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Aggort
10-11-2008, 09:31 PM
Though I am sure I'd reorder some of these, FEAR would be much lower and Crysis just a tad for instance, this list (http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/207423/the-28-best-fps-games/) definitely comprises of what I would say is the 28 best of all time. It's a damn good list by the guys of GamePro so enjoy it and sit back and watch the debating flare.

I will say this, though I am surprised that it made 2nd place, Call of Duty 4 has proven to many of us here at CoG dozens of times that it's as good as it gets and it's impressive how CoD has kind of became our hub for getting Colonists together. We thought we'd been moved on by now, but I see us playing it like FoodNipple plays Shadowrun... forever.

shodan2020
10-11-2008, 10:39 PM
NOLF 2 is fucking amazing. The Manhandler alone is worth the price of admission. Duke 3d and Halo 3 should be a bit lower and I'm sad that SHOGO: MAD wasn't on the list.. but maybe that's just because I love the way Monolith makes a game. Also, we all know that System Shock 2 should be a bit farther up.. certainly ahead of Duke 3d. :)

Vandabo
10-11-2008, 11:05 PM
I would have to put Quake on there somewhere. Quake 2 was great and all, a better game all around, but I'll be damned if Quake 1 wasn't the game that made me a gamer (especially online). Quake 1 saw CTF and the Arena concept become so popular, it was where Team Fortress got its start. It was the first FPS I used a mouse for!

Also, there was no Jedi Knight. Come on.

quidmonkey
10-11-2008, 11:12 PM
Thief 2 > Thief
NOLF > NOLF2
Halo > Halo 3
Timesplitters 2 > Timesplitters 3

Perfect Dark - lol

OrangePulp
10-11-2008, 11:16 PM
That list was criminal, as most lists are. Tribes 2 at fucking 26, below Turok 2? What the fuck. Also, no Team Fortress 2? They should have called it, A list of some good FPS games (whether I would ever call a turok game good... eh).

The Iron Weasel
10-12-2008, 12:10 AM
Call of Duty 4 is pretty awesome but not deserving of the number 2 spot. Halo series, not Halo 3, but Halo 3 is the best one.

Maskatron
10-12-2008, 12:42 AM
Crysis before UT? :rolleyes:

Deadend
10-12-2008, 01:48 AM
What the hell is RtCW doing on the list at all?

Oh yeah.. Gamepro.

PROTIP: Gamepro is not good.

boratika
10-12-2008, 03:01 AM
The thing about the list that baffles me the most is that out of all the Half Life 2 screens to choose from, that chose one of something that didn't make the final cut.

Wasson_
10-12-2008, 03:27 AM
Ah yes...lets use a picture of the Hydra for HL2. HURRRRR...

eh...why 28, what a fucking retarded and arbitrary number for a list.

Oh yeah, Shodan? SHOGOs shittyness is so memorable to me...it's scary, what is wrong with you?

ugh, everything just pisses me off all of a sudden.

BLeeP
10-12-2008, 03:32 AM
The thing about the list that baffles me the most is that out of all the Half Life 2 screens to choose from, that chose one of something that didn't make the final cut.

Ha, I was looking at that screen shot thinking "when the hell did that happen?".

Ancalagon
10-12-2008, 04:03 AM
They also used a Deus Ex screenshot for AVP2.

I dont think it should have been a ranked list, it should have just been a list. Something like, "Here is a group of our favourite and most influential FPS games, in no particular order." That would have been something, because as much as I enjoy BioShock, it hasnt influenced multiplayer games in any way, unlike Quake 1.

Also, their choices were a bit strange. Quake 1 not there at all? I never played much of it, but I recognize what it did for multiplayer online gaming in general. And 3D rendering. The lack of TF2 is pretty stupid, and I think Half Life 1 should have made the list, not Half Life 2. Dont get me wrong, I love both, but Half Life 1 really broke new ground, Half Life 2 just extended it.

Fail list is fail.

Squidbot
10-12-2008, 04:37 AM
That list is pretty bobbins. Yes, there are some great FPS games on there, but they missed some classics, and put in some....ah, questionable games. Turok 2? Timesplitters? Eh?

Hotcod
10-12-2008, 06:39 AM
a halo game in to the 10 ten fps of all time? well that lists a joke, also no halflife.... silly

boratika
10-12-2008, 06:55 AM
a halo game in to the 10 ten fps of all time? well that lists a joke, also no halflife.... silly

I think they were doing one game per series and Half Life 2 was #1.

H.Bogard
10-12-2008, 07:43 AM
I didn't know Thief was an FPS.
And Halo 3? LOL!

JayK47
10-12-2008, 08:24 AM
I love the Half Life 2 screen shot. It is from a early preview of the game. I have the Half Life 2 limited edition, and they explain why they cut that sewer serpent thing. That is why I love previews. They hardly ever resemble the final product. Besides the horrible screen shot selection, the list just plain sucks. But it seems to be an opinion, so what can you do?

GunnyMo
10-12-2008, 08:37 AM
Putting two N64 games in a FPS list is downright stupid. Sorry, fan boys but Golden Eye and Perfect Dark are craptacular to say the least. Those two are a prime example of nostalgia perfectly clouding judgment.

Thief = First Person Sneaker ;)

Aggort
10-12-2008, 08:43 AM
Call of Duty 4 is pretty awesome but not deserving of the number 2 spot. Halo series, not Halo 3, but Halo 3 is the best one.

I am surprised you were the first to say this, but I strongly disagree for the reason I listed. I am definitely in wonder of why TF2 wasn't on that list, heck even Portal, but I'm not sure why.

Also, I can't help but wonder if the whole list isn't necessarily in order, I definitely agree about Turok never supposed to be that high, but I think the list isn't only in order of how good they are but also how revolutionary, of course by that logic Tribes 2 would have to be very high. One thing is for sure, they were doing one game per a series and had other criteria other than just how well the game scored.

And JayK, if you think that lists sucks, I'd love to see what games you play. Even if the list is opinionated and slightly skewed those games are definitely within everyone's list of top 10 games.

Dukefrukem
10-12-2008, 09:23 AM
this is really weird. i was just finishing a blog about this...

KingGorilla
10-12-2008, 11:52 AM
I will not dignify the link bating beyond stating the obvious, like all lists of its kind it seems to be made by 12 year olds.

That is all.

Wedge
10-12-2008, 01:34 PM
Thief 2 > Thief
NOLF > NOLF2
Halo > Halo 3
Timesplitters 2 > Timesplitters 3

Perfect Dark - lol
HL1 > HL2
For its time, at least. HL1 blew me away, HL2 did not.

Purple Santa
10-12-2008, 01:49 PM
Ugh...I went and read it...I feel dirty for actually visiting Gamepro website...I hope my laptop doesn't get a virus from visiting...this thread should of been locked after the OP stating Gamepro list...

KingGorilla
10-12-2008, 01:49 PM
There is one thing I sometimes forget, and that is that Monolith had a stretch where they were making some of the best, if not the best, shooters around. There are some impressive titles made by that studio. Alien Vs Predator, NOLF, Blood really has had an influence on the idea of horror and gore in games, plus Caleb is just awesome. In an era where Id and Epic were battling for the arena space, Monolith was making some good campaigns with really good stories.

Spectre-7
10-12-2008, 02:00 PM
And JayK, if you think that lists sucks, I'd love to see what games you play. Even if the list is opinionated and slightly skewed those games are definitely within everyone's list of top 10 games.

All 28 of them? :p

Troggles
10-12-2008, 02:10 PM
The presence of Halo 3 and the lack of TF2 completely invalidates this list.

JayK47
10-12-2008, 03:38 PM
And JayK, if you think that lists sucks, I'd love to see what games you play. Even if the list is opinionated and slightly skewed those games are definitely within everyone's list of top 10 games.

The list sucks, not necessarily the games on it. Why 28? Who not 50? What an odd number for a list. And some of those games are pretty lame while much better games went missing. Of course that is one man's opinion;)

KingGorilla
10-12-2008, 04:45 PM
What that list is most missing are the Mods. Enemy Territory, Team Fortress, Deasert Combat, etc.

There are many mods that were more influential on the shooter genre than the games from which they used the code.

King3567
10-13-2008, 09:55 AM
Call of Duty 4...no. Sorry, doesn't deserve a spot. The original or number 2 shoudl've been on there.

Abednigo
10-13-2008, 09:57 AM
I always love lists like this. Whether I agree with them or not, it often makes me nostalgic about old games. Since I rarely play games anymore, sometimes the nostalgia is all I have left. :)

J Arcane
10-13-2008, 10:13 AM
That list was criminal, as most lists are. Tribes 2 at fucking 26, below Turok 2? What the fuck. Also, no Team Fortress 2? They should have called it, A list of some good FPS games (whether I would ever call a turok game good... eh).
Play Turok 3 and Rage Wars.

Turok 1 is shit. Turok 2 was just very pretty shit (when you could see it through the fog). T3 and TRW were fucking brilliant.

Karak
10-13-2008, 10:26 AM
I always love lists like this. Whether I agree with them or not, it often makes me nostalgic about old games. Since I rarely play games anymore, sometimes the nostalgia is all I have left. :)
This.
Opinions and lists don't bother me. Some people like games I don't or were in a better mood then I was when playing a game. Its just life.
But as you said, what these do is make me want to go back and play some of the older ones.

Khrymsyn
10-13-2008, 10:27 AM
What that list is most missing are the Mods. Enemy Territory, Team Fortress, Deasert Combat, etc.

There are many mods that were more influential on the shooter genre than the games from which they used the code.


I agree, but then they'd have to give Navy Seals and Action Quake props for things such as using real weapons, wounding, etc... and the CounterStrike (which wouldn't have existed without NS and AQ) people would be pissed that thier Mod wasn't mentioned.

DeathtollWRX
10-15-2008, 11:14 PM
I think it's funny how everyone loves to knock Halo. The funny thing is after Halo 1 was released almost ever first person shooter since copied the shield regeneration idea. At least Spartan 117 had a reason to recharge.. because he had a built in shield and recharger! How the hell do you explain World War 2 soldiers automatically healing when they took a round to the neck? How come every damn game copies that and no one gives credit to Halo for pioneering that? At least Battlefield tried something original with the health injection. Bring back HEALTH PACKS!

BTW, Does the original Rainbow Six count as an FPS? I mean it could be played as an FPS and it was far beter than the new console versions.

Rainbow went from realistic to Halo regen really quickly.

cp#
10-16-2008, 12:15 AM
+Team Fortress 2
-Halo 3

Hotcod
10-16-2008, 07:07 AM
I think it's funny how everyone loves to knock Halo. The funny thing is after Halo 1 was released almost ever first person shooter since copied the shield regeneration idea. At least Spartan 117 had a reason to recharge.. because he had a built in shield and recharger! How the hell do you explain World War 2 soldiers automatically healing when they took a round to the neck? How come every damn game copies that and no one gives credit to Halo for pioneering that? At least Battlefield tried something original with the health injection. Bring back HEALTH PACKS!

BTW, Does the original Rainbow Six count as an FPS? I mean it could be played as an FPS and it was far beter than the new console versions.

Rainbow went from realistic to Halo regen really quickly.

Halo had some good ideas, it did some interesting things and as a fps it was.... ok boarding on bad beacuse of the way it was so amazingly unfinished. People love to knock it beacuse for some god forsaken reason it's held up as being one of the best fps of all time when it's clearly, by any reasonable standards, not in the same league as things like half life. It just happened to be the first good fps on a console since golden eye and came out at a time that consoles where finding huge growth so that a load of people who really don't know better where handed halo and thought it was the best thing ever.

Honestly don't get me wrong, halo isn't awful i'm just saying it gets knocked so much beacuse it gets far far far more praise then it ever really should have gotten. I mean the simple fact that half the game was copy and pasted from the other half and to fill it out you where sent running one way down the same exact corridor as the last one then sent all the way back means that 3/4 of the game is fighting the same bad guys in the same damned level... if it wasn't for the few good things it did do and the few fantastic areas and set pieces that you got every so often then halo would have been an awful awful game. It was rushed and damn sloppy for the vast majority of it's play time and it sadly didn't live up to what it could have been... but still, console fanboys will defend it to the death as being the best fps everz out of some misguided sense of brand loyalty... i mean ya, i don't care you enjoyed the mess that was most of that game, thats up to your and your tastes but it just honestly and objectively not as amamzing as its always made out to be which is why i and people like me get pissed of when it ends up in the top 10 fps or the like...

Sorry... I've not done my full halo bash on the new forums yet heh so i kinda had to

Ancalagon
10-16-2008, 08:12 AM
Halo had some good ideas, it did some interesting things and as a fps it was.... ok boarding on bad beacuse of the way it was so amazingly unfinished. People love to knock it beacuse for some god forsaken reason it's held up as being one of the best fps of all time when it's clearly, by any reasonable standards, not in the same league as things like half life. It just happened to be the first good fps on a console since golden eye and came out at a time that consoles where finding huge growth so that a load of people who really don't know better where handed halo and thought it was the best thing ever.

Honestly don't get me wrong, halo isn't awful i'm just saying it gets knocked so much beacuse it gets far far far more praise then it ever really should have gotten. I mean the simple fact that half the game was copy and pasted from the other half and to fill it out you where sent running one way down the same exact corridor as the last one then sent all the way back means that 3/4 of the game is fighting the same bad guys in the same damned level... if it wasn't for the few good things it did do and the few fantastic areas and set pieces that you got every so often then halo would have been an awful awful game. It was rushed and damn sloppy for the vast majority of it's play time and it sadly didn't live up to what it could have been... but still, console fanboys will defend it to the death as being the best fps everz out of some misguided sense of brand loyalty... i mean ya, i don't care you enjoyed the mess that was most of that game, thats up to your and your tastes but it just honestly and objectively not as amamzing as its always made out to be which is why i and people like me get pissed of when it ends up in the top 10 fps or the like...

Sorry... I've not done my full halo bash on the new forums yet heh so i kinda had to

For the most part I agree. I confess that the only Halo I've played was Halo 1 for the PC. I thought it was a good game, with some good ideas, but I agree that when you compare it to other PC fpses, it just doesnt stand up to them.

It does have some good ideas, and for that reason I think Halo 1 should make this list, but not Halo 3. Halo 3, although apparently good, isnt really innovative or genre defining. It might deserve a place for being the biggest release ever in terms of movies, music and gaming, and thus might deserve a mention because it showed that games were no longer played by nerds in basements, but are now on a par in terms of impact, reach, and market.

Karak
10-16-2008, 09:24 AM
I think it's funny how everyone loves to knock Halo. The funny thing is after Halo 1 was released almost ever first person shooter since copied the shield regeneration idea. At least Spartan 117 had a reason to recharge.. because he had a built in shield and recharger!


And legions of people love it. There will always be haters and always be people with blind devotion. It is not a 0 sum game.
I adore Halo 1, disliked Halo 2 and adore Halo 3. In all my life I have never wondered nor cared if anyone felt the same. If they liked them maybe we played at the same time, if not then we didn't.
For every person who knocks Halo there is one who likes it. And it did bring some good ideas and if you liked the story then you enjoyed it. *Shrugs* life.

Squidbot
10-16-2008, 10:18 AM
There is one thing I sometimes forget, and that is that Monolith had a stretch where they were making some of the best, if not the best, shooters around. There are some impressive titles made by that studio. Alien Vs Predator, NOLF, Blood really has had an influence on the idea of horror and gore in games, plus Caleb is just awesome. In an era where Id and Epic were battling for the arena space, Monolith was making some good campaigns with really good stories.

Monolith made AvP2, Rebellion made the first game, I believe?

National Kato
10-16-2008, 02:22 PM
That list is pretty bobbins.

This thread is gold simply because of this phrase. :p

Goronmon
10-16-2008, 02:35 PM
Halo definitely belongs on the list.

No Turok game should ever be on those kinds of lists.

Goldeneye is awesome, but it's pretty much a rule that any PC gamer is supposed to hate FPS games on the console, so I can see why some people are against it being ranked so high.

Borthcollective
10-16-2008, 02:49 PM
Monolith made AvP2, Rebellion made the first game, I believe?

Yep, which is why I thought Dredd vs. Death had a chance at being good. I was wrong.

How about some Dark Forces? Shogo I can agree with also.

Ghostbear
10-17-2008, 11:59 PM
Dark Forces would have been nice, even Jedi knight (while ugly, was an awesome game)

VerseD
10-18-2008, 12:58 AM
I disagree with a lot on this list (Crysis at #12?), but it's not all bad. It's cool to see the big players in the genre, the games that shaped today's big FPS titles. It also reminds me to play No One Lives Forever 2.

KingGorilla
10-18-2008, 02:39 PM
Dark Forces would have been nice, even Jedi knight (while ugly, was an awesome game)

Those games were such a collosal leap forward as far as story in games, let alone story told in an FPS. And I think it was Gamers With Jobs, but they remarked as to how that game still has the best Lightsaber combat, and it is more than a decade old.

Schnoogs
10-18-2008, 03:17 PM
List is garbage....no HL? No Doom? No Quake? No Halo? No Jedi Knight? No Dark Forces?

Spectre-7
10-18-2008, 08:27 PM
Heinous! Where are Chasm: The Rift and Extreme Paintbrawl? Where are Mortyr, Soldner and You Are Empty?! This list is shit.

:)

Seriously though... Lists like these aren't all that interesting. They looked back through their review archive, grabbed the best reviewed games, probably quibbled amongst themselves over one or two, and bingo! Article.

I'm a little more interested in all of your picks for notable FPSs that deserve more recognition than they've gotten. Games that stick out in your memory, and probably influenced the industry a great deal, but which just don't appear on these sorts of lists.

My starters are Terminator: Future Shock and Requiem: Avenging Angel. Neither one ever pops up on a best of list, and probably never will, but I think they were both pretty sweet for their times.

Yours?

J Arcane
10-19-2008, 12:15 AM
Soldner

Hey now, Soldner was pretty fucking awesome for a while there. It wasn't without it's problems but I had a lot of fun with it. There's still a lot about that game I wish I saw some other companies picking up and stealing, because it was cool.