he doesn't seem to have expressed that motivation in the show...

[Elrik Murder]

I wrote this over at PIRI when the season started, but my guess as to Mohinder's impulsive motivation is that he has been contending for a long time in a world where everyone he knows can swat him like a fly - his own girlfriend can kill him without even blinking -, his blood no longer serves an invaluable purpose, and the Company seems to be leagues beyond him in terms of research. He needed to be able to fend for himself.

Granted, he doesn't seem to have expressed that motivation in the show...

That's exactly what I meant. No motivation! That's what gets me with this season. Sure, season 1 had many plot holes, but you could overlook it b/c of the writing. This one has both plot holes and bad writing in spades and doesn't even bother clearing up or explaining.

[Lint of Death]

I think I liked the show better when the Suresh familiy seemed to be the only ones trying to scientifically understand the heroes, even if they hadn't been very successful :o

[Smoof]

I've gone through this and read every spoiler, because I find myself not giving a fuck about Heroes. This season has been fucking atrocious and I'm not even sure I want to watch this weeks episode. It's just so bad.

[pomeroy]

I'm sorry you guys aren't having fun with this season. I've been very entertained. Stuff's happening (although it seems like it's just stuff you all don't like).

And the plot holes aren't always plot holes, you know. Sometimes people ARE just fucking stupid (and before people point out the regularity with which characters are just stupid...people in real life are often stupid much of the time).

Whatever. I'm having fun.

[Elrik Murder]

I'm sorry you guys aren't having fun with this season. I've been very entertained. Stuff's happening (although it seems like it's just stuff you all don't like).

And the plot holes aren't always plot holes, you know. Sometimes people ARE just fucking stupid (and before people point out the regularity with which characters are just stupid...people in real life are often stupid much of the time).

Whatever. I'm having fun.

Oh, I never said I wasn't having fun. It's just a little frustrating to see a show that I found so endearing totally fall flat. I actually think the show is starting to pick up, albeit I don't know where to. Last night's episode was a little better. I'm still along for the ride.

[Lint of Death]

If I sound like I'm complaining too much, I really don't mean to. As I said in my first opinion post, I actually really enjoyed the episode overall (though I'll have to watch it again since my channel 4 reception is visually abysmal); the vortex man had a great storyline and Adam's escape was classic. I was just totally horrified at what Hiro did.

EDIT: by the way, the guy who played the vortex man - anyone able to figure out if that's the guy who played Echo in the web episodes?

[Lint of Death]

Hey, just as I'm rewatching the episode... Sylar does use that 'see-history-of-what-he-touches' power in this episode! He says he could feel the pain he had previously caused Claire when he held her hand.

[PathMaster]

I really liked this episode. Not really having an issue following what is going on. Parkman or Peter are the only ones who can save Mama Petrelli. I still wonder how Nathan healed so quickly, now that we know why he is talking to Linderman.

[Lint of Death]

I really liked this episode. Not really having an issue following what is going on. Parkman or Peter are the only ones who can save Mama Petrelli. I still wonder how Nathan healed so quickly, now that we know why he is talking to Linderman.

It is a very good question, especially because neither Claire nor Adam were around.

As for saving Mama Petrelli, what about Sylar? He's already saved her once. ...Oh. You mean with their mind powers?

[PathMaster]

This weeks episode was okay, maybe slightly above average for me. I like the choice for the father, actor wise. But I am not sure I like his "power". I also wonder how he got said powers, because the comics have seemed to be canon and he had no powers there. So he must have been tested on, but the genetic experiments that created some heroes seem to have been do this and see what happens. They had no idea of the outcome, yet he seems to have the perfect power to stop everyone, even more so then the Haitian, although the Haitian may be his perfect Nemesis.

[Lint of Death]

I was honestly shocked at what happened to Adam. And Peter, for that matter!

And with this episode, a flash of insight! If the four years later time is still a possibility (though, with what has now happened to Adam, Angela's own dreams at the start of the season are somewhat inaccurate), my bet is that Sylar kills his dad. That would explain why he had all the powers that he and Peter once shared.

[Lutheran]

I thought this last episode was pretty entertaining. Its now become cool to bash on Heroes around the net but I think this season has been better then last season without a doubt.

[hideouslywrinkled]

I'm still watching Heroes, but I've given up hope that it will return to form any time soon. That is, unless Pushing Daisies is canceled and Bryan Fuller comes back.

[Generation ABXY]

I really enjoyed this new episode; I can't help but wonder what they're going to do with Peter now. I may not be sold on the entire season yet, but, at the very least, they have me eagerly awaiting next week's episode, and that does say something...

[Lint of Death]

I really enjoyed this new episode; I can't help but wonder what they're going to do with Peter now. I may not be sold on the entire season yet, but, at the very least, they have me eagerly awaiting next week's episode, and that does say something...

The preview for the next episode seemed to suggest that Peter's role in the season is only going to grow despite his loss of all powers. I find that fascinating.

[Generation ABXY]

The preview for the next episode seemed to suggest that Peter's role in the season is only going to grow despite his loss of all powers. I find that fascinating.

Where'd you see that at?

[Lint of Death]

Where'd you see that at?

As soon as the episode ended. While it showed Peter basically imprisoned by his father, there were also a lot of shots of him going around and saying important things.

[Generation ABXY]

As soon as the episode ended. While it showed Peter basically imprisoned by his father, there were also a lot of shots of him going around and saying important things.

Hmm, unless it was after the credits (which I don't watch), it must not be on the Hulu stream, and that's all I have.

Back on to the episode itself, though, there's one thing I don't get: when Peter's father sapped Adam's powers, he turned to dust, like all his many years came back to him at once. However, when he sapped Peter's powers, all of Peter's old injuries didn't suddenly reappear. What gives?

Also, I wonder if we'll actually see Peter get his scar now that he can't heal...

[Lint of Death]

Hmm, unless it was after the credits (which I don't watch), it must not be on the Hulu stream, and that's all I have.

Back on to the episode itself, though, there's one thing I don't get: when Peter's father sapped Adam's powers, he turned to dust, like all his many years came back to him at once. However, when he sapped Peter's powers, all of Peter's old injuries didn't suddenly reappear. What gives?

Also, I wonder if we'll actually see Peter get his scar now that he can't heal...

Yeah, it was after the credits (Actually, maybe during) when it was shown on air. That's when they always show it, and I have yet to find if/where they have those video previews on the Heroes site.

You raise some good points. I'm not surprised that Peter didn't get his old injuries back, though; it's honestly weirder to me that Adam would age to dust on the spot given that he was intact and healthy before. And I think you're right, that we're going to see how Peter gets his scar before the season ends.

Also, unless we want to end up with another insane time paradox, Peter's going to have to get all his powers back and more.

[Generation ABXY]

You raise some good points. I'm not surprised that Peter didn't get his old injuries back, though; it's honestly weirder to me that Adam would age to dust on the spot given that he was intact and healthy before. And I think you're right, that we're going to see how Peter gets his scar before the season ends.

Exactly. See, when he killed Adam, I thought (at first) he had sucked the life out of him or something. But, if his age was going to suddenly return to him like that when he lost his power, than so too should have Peter's once-healed injuries. Unless every other character he drains also turns to dust (meaning he merely let Peter go before that point), I will see this as a serious oversight.

[Mike Kelehan]

At the end of last week's episode, one of my roommates was convinced Ando was dead. The other two of us were sure he wasn't. This is Heroes; people fake die way more often than real die, and Hiro wouldn't do that. At the beginning of this week's, when it was revealed that Hiro faked Ando's death, I slowly leaned in to him and yelled, "OH MY GOD!" with fake surprise.

[hideouslywrinkled]

At the end of last week's episode, one of my roommates was convinced Ando was dead. The other two of us were sure he wasn't. This is Heroes; people fake die way more often than real die, and Hiro wouldn't do that. At the beginning of this week's, when it was revealed that Hiro faked Ando's death, I slowly leaned in to him and yelled, "OH MY GOD!" with fake surprise.

I feel like that all the time now. Anyone can come back from the dead at any time. I just wonder how long it will be before we have people jumping from other Earth variations. I actually thought that the blackhole guy was setting that up for the show.

And something I've been wondering: If Peter's dad (Evil Daddy) absorbed Adam's healing power, wouldn't Evil Daddy start to age backwards until his body had healed itself to its peak?

[Generation ABXY]

I feel like that all the time now. Anyone can come back from the dead at any time. I just wonder how long it will be before we have people jumping from other Earth variations. I actually thought that the blackhole guy was setting that up for the show.

And something I've been wondering: If Peter's dad (Evil Daddy) absorbed Adam's healing power, wouldn't Evil Daddy start to age backwards until his body had healed itself to its peak?

That power brings up a lot of questions, such as why are old injuries (like what ever made him bed-ridden) healed, but, as you said, not his age? Of course, if his age was, why would it stop at his "peak" and not, say, as an infant? Same goes for Claire and Adam.

[Determination]

ah, but not everyone is aware of their powers till later in life. Was Claire always invulnerable? Was Adam before his middle age and he met Hiro? He fully expected to die when he was stabbed in Season 2. Nathan didn't know he could fly till the car-crash that crippled his wife - well into his middle age.

[Lint of Death]

Wait, you guys think people come back all the time on this show? Have you seriously compared the lists of dead characters to revived? Nathan Petrelli and Noah Bennet are the only ones who have come back from the dead that I know of. One of the things that I actually like about the show is that dead characters stay dead, even if it always makes me sorry to see them go.

That was part of the point of the sad storyline where Hiro tries to save the woman at the diner.

ah, but not everyone is aware of their powers to later in life. Was Claire always invulnerable? Was Adam before his middle age and he met Hiro? He fully expected to die when he was stabbed in Season 2. Nathan didn't have know he could fly till the car-crash that crippled his wife - well into his middle age.
I was thinking about that, it's a very good point. They said this season the powers come from adrenaline rather than blood, so it seems like they almost invariably manifest themselves from moments of tension. Even Claire's adoptive family did not know about her power for years.

Also, here's what I figure about scars: those happen when the body's decided it's healed as best as it can. The wound is repaired, just not ideally. The body's not going to go back and fix it when the healing power kicks in, and the body's not going to regain them when the power is lost.

EDIT: Also, perhaps Adam's power is actually rather different from Claire's? Like, perhaps his body has locked itself to a particular time in his life and always does what it can to keep it that way? Claire would not have survived being locked up in that coffin, but Adam did.

[Mike Kelehan]

That power brings up a lot of questions, such as why are old injuries (like what ever made him bed-ridden) healed, but, as you said, not his age? Of course, if his age was, why would it stop at his "peak" and not, say, as an infant? Same goes for Claire and Adam.

I guess the easy answer is that Adam's power didn't manifest itself until he was about 30, so it locked him in that age. Mr. Petrelli got the power at an old age, so it locked him there.

[Hotcod]

EDIT: Also, perhaps Adam's power is actually rather different from Claire's? Like, perhaps his body has locked itself to a particular time in his life and always does what it can to keep it that way? Claire would not have survived being locked up in that coffin, but Adam did.

Well given that we know Claire can suffocate and Adam can not then it could be true... unless claire wouldn't have really died or hiro gave adam breathing holes...

But on the whole it seems that the healing power would keep you at the age that it 'kicks in' since it seems to restore the body to what it was at that point rather than 'make it better'

[Spacetronaut]

This episode has made me officially renounce Heroes. The characters are too stupid to be believable anymore.

[Generation ABXY]

This episode has made me officially renounce Heroes. The characters are too stupid to be believable anymore.

Seems that way, doesn't it? I mean, you'd think FYL Peter would just come back and kill his dad before he gets Adam's powers...

[Lint of Death]

Seems that way, doesn't it? I mean, you'd think FYL Peter would just come back and kill his dad before he gets Adam's powers...

Apart from that present Peter could still be duped into giving his father the regeneration power, here's something to consider: for all we know future Peter tried that already. Arthur Petrelli should now be able to manipulate time and space.

That's bad.

Arthur Petrelli should also now have Sylar's power.

That's worse. :eek:

[Generation ABXY]

Apart from that present Peter could still be duped into giving his father the regeneration power, here's something to consider: for all we know future Peter tried that already. Arthur Petrelli should now be able to manipulate time and space.

That's bad.

Arthur Petrelli should also now have Sylar's power.

That's worse. :eek:

Well, he may not know which ones he has, and in the beginning, Peter had to learn to use each one he gathered. He (Arthur, I guess his name is) has never met Hiro and may not know that Peter has his power, so he may never think to try it. Note that after he sapped Peter, all Arthur did was charge his hands, something he saw Peter do.

The hunger, I suppose, could still be there, but that may have actually been why Peter needed to have that power (so Arthur could steal it)...like I said, I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode. :D

And speaking of which, maybe we should just have a single thread (perhaps this one) for all the Heroes talk, instead of a new one for each episode, like the title suggests....

[PathMaster]

Ugh, kind of a slow ep last night. I am thinking that Sylar is special in Mama Petrelli's plans vs Pops. Maybe Sylar's power can not be stolen, the core one at least.

[Generation ABXY]

Hmmm, latest episode (the latin titled one) wasn't bad, but it did seem to have a lot of just...I don't know, filler.

[hideouslywrinkled]

Hmmm, latest episode (the latin titled one) wasn't bad, but it did seem to have a lot of just...I don't know, filler.

It's true. But I thought it was definitely the best one so far this season.

What I still don't get, is why they can't take a few minutes to establish motives for the "good" guys and the "bad" guys. Besides, of course, good and evil.

This episode is a perfect example, Peter tells his father about the future and asks him why he wants to do that and his father doesn't answer the freaking question? If you really thought you were doing something "good," would you hold back?

And, if he is just a supervillain, we all know the rule is that you tell the hero all your plans once you have them powerless (see: every Bond movie & Austin Powers).

[Lint of Death]

What I still don't get, is why they can't take a few minutes to establish motives for the "good" guys and the "bad" guys. Besides, of course, good and evil.

This episode is a perfect example, Peter tells his father about the future and asks him why he wants to do that and his father doesn't answer the freaking question? If you really thought you were doing something "good," would you hold back?

And, if he is just a supervillain, we all know the rule is that you tell the hero all your plans once you have them powerless (see: every Bond movie & Austin Powers).

Honestly I'm just relieved that this is a show that's reveling in gray area. Dualism suuuuuuccckkksss! I like not being able to tell which company I should favor, if either. Instead they let you see the motivations of everyone working for or interacting with these companies except for those truly in charge. Even more than that, you get to see how little they all understand the bosses' business and how they still decide to trust or mistrust despite that. I think that's better.

From there, I can see a lot to appreciate. Mohinder, for example, was amazing in this episode. You learn that he truly always had the best intentions, no matter how twisted they were, and how important it is to him to make an informed decision (you know, apart from injecting himself :p). You get to see how his mettle is bent and twisted by Arthur Petrelli, and strengthened by Peter and Sylar.

Besides, if you have to make a judgment about Pinehearst, all you have to know is what just happened to Maury Parkman. Seriously, that's pretty much it.

[CES]

That power brings up a lot of questions, such as why are old injuries (like what ever made him bed-ridden) healed, but, as you said, not his age? Of course, if his age was, why would it stop at his "peak" and not, say, as an infant? Same goes for Claire and Adam.

Age doesnt seem to be a defining factor in the healing ability. It was implied by the mother Petrelli that it takes physical trauma on a huge scale to cause perfect sync of cells dying and regenerating. Adam as you may remember was sort of right next to a lot of boom when it went up. That said, Claire suffered the massive radiation burns from Ted's overload and Peter has exploded. Arthur Petrelli has yet to suffer a wound on that scale.

However, this is Heroes we're discussing, a show that doesnt let little things like plot or common sense ruin the fun of shiny powers.

[PathMaster]

Was actually a good episode up until the end for me. I can only hope that was Hiro seeing what could happen.

And I assume the coming eclipse will bear more heroes or renew old heroes, who may have lost their power?

[Lint of Death]

Was actually a good episode up until the end for me. I can only hope that was Hiro seeing what could happen.

And I assume the coming eclipse will bear more heroes or renew old heroes, who may have lost their power?

Haha, I'm starting to get the impression that this is the "I'm tired of this shit" eclipse. Seriously, it just showed up in the previews, no prior hints at all?

What the Hell does Arthur think he's doing if that's real at the end. He already COULD travel through time and space thanks to Peter. And I'd really like to know how all these people seem to know where "Somewhere in Africa" is.

Anyway, the new episode itself was really cool. I feel sorry for Flint :(

[Telefrog]

Was it just me, or was the timeline off? If "one year ago" during that episode was right when Claire was doing her thing at the train wreck, then shouldn't Nathan have been busy with his campaign and Peter busy with his nursing? I thought their father "died" earlier? Didn't mama Petrelli go on her shoplifting spree then? I thought the scene in which Nathan and his wife were run off the road was a flashback even when it was first revealed to the audience?

Edit: Also, wasn't Sylar an established serial killer at that point?

[Rogue_hunter]

Was it just me, or was the timeline off? If "one year ago" during that episode was right when Claire was doing her thing at the train wreck, then shouldn't Nathan have been busy with his campaign and Peter busy with his nursing? I thought their father "died" earlier? Didn't mama Petrelli go on her shoplifting spree then? I thought the scene in which Nathan and his wife were run off the road was a flashback even when it was first revealed to the audience?

Edit: Also, wasn't Sylar an established serial killer at that point?

The episode started at "18 months ago", and then gradually moved up to the pilot episode. Papa Petrelli died pretty close to before the series started.
And Nathan did mention a few times that he was looking to run, but that was during the "18 months ago" segment. And during the party, Peter was talking about his nursing, and how dad couldn't actually call it that because he didn't really like what Peter was doing.

[Lint of Death]

I thought the way a lot of these things tied together with season 1 was brilliant. This really set the stage for all of the Sylar/Elle confrontations in seasons 2 and 3. I get the impression from the sneak peek text on the Heroes site that they're going to butt heads again at Pinehearst. Of all possible archnemesis matchups, I never expected those two, but it works great.

Also: the timewarping scene transitions from Hiro to past were AWESOME. Easily one of the best parts of the episode, they were completely fucking trippy :p

[Telefrog]

The episode started at "18 months ago", and then gradually moved up to the pilot episode. Papa Petrelli died pretty close to before the series started.
And Nathan did mention a few times that he was looking to run, but that was during the "18 months ago" segment. And during the party, Peter was talking about his nursing, and how dad couldn't actually call it that because he didn't really like what Peter was doing.

What about Sylar and Elle's storyline? That didn't seem to match up at all with how they've been characterized. Elle, the sociopathic nutball was a completely sympathetic character 18/12 months ago?

Why did Eric Roberts let Claire's mom go? Just because the company lied to her about Claire!? He was a complete bastard up until that point and continued to be with HRG. That made no damn sense.

Also, how does everyone have no trouble at all finding that guy out in the middle of Africa? Is he in the psychic Yellow Pages?

[Lint of Death]

What about Sylar and Elle's storyline? That didn't seem to match up at all with how they've been characterized. Elle, the sociopathic nutball was a completely sympathetic character 18/12 months ago?

Why did Eric Roberts let Claire's mom go? Just because the company lied to her about Claire!? He was a complete bastard up until that point and continued to be with HRG. That made no damn sense.

Also, how does everyone have no trouble at all finding that guy out in the middle of Africa? Is he in the psychic Yellow Pages?

Elle's hardly fit for a social life, but remember when Peter was in prison in Season 2. She's pretty 'easy' with people who seem vulnerable, IIRC.

Honestly, I would have imagined that right then the season 1 Eric Roberts would have killed her. A big part of this season, though, is how everyone has a bit of good and evil both. However, it's also likely that at that point he was unarmed and decided that the best way for him to get out alive was to free her before she could fully realize what's up. I mean, his aside about "so that's what they told her" was so clearly intended to be heard that he's still a sleaze.

I agree about Usutu... Though in his first episode he acts like he's never been to the US but his clothes, phone, walkman and good English seem to suggest there's more than meets the eye. Not to mention Pinehearst/The Company have him on file, which suggests he couldn't be completely obscure. For all we know Molly isn't actually in good hands :O

[PathMaster]

I also liked how Elle almost seemed to be the cause for Sylar's psychotic break/killing spree. I am still thinking the end was what Hiro "Might" see.

[Telefrog]

I also liked how Elle almost seemed to be the cause for Sylar's psychotic break/killing spree. I am still thinking the end was what Hiro "Might" see.

If Kristen Bell dumped me, I'd be pretty upset as well.

[Lint of Death]

This episode makes Sylar's rampage into the Company at the start of the season way more satisfying.

And I'm still waiting for him to shout somebody's brains out in live action.

[hideouslywrinkled]

Honestly I'm just relieved that this is a show that's reveling in gray area. Dualism suuuuuuccckkksss! I like not being able to tell which company I should favor, if either.

I disagree. Especially after Monday's episode. It's even more obvious that Papa Petrelli is the "bad" guy. And that Mama Petrelli is the "good" guy. (Gender confusion intentional.)

That's part of what I hate about this season. It seems like the writers think that they are introducing shades of grey, but the grey has the complexity of fan fiction. No one has clear motives, which doesn't lead to clear, purposeful ambiguity (a la The Sopranos or Mad Men). Instead the motive-less characters seem like shallow archetypes.

Even worse, when they try to explain a character's motives, like with Mohinder, it feels phony and contrived.

And yet... I still can't quit watching.

[PathMaster]

Ando was on CSI last night!!

[Lint of Death]

Ando was on CSI last night!!

Ohmigawd!! I only watched a couple episodes of the original CSI when it first came out. What happened in the show? :D

[Generation ABXY]

Also: the timewarping scene transitions from Hiro to past were AWESOME. Easily one of the best parts of the episode, they were completely fucking trippy :p

They reminded meof the flashbacks on the Highlander TV series...which, for those of you who don't know, is the greatest show ever made. :D

As for the episode, I'm another who rather enjoyed it.

[PathMaster]

Ohmigawd!! I only watched a couple episodes of the original CSI when it first came out. What happened in the show? :D

He used his future Ando powers to kill people!!! :p

He played a cop who spoke Korean and helped the CSI's solve the crime.

[Lint of Death]

He used his future Ando powers to kill people!!! :p

He played a cop who spoke Korean and helped the CSI's solve the crime.

Haha, that reminds me of my biggest wish for every single TV show now. The setup: typical episode, a secondary character returns home for the evening. While preparing a late-night bowl of cereal, the camera pans until we can see Sylar standing behind them. Cue sudden sequence of blood and terrifying violence.

[PathMaster]

Hiro plot device I am not a fan of at all. Elle, Sylar confrontation is interesting and shows how important Sylar could be. Makes me wonder what he and Peter have in common.

Parkman needs to grow a pair and take a lesson from his father. Papa P showed his weakness. And it looks like the two sides are mostly defined now. Could make for an interesting season finale, an all out battle.

I also think we might be getting an even bigger cast, eclipse and all. Maybe Ando gets a power.

Getting a little complex now with the formula and a catalyst.

Was an okay ep, got a little better towards the end and kind of flattened. Next week could be very good.

[Lint of Death]

Looks like nobody has to bitch about no cheerleaders needing saving anymore. And boy oh boy were there a lot of sci-fi homages! Alien: Resurrection and The Matrix among them.

EDIT: Pathmaster, you should've stuck around for the sneak preview:
The Eclipse takes away everyone's powers.

[PathMaster]

Looks like nobody has to bitch about no cheerleaders needing saving anymore. And boy oh boy were there a lot of sci-fi homages! Alien: Resurrection and The Matrix among them.

EDIT: Pathmaster, you should've stuck around for the sneak preview:
The Eclipse takes away everyone's powers.

I did, that is why I said next week could be good. I hope it is, but my faith is waning.

[PathMaster]

Tell you what, I liked that episode. Only a few minor things annoyed me, like the Peter/Nathan bickering, but I think I know where they want to go with that. Daphne's ability is very ironic, which was almost cheesy. Seth Green and Breckin Meyer cameo was good. Please HRG, get the job done.

[Lint of Death]

I missed this episode due to a stupid midterm! I'll watch it tomorrow, of course, but that means I can't read this thread yet. Sad face :(

Prediction: If the two sides fight each other without powers, I predict HRG, Nathan, Matt and Knox to be the asskickingest. I'll see how right/wrong I am soon enough.

[PathMaster]

I missed this episode due to a stupid midterm! I'll watch it tomorrow, of course, but that means I can't read this thread yet. Sad face :(

Prediction: If the two sides fight each other without powers, I predict HRG, Nathan, Matt and Knox to be the asskickingest. I'll see how right/wrong I am soon enough.

How would sissy Nathan be good in a fight. I think all you need is HRG and you win, as evidence towards the end of this episode.

[Lint of Death]

How would sissy Nathan be good in a fight. I think all you need is HRG and you win, as evidence towards the end of this episode.

Sissy Nathan? Are you kidding me?! Think back to season 1 when HRG and the Haitian cornered him. He kicked ass, plain and simple.

[PathMaster]

Sissy Nathan? Are you kidding me?! Think back to season 1 when HRG and the Haitian cornered him. He kicked ass, plain and simple.

I remember him getting tied up stuffed into a car. Getting out then flying away fast? How does that imply he kicked ass? (Quite possible I forgot something in there, but still, he is pansy!!)

[Lint of Death]

I remember him getting tied up stuffed into a car. Getting out then flying away fast? How does that imply he kicked ass? (Quite possible I forgot something in there, but still, he is pansy!!)

I recall that he punched and kicked his way out of HRG's grasp shortly before taking off. In any case, he's ripped :p

Oh hey, time to watch the new ep online!

EDIT: New ep is now watched. Holy crap that was great! It felt half as long as usual. And I can see why you argue that Nathan's a pansy now :p

What a suspenseful ending! The wait for Monday's gonna be tough. At least by HRG leaving the house Claire might actually get to a hospital in something remotely definable as 'time'.

[MosBen]

Lint of Death, don't mean to rain on your parade, but wasn't that the last episode until the new year? Just about every other show is wrapping up now.

[Lint of Death]

Lint of Death, don't mean to rain on your parade, but wasn't that the last episode until the new year? Just about every other show is wrapping up now.

I almost had to go get myself diagnosed with depression or, more appropriately, seasonal affected disorder, but then I looked and read that the next episode is indeed scheduled for the first of December.

phewww

[PathMaster]

A number of shows will take a break in early December.

[Lint of Death]

It's like someone new has their hands on this episode or, rather, someone old who really knows what they're doing. This episode.

Is.

Amazing.

Less than ten minutes left!! :(

[PathMaster]

I like how the eclipse humbled some of the heroes and helped them understand themselves a bit. Kind of annoyed with their death cheat though. I was also hoping Peter was going to get his powers back after, but no go.

Seth and Breckin with the pep talk. HRG with the damn good talk to stall. Apparently, a young Hiro has the balls to do something, and damn. Another comic..I almost smelled another season tag line. Then Nathan switches sides...PANSY!

Also it is safe to assume that the boy in Gabriel's future was Elle's I think.

Great episode of Heroes. Next week looks good as well.

[Lint of Death]

I like how the eclipse humbled some of the heroes and helped them understand themselves a bit. Kind of annoyed with their death cheat though. I was also hoping Peter was going to get his powers back after, but no go.

Seth and Breckin with the pep talk. HRG with the damn good talk to stall. Apparently, a young Hiro has the balls to do something, and damn. Another comic..I almost smelled another season tag line. Then Nathan switches sides...PANSY!

Also it is safe to assume that the boy in Gabriel's future was Elle's I think.

Great episode of Heroes. Next week looks good as well.

The death cheat was a little annoying, it can't be easy to have it both ways... at least HRG finally got an iota of vengeance! What it did for me, though, was something that other smallish events in this episode also contributed to: it sent the message that the writers pay attention to the series.

Claire was doomed when she lost her powers because she no longer got sick, and so no longer had immunities. Seth and Brecklin talked about details one might think got lost as if they knew every little detail. Hiro was remembering and reacting to things that a lot of viewers were worried the show had forgotten, like Charlie and stabbing Sylar. Nathan and Peter, finally able to interact with each other again, are doing so with full acknowledgment of their history together. All of these things were truly thoughtful and it was thrilling just to have that affirmation. I suspect ditching those two executive producers may have been a good thing :)

That's a good call on Sylar's kid being Elle's. I have one problem with it: didn't Sylar just kill her? It sounded like a pretty thorough cranium cutting.

As for pansy Nathan, I thought he finally thought better than that when he flew Baron Samedi into the car. It's a shame he won't actually listen to his brother, who's finally been acting like his smart, old self.

EDIT: I've thought all along how important it is to keep in mind which characters have met each other and what they know about each other. This episode confirmed that the show's writers also see that.

[PathMaster]

Well, that was an alternate future now, correct?

Nathan should have flown him high up and dropped his *ss in the ocean. Although the Haitian ended very tidily. Question, how does Peter get back so quickly next week, since Nathan switched sides.

[Lint of Death]

Well, that was an alternate future now, correct?

Nathan should have flown him high up and dropped his *ss in the ocean. Although the Haitian ended very tidily. Question, how does Peter get back so quickly next week, since Nathan switched sides.

Oooh, good point again. We still don't know if that four years later is coming true or not. Signs point to no?

As for Peter getting home, it was something Nathan said really quick before he left, about someone being ready to pick Peter up if he goes to somewhere, I forget the exact line. Just enough dialogue to reassure us that Peter and the Haitian have a way back :p

[PathMaster]

I wonder if Claire's daddy issues could be with her recent trip and her brush with reality and death. And did we really see him take Elle's powers? He seemed almost to stop and collapse a little?

[Lint of Death]

I was wondering if Sylar had hesitated and stopped himself at the end... but that screeching and whimpering... *shudders*

Honestly I was hoping for another explosion. Then again, sand isn't exactly conductive is it?

[Lint of Death]

Oh my GOOOOOOOOD tonight was a good ep. I was NOT expecting anything in it, in a good way. Oh my lawd.

[DoctorFinger]

They really do spend the entire show finding ways to neuter Hiro, don't they?

[Lint of Death]

I wonder how smart Sylar realized it was to not try and take Arthur's power?

They really do spend the entire show finding ways to neuter Hiro, don't they?
He's such a great character, though, it just makes me feel sorry for him :o
I honestly think it's very touching that he's gotten to see both of his parents a last time.

[PathMaster]

It started a little slow but seemed to really pick up just after about half way. Excellent ep overall. And yea, Hiro does get screwed over at any chance, even though he finally got hit act together.

I wonder where the catalyst went or who it went into? Peter?!

[Lint of Death]

It started a little slow but seemed to really pick up just after about half way. Excellent ep overall. And yea, Hiro does get screwed over at any chance, even though he finally got hit act together.

I wonder where the catalyst went or who it went into? Peter?!

An interesting thought... but I had the impression from the special effects that anything left of the Light in Arthur's body simply dissipated into the air.

By the way, did anyone else notice that Arthur's blood was jet black? Creepy.

[PathMaster]

By to Kristen Bell and Robert Forster.

[Zero]

An interesting thought... but I had the impression from the special effects that anything left of the Light in Arthur's body simply dissipated into the air.

By the way, did anyone else notice that Arthur's blood was jet black? Creepy.

So was Sylar's in last weeks ep. I would assume it's to get around network censors.

By to Kristen Bell.

Yeah... the show is dead to me now.

[Heresyte]

By to Kristen Bell and Robert Forster.
Yeah... the show is dead to me now.
Without Kristen Bell I have much less motivation to watch the show. I might save the rest of the seasons episodes for summer and only watch if I still feel like it.

[PathMaster]

First Peter has all of his powers back I think. No mark on his face. Ando finally got his powers! Pinehurst and Primatech are goners. Hiro finally acted and did well.

Next chapter look like it may go the Xmen route, via gov't intervention.

Personally I liked that they killed off a lot of people. It will almost be a bit of a reboot for the series. Fuller should be back and hopefully up and running by then as well.

[Lint of Death]

First Peter has all of his powers back I think. No mark on his face. Ando finally got his powers! Pinehurst and Primatech are goners. Hiro finally acted and did well.

Next chapter look like it may go the Xmen route, via gov't intervention.

Personally I liked that they killed off a lot of people. It will almost be a bit of a reboot for the series. Fuller should be back and hopefully up and running by then as well.

Oh, wow did they ever kill a lot of characters!! Their main cast right now is definitely smaller than the start of the series. Though they didn't show it, I'm guessing Flint bought the farm in keeping with the dualism between him and Meredith. We finally saw Echo Demille again, and naturally we see him with his throat slit. A fitting end, but the least they could've done was give us a Sylar vs. Echo shouting match :(

Did you see Mohinder's Info Card? His power is "Evolution Enhancer" or something like that. Weeeiiiiird. I like Ando's power, by the way. It's very fitting.

The preview for Chapter 4 clearly showed that the government rallies itself against all superpowered types. Except for Nathan, presumably. And, God damn, they really made Nathan a jerk! He was one of my favorite characters, but he's being a complete asshole. He saved Peter's life in the first season, and now he tells Peter that he would not have saved him from the explosion? Fuck him.

EDIT: And what the heck did Sylar do to the Puppet Man? Just mentally overpower him like Arthur did the Haitian?

[PathMaster]

HRG lives on, and perhaps Sylar is down. Although perhaps not.

[Philonious]

I think they've switched up the creative team from this point in, which should be great... Also, depowered Peter was dull. I don't always like the character, but I missed the fact that he occasionally would be a complete badass. How will Hiro get his groove back?

[PathMaster]

I think they've switched up the creative team from this point in, which should be great... Also, depowered Peter was dull. I don't always like the character, but I missed the fact that he occasionally would be a complete badass. How will Hiro get his groove back?

Well Hiro has the formula, and perhaps Suresh can help.

[Philonious]

Well Hiro has the formula...

Good point, but he tore it up.

...and perhaps Suresh can help.

Better point.

[Church42]

So my question about tonight's episode...

How did Claire pull that piece of glass out of her back w/o pain if Hiro & her went back in time and Hiro got the catalyst from his mother instead of Claire?

[Church42]

First Peter has all of his powers back I think. No mark on his face.

I think he just got his flying abilities back...I think the cut on his face is still there, but I'm pretty sure the power he got back is just inheriting the powers of those around him which is why he got Nathan's...and maybe pyrokinesis from Flint.

Personally I liked that they killed off a lot of people.

Unfortunately they didn't kill off Ali Larter's character

[Lint of Death]

I'm pretty sure Peter's scar was still there after the escape.

As for Ali Larter, if you don't like her then it looks like bad things are at least going to happen to her next chapter based on the preview they showed during the credits. Dunno how bad, though.

EDIT: I actually liked Nikki/Jessica a bit, but Tracy Strauss has been an abysmal character for almost her entire time in the show. Scarcely any development; the doctor never reappeared in the show; even Knox was more interesting. Gonna miss Flint :(

[Zero]

First Peter has all of his powers back I think. No mark on his face. Ando finally got his powers! Pinehurst and Primatech are goners. Hiro finally acted and did well.

Next chapter look like it may go the Xmen route, via gov't intervention.

Personally I liked that they killed off a lot of people. It will almost be a bit of a reboot for the series. Fuller should be back and hopefully up and running by then as well.

Fuller isn't coming back til the last three eps of the season. He said the first two or three eps of fugitives are amazing. He also mentioned that after that... not so much.

Unfortunately they didn't kill off Ali Larter's character

I stand by my theory. She either has an iron-clad contract or she's unbelievable in the sack.

[Lint of Death]

Look, she got punched in the face this episode. Isn't that more satisfying? :p

[Church42]

So my question about tonight's episode...

How did Claire pull that piece of glass out of her back w/o pain if Hiro & her went back in time and Hiro got the catalyst from his mother instead of Claire?

I actually think I answered my own question earlier today...as Claire survived the house fire when she was a baby, the catalyst is a completely separate ability compared to her healing abilities, hence why she yanked a piece of glass out of her back w/o pain.

[Church42]

I stand by my theory. She either has an iron-clad contract or she's unbelievable in the sack.


Okay, this season you find out there is Nikki, Tracy, and 1 other sister. I can't remember but did they ever indicate what happened to the 3rd sister? If she's alive, even if they manage to kill off Tracy Strauss in "Fugitives" we still have to endure 1 more Ali Larter based character. Ugh!:eek:

[J3DI]

I think its interesting how Nathen went from seeing God to becoming the devil...

[PathMaster]

Okay, this season you find out there is Nikki, Tracy, and 1 other sister. I can't remember but did they ever indicate what happened to the 3rd sister? If she's alive, even if they manage to kill off Tracy Strauss in "Fugitives" we still have to endure 1 more Ali Larter based character. Ugh!:eek:

I thought the first dead sister was the third? Ie the sister that Nikki saw in the mirror.

[Heresyte]

I thought the first dead sister was the third? Ie the sister that Nikki saw in the mirror.
No, all three of them were seperated at birth. I'm pretty sure the third sister is still alive, and I'm pretty sure they only mentioned a third so they'd have the option of killing off nikki again without actually getting rid of her.

[Scull]

I think he just got his flying abilities back...I think the cut on his face is still there, but I'm pretty sure the power he got back is just inheriting the powers of those around him which is why he got Nathan's...and maybe pyrokinesis from Flint.



Unfortunately they didn't kill off Ali Larter's character

Peter injected himself with the formula and got the power of flight. He did not get his absorbing power back as far as we can tell, although maybe he was just absorbing Nathan's power.

[Lint of Death]

No, all three of them were seperated at birth. I'm pretty sure the third sister is still alive, and I'm pretty sure they only mentioned a third so they'd have the option of killing off nikki again without actually getting rid of her.

I don't remember if the doctor explicitly stated there were only three, but he did mistake Tracy for Barbara and I'm certain he said that Barbara should still be alive out there somewhere.

[Telefrog]

No, all three of them were seperated at birth. I'm pretty sure the third sister is still alive, and I'm pretty sure they only mentioned a third so they'd have the option of killing off nikki again without actually getting rid of her.

The weird thing is Tracy [was] apparently a fairly highly connected political staff member. How did Nikki/Jessica and Mystery Sister #3 never see her on TV or the internet?

[hideouslywrinkled]

Fuller isn't coming back til the last three eps of the season. He said the first two or three eps of fugitives are amazing. He also mentioned that after that... not so much.

Fortunately, it's a little more than that three episodes with Fuller (pretty sure it's a 26 episode season). And only two should be really bad.

Are the "Fugitives" episodes leading up to 19 solid?
Yes. Episodes 14, 15 and 16 are amazing. The whole "Fugitives" arc starts out very strongly, and then it gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology.

Link. (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-bryan.html)

[Zero]

Fortunately, it's a little more than that three episodes with Fuller (pretty sure it's a 26 episode season). And only two should be really bad.

Link. (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-bryan.html)

Next chapter look like it may go the Xmen route, via gov't intervention.

Personally I liked that they killed off a lot of people. It will almost be a bit of a reboot for the series. Fuller should be back and hopefully up and running by then as well.

The next chapter, "Fugitives", will only have Fuller for the last three eps. He expects to be back for all season 4, whichever two volumes make up that season.

The whole "Fugitives" arc starts out very strongly, and then it gets a little dense in the middle in terms of the mythology.

I took this to mean that it falls off after those first three eps. Either way we only get two shitty eps before Fuller starts making his presence known.

[Lint of Death]

Fun tidbits garnered from following that linked interview:
Sylar's dad will be played by John Glover (apparently Lex Luthor's dad in Smallville). This character, it seems from the hints, will not be admirable ;)
Matt's wife comes back into the show. We'll finally get to find out about their kid!
Bigger focus on characters as opposed to items of Extreme Plot Significance (e.g. formulae and catalysts)

I never mentioned it before, but I felt so sorry for Matt in this last episode! He wanted so badly to help and was concerned for everyone's safety, but he doesn't get to do anything. You can really tell from his expressions that it irks him, too.

[hideouslywrinkled]

One thing I missed at the end... did Hiro get his powers back?

And I've had the same question about Peter. Did he get all his powers back, just his absorption power back (which let him pick up flight from Nathan) or a new flight-only power. It was somewhat unclear.

[Heresyte]

Hiro did not get his powers back, unless it turns out that Ando's power can somehow reverse Arthur's power nullification.

Since the cut on Peter's face didn't heal the most likely explanation is that the serum gave him back his original powers only and he absorbed Nathan's flight power.