Sticking with WAR beyond the free month?

[sparkfizt]

Just an honest question, I'm curious about this after the implosion that was AoC surprised me.

[Lint of Death]

I would very much like to, but I can't say yes or no yet for other reasons.

[Hotcod]

at this point i'd say i will but likely not right away but thats for other reasons... also depends if i get bored of it in the next month, which i don't quite see happening but i've got a lot on my plate at the moment so i can't commit to it yet

[digitalErich]

Yes, but not right away I don't think.

[Drayven]

I've cancelled my subscription but it's not really anything to do with the game. Just drifting back to WoW to get ready for the expansion and getting guild raids going again. I like WAR just fine but PvE is more my thing and WAR just seems like a PvP focused game. If more people I play with had switched over I'd be happy playing WAR but I'm going where the people are because they make the game for me.

[digitalErich]

I'll play it long enough to get me past the Litch expansion (if I can manage to not grab the expansion in the first 2 weeks, then I think I can forever go WoW free) and then I'll let whatever time I have run out while I focus on the Fall and Winter releases, then I'll likely go back to WAR again after all those games are done.

[ClannerDelta]

Most likely. They've been making near constant improvements. The patches and hotfixes tend to actually fix things.

AoC on the other hand started playable and ended up as complete trash.

With that said. Once I hit 20 I tend to remake a character. It just gets so grindy and Tor Anroc is the only scenario I've been able to get into with any kind of speed.

[Hexxagonal]

I'll keep going for at least another month. There are a few things I don't like, but I think it's the best MMO of right now.

[Kryopsis]

Wouldn't make any sense not to stick for at least 2 months considering you *have* to pay for a month when you enable your account.

And yes, I do plan on sticking with Warhammer Online. I wasn't so sure at first but now I can see that it suits me much better than World of Warcraft or any other MMO currently available.

[sparkfizt]

Wouldn't make any sense not to stick for at least 2 months considering you *have* to pay for a month when you enable your account.

that's setting up your billing for when the free month runs out, you can go back in and cancel your account. This will leave the account playable until the free month runs out.

[danielOut]

I'm certainly in for the long haul here, even if I know I won't get much playtime here with the "fall flood" coming up.

[Kryopsis]

I'm certainly in for the long haul here, even if I know I won't get much playtime here with the "fall flood" coming up.

Ah yeah, I forgot to add: since buying Warhammer Online I pretty much changed my mind about all of the games I wanted to purchase this fall (except for maybe Far Cry 2) as WAR and the unfinished games that I already have should keep me company until something truly amazing comes out.

[Hotcod]

i've not entered any billing info for this yet... as i'm likely to go with prepaid cards or the like rather than a subscription given how erratic i think my free time is going to be

[digitalErich]

I will say that as far as MMOs go, it's WAR or nothing from here out. WoW definitely has more polish and much more fun PvE leveling, but the end game is still what it is and I've twice now discovered that WoW's end-game is not for me.

[Knightsaber]

I picked no, only because I have this plan of measuring Wrath next to War, and I know, sadly, that WoW will drag me back. I know so many people there, with new things to do and talk about, if only people in War were social at all. Whatsoever. Most of them play it solo and it's really starting to annoy me.

[KingGorilla]

Just an honest question, I'm curious about this after the implosion that was AoC surprised me.

They forgot to finish the game, from what I hear. The last levels had little to do, many people ran out of quests and just had to grind mobs.

I really wish that War would institute a referral program or a free trial. Things like real hit detection, leveling via PVP, no forching of groups, and such intrigue me. But not enough to add another possible box of shame to sit next to the likes of Guild Wars.

[Hotcod]

Ya i was going to wait for a trail but all the talk here and by my freinds just pushed me over... the box cost me staying in over the weekend, which i had planed to do anyway, so it wasn't a huge deal going on just how many people who's taste i trust said it was awesome... and they where right.

I was almost tempted by AoC but made my self wait for a trail for the same reasons, people i knew who where playing it where not saying the best things about it so i thought it best to wait... turned out to also be the right thing to do... sad to see it going to hell like it has but WAR i think stands a good chance of being the first big long running mmo in a long while

[Inverno]

Im in it even though my slow ass rig is holding me down. Its at that point where upgrading one component means upgrading it all so its a big pocket hit all at once and during the holiday season the old pc is taking a back seat to teh kids. I play on Dark Crag and Red Eye Mountain hit me up. Ill make a sig to say char names.

[RandoM51]

I am undecided. Game is boring for a lvl 40 and I'm not sure if I feel like leveling another character through the same PvE I've already done.

[Savok]

Most likely. They've been making near constant improvements. The patches and hotfixes tend to actually fix things.

AoC on the other hand started playable and ended up as complete trash
That was probably the most shocking thing about it.

When a MMO first comes out, you expect it'll be rough for 6 months or so, quest gaps and bugs, but over time things would slowly get fixed. I really was in for the long haul.

AoC went the other way, it started broken but perfectly playable, then they added really stupid nerfs, memory leaks that caused crashes every 30 minutes, invisible walls everyfuckingwhere, censorship (why bother censoring boobs and language AFTER you release the game?), graphic bugs up the wazoo. All while fixing nothing they'd broken before and constantly lying about the next PvP update.

Everything I'm hearing about Warhammer is that it's slowly (but not that slowly, oddly enough) getting better, which is why I just ordered it.

[mightbe]

Honestly, if I can't find more time in my schedule I'm going to be cancelling WoW and WAR at the end of this month.

[Squidbot]

Hell yes. I am a long term MMO player, and War has all the right elements to be a long term game for me. I couldn't even consider WoW again, after War, the diversity in the levelling alone is enough to keep me hooked for a while longer. And at 40 I cannot wait to raid Inevitable City.
Add to that the distilled crack of being an Achievement Whore in an MMO, with achievements that either visibly enhance the look of your character or add to your stats, and you've got an MMO with some legs.

[Cit Phil Cit]

Weighted, measured and found excellent. I'm staying, no time limit.

[Smoof]

I'm reasonably certain I'll be sticking with it. However, I got to level 19 on my War Priest and haven't really played much. I'm assuming this is because I'm fairly burned out on MMO's and when I find myself wanting to game, I'm playing something with some single player. STALKER: Clear Sky, Disgaea (on DS), The Witcher and many others. Haven't had much desire to play WAR, but like I said, I think it's because I'm burned out on MMO's in general and nothing to do with WAR. I really do like the game.

[rifter]

I will probalby subscribe for 1 more month, and then play WotLK, then go back to WAR after I have done some stuff there. Definately will split my time, for a bit.

[CptTripps]

the diversity in the levelling alone is enough to keep me hooked for a while longer.

You speaketh the truth. I leveled to 6 through PQ's in no time flat and then all the way to 12 through scenarios. I am now 15 through standard quests and just having a ball.

[Reverant]

I enjoy the shit out this game! I will continue next month.

[Wilkz07]

yes. i'm in for 90 days (timecard) we'll see after that. hopefully server lag will be lightened.

[Smoof]

I haven't played WAR in a while and I'm already considering going back to WoW. Contrary to my previous post...

Something about WAR doesn't grab me the way WoW does. I'm a little disappointed that I don't absolutely love WAR, but it's just not doing it for me at the moment. I find the environments pretty lacking, nothing really stands out about them, unlike in WoW where each zone is distinct in its design. The PvP in WAR is fucking fantastic, coming from someone who absolutely loathes WoW's PvP (Gear > All). What bugs me most about WAR though is there's no one to play with. I've got my War Priest to 19 and I find almost no one to group with, especially in the evening. I went to the Elf lands and they're completely barren of people, no one talks, no one does anything.

I'm wondering if I should try Destruction before I totally give up, as I do like the game.

[Primus]

Done with WoW. WAR is better suited to my tastes.

[Kryopsis]

I haven't played WAR in a while and I'm already considering going back to WoW. Contrary to my previous post...

Something about WAR doesn't grab me the way WoW does. I'm a little disappointed that I don't absolutely love WAR, but it's just not doing it for me at the moment. I find the environments pretty lacking, nothing really stands out about them, unlike in WoW where each zone is distinct in its design. The PvP in WAR is fucking fantastic, coming from someone who absolutely loathes WoW's PvP (Gear > All). What bugs me most about WAR though is there's no one to play with. I've got my War Priest to 19 and I find almost no one to group with, especially in the evening. I went to the Elf lands and they're completely barren of people, no one talks, no one does anything.

I'm wondering if I should try Destruction before I totally give up, as I do like the game.

Join Ghostbear's guild on Red Eye before you give up. :0)

[Klunka]

WAR is an amazing game. It is not a good MMO however. I know it's cliche to refer it all back to Penny Arcade but Tycho really said it best.

WAR is about murdering people. When you're not murdering people, it isn't fun. This game should be played more like a shooter than an MMO. There's PvE there, and lots of it, but it's not what will grab you. They gave us the game they set out to. If you don't want to be in constant battle against the other side, don't bother. I almost wish there were less zones, so it forced more players into the same area. Then I'd have more people to fight.

[Cit Phil Cit]

WAR is an amazing game. It is not a good MMO however. I know it's cliche to refer it all back to Penny Arcade but Tycho really said it best.

WAR is about murdering people. When you're not murdering people, it isn't fun. This game should be played more like a shooter than an MMO. There's PvE there, and lots of it, but it's not what will grab you. They gave us the game they set out to. If you don't want to be in constant battle against the other side, don't bother. I almost wish there were less zones, so it forced more players into the same area. Then I'd have more people to fight.

I would say, wait a month and change (or less, perhaps more depending on your play style) until you get to the level cap - as will many others. At that point, i think it should be interesting to see what happens.

[Rakael]

Money is tight, and I rarely get to play with all of my family duties. I think the most prudent thing to do would be to cancel my subscription, at least for now. I really do enjoy the game though, and am sad that I have to quit.

[CptTripps]

Looks like the big 1.1 patch will fix many things people are disliking so far. Improved chat interface with item linking, target of target, performance issues. It seems like they are listening :)

[Wasson_]

yeah I 'll keep playin it, because you don't HAVE to keep playing it constantly like WoW in order to do stuff / to have the best gear.

Destruction is way over populated...or rather the Order is underpopulated. I'm not sure how to put it, but their is a grave unbalance on alot of the servers.

[Smoof]

Order is extremely underpopulated, which is why I want to take a spin with Destruction, because maybe there will actually be people doing PQ's and running around.

What does everyone suggest for a class on Dest? I don't really want another healer, but I don't want to be something overpopulated like a tank and I'm not a fan of casters...so it really leaves me with only a few options, like a Marauder or a Squig Herder. I hear the SH's are sort of broken though, any thoughts? I'd really like to play one.

[Ten19]

AoC was a flash in the pan. WAR is here to say.

[Inspector Fowler]

Aaaaagggh. Dammit, guys, stop talking about this game.

I JUST got back into WoW. And I love WoW. I love WoW for a lot of things that I know don't really exist in WAR.

But the idea of making PvP a central gameplay element instead of something that happens to me while I'm trying to get some quests done sounds awesome to me. Also, the idea of the RvR combat and the more action-based PvP makes me almost giddy with delight.

End game in WoW holds 100% zero interest for me. I have no interest in doing battlegrounds over and over, just to get better gear for more battlegrounds. I have no interest in raiding the same dungeon over and over just to get better gear for more dungeons. But add in a world where winning or losing in an area means we hold or lose a city? Hmmm. Let me level up while I'm fighting alongside the other players? Hmmmmmm.

But I know I'd miss a lot of stuff from WoW. The silly things people make fun of me for. Fishing. The kind of cartoony look. The feeling of the game in general. The diversity and size of the environments. The holiday celebrations that are kinda fun even though they're super goofy.

Gaaack! I don't know where to spend my time or money!

Thank God Far Cry 2 will get my next game purchase, which will take all my "allowance money" until December. Maybe by then I'll be more ready to decide one way or the other.

[J Arcane]

yeah I 'll keep playin it, because you don't HAVE to keep playing it constantly like WoW in order to do stuff / to have the best gear.

Destruction is way over populated...or rather the Order is underpopulated. I'm not sure how to put it, but their is a grave unbalance on alot of the servers.
I said it in another thread, and I'll say it again: For all the talk about free-to-play and WoW and a lot of other bollocks, it's WAR that has proven to me to be the most casual friendly MMO out there. It takes almost no time at all to do most anything you'd want to do short of a city raid.

I can drop in, poke around for 20 minutes or so, and quit. Shit, you could stick this thing on a handheld and it would be fine.

[ClannerDelta]

Destruction is way over populated...or rather the Order is underpopulated. I'm not sure how to put it, but their is a grave unbalance on alot of the servers.

In my experience the "grave" imbalance is something most people use as an excuse. There are definitely some servers with a gigantic imbalance, but for the most part it's fairly even.

Maybe I'm just jaded because I went from Midgard to a WoW server where I played Horde at a 3:1 disadvantage. Most of the numbers I'm seeing tend to be 1 to 1.5. Which doesn't seem like such a huge disadvantage. Especially when %50 of the Order side is Bright Wizards ;)

Come to Red Eye Mountain, haven't been stuck in a queue in a while and the fights we seem to get tend to be pretty even.

[Hotcod]

most of the severs i've played on the vast majority of zones are under destruction control... for the most part it seems to simply be the weight of numbers on the destruction side running PQs and the like... even if the order bothers to get together and take points and keeps it takes longer to get control and when they are it's hard to hold on to simply beacuse of the grater number of destruction playings racking up VP...

Given the VP system as it is at the moment even a small imbalance to the numbers can be a rather a big issue... i'd like to see the VPs some how weighted vs population

[ClannerDelta]

most of the severs i've played on the vast majority of zones are under destruction control... for the most part it seems to simply be the weight of numbers on the destruction side running PQs and the like... even if the order bothers to get together and take points and keeps it takes longer to get control and when they are it's hard to hold on to simply beacuse of the grater number of destruction playings racking up VP...

Given the VP system as it is at the moment even a small imbalance to the numbers can be a rather a big issue... i'd like to see the VPs some how weighted vs population

Well, on both Red Eye and Dark Crag they seem to be pretty even. The VP system also seems a bit broken in general. Quite a long thread on Warhammer Alliance about Order guilds on different servers unable to capture Praag. Even when the VP's should still be counting in their favor. So the system isn't a reliable meter of population imbalance.

[Rakael]

Just canceled my account. I am kinda bummed that I had to, but I really wasn't getting my money's worth considering how little I actually get to play.

[kropotkin]

I'm driven to see the 'end game' of WAR which has forced me to sign up a subscription. As a fan of PvE end game of WoW I want to know how WAR deals with those that reach the end of the rank and renoun grind. Does your focus change to gear gathering? Does it switch over to RvR battling or are their massive dungeons to raid in a similar vein to Molton Core.

On WoW I was a serial raider. I contributed and even lead 39 others into certain massively expensive repair bills and I really enjoyed it. I'm just curious as to how WAR handles such things, if at all.

[Vyzov]

I'm driven to see the 'end game' of WAR which has forced me to sign up a subscription. As a fan of PvE end game of WoW I want to know how WAR deals with those that reach the end of the rank and renoun grind. Does your focus change to gear gathering? Does it switch over to RvR battling or are their massive dungeons to raid in a similar vein to Molton Core.

On WoW I was a serial raider. I contributed and even lead 39 others into certain massively expensive repair bills and I really enjoyed it. I'm just curious as to how WAR handles such things, if at all.

End game is T4 RVR. Controlling the zones, pushing the enmy back to the fortress zones, destroying the fortresses and the beseiging the capital cities. There are no plans on end game PVE raids being added in. The entire focus of WAR is on RVR content. That has always been the plan.

[Smoof]

I think I'm going to have to stick with WAR further. I resubbed my WoW account and...it's just not the same. WAR is just more fun to play...the only problem is the population. I just wish there were more people to play with on WAR. Oh well, I'll stick with my gimped (apparently?) Squig Herder for a while and see how I like it over my 19 War Priest.

[RandoM51]

I declined. Game just doesn't have much to offer post-40th.

3-6 months of patches and PvP/RvR tuning might change that though, so I'll be watching.

It has made me think about playing WoW again---I played beta and 3 months of release till capping a character and deciding that battlegrounds were crap and raids were not my thing---seeing as how the expansions have probably added plenty of new PvE content for me to check out.

Can't remember my old account info though. Had a shaman at whatever the max level was back then but didn't feel like being a heal/mana bot in raids.

[kropotkin]

End game is T4 RVR. Controlling the zones, pushing the enmy back to the fortress zones, destroying the fortresses and the beseiging the capital cities. There are no plans on end game PVE raids being added in. The entire focus of WAR is on RVR content. That has always been the plan.

Well seeing as how well the RvR is panning out I can see a lot of appeal to taking on the opposing faction all kitted out with the aim of ending their paltry existence...for about 30 seconds at any rate.

I shall continue to get through to 40 and see how I enjoy the end game of WAR. If it appeals I'll stay. If however it turns into a foul stinky mirror of AoC I'll be unsubscribing very quickly.

[Rilav]

I'm going to continue playing this, though I will at least pick up and play a few weeks in Wotlk.

but after playing WoW for 4 years I am ready for something new.

[Lint of Death]

I'm playing this far more than I thought I would, so I'll probably let the account stay on hold for a while.

[rifter]

You know.. the game kind of wanes for me... then I get into an Open RvR battle for keeps and objectives, and am reminded why this game just freaking rocks!

[RandoM51]

There are no plans on end game PVE raids being added in. The entire focus of WAR is on RVR content.

Added? There are at least three end game PvE raid(warband) instances in the game already. Check out Bastion Stair, the Bloodlord instance off of the city and that other instance off the city that is only open when the city is rank 5 and the characters lvl 40.

Admittedly they don't hold a candle to WoW endgame PvE content and as you have stated never will because that isn't their chosen direction.

I took a lvl 36-39 group to bastion staircase and the tank in the group was poo-pooing the lvl 35-38 mobs. I said, "just wait till you get hit". He continued jabbering until he got 3-hit by the second mob we faced, rofl. I'm going to assume he'd never been to Gundabad and did not understand how much Mythic pumped the instance champions.

[Vyzov]

Added? There are at least three end game PvE raid(warband) instances in the game already. Check out Bastion Stair, the Bloodlord instance off of the city and that other instance off the city that is only open when the city is rank 5 and the characters lvl 40.

I'm aware of those. I'm not counting them as endgame content. They are more along the lines of preparing you for the city sieges.

[RandoM51]

I'm aware of those. I'm not counting them as endgame content. They are more along the lines of preparing you for the city sieges.

I've yet to see anybody use siege gear in any of those instances. :D

[Smoof]

Been playing my Squig Herder and loving the crap out of it. I think I'll probably renew my account when it comes up in a few days. I think I'm liking the Squig Herder much more than my Warrior Priest and I feel like I'm having more fun when I PvP with the Squig Herder than with the WP. The Warrior Priest was certainly no slouch in the PvP dept. but for some reason I'm just enjoying the SH more...could be the fact that I really enjoy being in the top three spots on damage at the end. I'm apparently really good at playing a Squig Herder because I regularly take top spots over Bright Wizards. In fact, today I topped another SH that was six levels above me.

I hear the class is gimped, but I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. PvE isn't as easy on the SH as it is with the WP, but shit...I'm loving it.

Edit: I should say, I think what I find most fun about it is stealthily picking people off in the back of groups in PvP. I like to pick on healers and when there's none of those to pick on, RDPS classes.

[UWCrash]

I kind of had a slow start with WAR. I got up to 19 pretty fast and then real life kicked my ass for a solid two weeks. I started to get back into it on Thursday and I'm up to Rank 23. I still need a lot of work on renown though, as I'm only RR 15. I've always been around 10 levels (ie. a full tier) behind the rest of the guildies on Red Eye so I could find a few people to do scenarios with but never participate in most guild events (keep sieges or PQs). I could never stand to grind WoW battlegrounds, and it's pretty much the same with WAR. The difference being I don't have to worry about the entire other faction being a pre-made (yes, I know WoW made changes a few patch back but I haven't played since then).

That said, I'm really glad they added those public region channels. Literally within the last 24 hours I saw my first two successful keep sieges thanks to groups I found in that channel, one in T2 and one in T3. The T2 one wasn't anything epic, about half a warband against maybe 2-3 Order defenders, but it was a great learning experience for me in how to pull/tank the keep lord (aside from random PQ Heros, I haven't had to tank much). The T3 siege a few hours ago was pretty wild. There were at least two full warbands of Destro. I joined just after they had finished one keep, and we rolled through a couple BFOs to meet what must have been a full warband of Order at the Avelorn keep. I wasn't much of a "key player" there as I was still rank 22 with most of my gear being 17-19.

I'll definitely be sticking with it through 40, and from there it'll depend on how the end game content pans out. My roommate reactivated his WoW account this week, and I have every intention of never playing that again. Earlier this year (when we moved in) I had to listen to him raid, so I figured I'd level my shaman from 60->70 and then kick around Kara a bit...then after killing Illidan I suddenly realized I had pissed away 2-3 months in the middle of the summer when I could've been enjoying Oregonian weather. :D

[Farsight]

I'm staying month-to-month on WAR. I like the game but I find I'm not playing it a lot, probably because while it does everything well, it's still doing the same MMO stuff I've grown bored with. I'm hoping that getting a horse will allow me to play more w/o losing interest - any time I knew I'd have to run all the way across a map I tended to log out. :)

WAR is the only current MMO that I can see myself playing after reaching the max level, as it's the only one I've played that isn't a bait-n-switch at the end game (if I like a game while levelling, why would I want a totally different game at the max level?). Mythic gets a lot of credit from me for achieving that.

As for WoW, I deleted it from the hard drive a while back. The sheer amount of time required to reinstall and patch it should be plenty to keep me from ever re-upping due to temporary insanity. Unless they add something I really want to see (and WotLK fails at that epically), WoW is dead to me... Dead, I say!

[Lint of Death]

I've yet to see anybody use siege gear in any of those instances. :D

I haven't done much open RvR in WAR, but I'd like to finally have an opportunity to use the Black Orc's oil resistance ability. :D

[Squidbot]

I've had to use the oil move with my orc, when my warband has been using a ram on the doors of a keep and Order are pouring oil on us. We also use cannons to pound at the Order defences.

[Lint of Death]

I think I voted no, but the true answer is now

yes

[DangerousDaze]

It's interesting that John Riccitiello, the CEO of EA stated in their recent earnings call that their subscription conversion rate is running at 70% (source:Seeking Alpha (http://seekingalpha.com/article/103136-electronic-arts-f2q09-qtr-end-9-30-08-earnings-call-transcript?page=-1) - look down in the Q&A) which is largely in line with the results of this poll.

/edit - BTW, if you read the rest of the transcript, be wary of all the non-GAAP figures being bandied around. These pro forma results are often misleading because they're not based on a solid accounting foundation. GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) is a system that allows investors to compare the figures of various companies on an equal basis - you know that they all followed the same rules. Non-GAAP means that they've excluded all kinds of stuff in order to make their results look better than they are. The kind of things they usually exclude are restructuring costs, arguing that they're a one off and therefore artificially make the quarter look bad, but companies often restructure over and over again.

It's an interesting read, if you can stick with it!