CoG WoW Thread

[IIntrude]

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[Matthias]

I hit Azshara today with my trial account's troll druid, and unfortunately have to agree that I'm leveling too fast. I appreciate not having to grind an entire zone to hit its level cap, but I'm outstripping the breadcrumbs for the zone, so I'm not really sure which hub to go to now that all the remaining Secret Lab quests are green...

That being said, I like getting the druid forms earlier. Such a nice boost to get speed and water forms right after bear.

[Stoke]

I hit Azshara today with my trial account's troll druid, and unfortunately have to agree that I'm leveling too fast. I appreciate not having to grind an entire zone to hit its level cap, but I'm outstripping the breadcrumbs for the zone, so I'm not really sure which hub to go to now that all the remaining Secret Lab quests are green...

That being said, I like getting the druid forms earlier. Such a nice boost to get speed and water forms right after bear.

I had this problem as well at first. However, in your "home" city there should be a bulletin board that will give you a quest and directions to a zone appropriate for your level.

[Squidbot]

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You should post that in the beautiful screenshots thread.

[SilentScreams]

Agreed. And break it out every time someone says that WoW has poor graphics.

On an unrelated note, the Vitreous Stone Drake may be the best looking mount I've ever seen. It will be mine!

[Matthias]

I had this problem as well at first. However, in your "home" city there should be a bulletin board that will give you a quest and directions to a zone appropriate for your level.

Well, I know I should stay in Azshara for the next 4 levels or so. I just need to figure out where within the zone I need to go. I've tackled the middle and southernmost end, so I'm assuming I need to head to the north.

For level 20-30, should I head to Ashenvale, or what other zones are there now?

[SilentScreams]

Stonetalon is an option, and I've just been directed towards STV on my 27 Shaman.

[iHap]

Last night I tanked The Stonecore. Right before you battle Orzuk, there are 3 groups of NPC's and a pat that strolls around. We ended up aggroing all 3 groups and that Pat and survived. I wish I could have gotten that on video, I was popping cd's and the healer was working overtime.

Tanking and Healing isn't /hard/ you just have to apply yourself. :)

[Widgetcraft]

Well, I know I should stay in Azshara for the next 4 levels or so. I just need to figure out where within the zone I need to go. I've tackled the middle and southernmost end, so I'm assuming I need to head to the north.

For level 20-30, should I head to Ashenvale, or what other zones are there now?

Follow all of the quest lines.

Check in Bilgewater Harbor near, but not on, the harbor. You should see a quest giver down there, Kalecgos.

[SilentScreams]

Last night I tanked The Stonecore. Right before you battle Orzuk, there are 3 groups of NPC's and a pat that strolls around. We ended up aggroing all 3 groups and that Pat and survived. I wish I could have gotten that on video, I was popping cd's and the healer was working overtime.

Tanking and Healing isn't /hard/ you just have to apply yourself. :)

If WoW stays true to form, it's only a matter of time before groups won't take a tank unless he has 500k hitpoints and a gear score of 1.2 billion though.

After all, having to actually think in instances instead of just sprinting through them is bad. :(

[Camel]

I did Grim Batol for the first time yesterday, and it was one of the most rewarding experiences I have had in WoW in a looooong time, just because everybody worked together. I was the healer, but our whole group worked amazingly well. The tank marked mobs and told people what to CC, the dps performed that CC without issue, I got to root and hibernate a few mobs while healing, etc. It was just like doing old instances, and incredibly awesome. Soooo much better than mindlessly running through WotLK instances.

EDIT: The best part is that I expect this stuff to be par for the course eventually. People who don't listen or pay attention, ragequit the first time something goes wrong, and generally try to do things the old way just aren't going to cut it. Well, not at first at least.

[Matthias]

If WoW stays true to form, it's only a matter of time before groups won't take a tank unless he has 500k hitpoints and a gear score of 1.2 billion though.

After all, having to actually think in instances instead of just sprinting through them is bad. :(

This is what I worry about in WoW, and why I've been trying to recruit some IRL friends back into the game, and hoped that RP servers would be a little more adult. I don't want to deal with rude kiddies wanting to brute force dungeons.

[Squidbot]

I am really hoping that Blizzard do not give in to the whining that is going on regarding use of CC and the "difficulty" of instances. I am loving this return to the old school style.

[Ink Asylum]

I'm looking forward to breaking out the Freezing traps again. I didn't do much heavy raiding in BC but I enjoyed doing more as a Hunter than just shooting stuff. Having to Misdirect to start an encounter and keeping a mob chain trapped until it was ready to be killed was a rewarding experience.

[Camel]

I am really hoping that Blizzard do not give in to the whining that is going on regarding use of CC and the "difficulty" of instances. I am loving this return to the old school style.
I have a bad feeling they will, but I definitely hope they don't.

You are right to call it "difficulty." Healing is definitely more difficult for me now because I can run out of mana quickly, but you know what makes it way easier? The tank only getting hit by 2 or 3 mobs instead of 4 at a time, since one is crowd controlled. The DPS waiting a second or two before they charge in so I don't end up with three people needing healing instead of just the tank. Playing smart makes the game so much more fun and eliminates a lot of the problems people are currently complaining about.

[Hawkzombie]

That's the problem...I don't think I can do randoms anymore because I have yet to get into one where ANYONE plays smart.

I had one where no one targeted the same mob, then complained as they became a bloody spot on the ground as they get two-shot into oblivion.

Had one where the rogue was actually sapping a mob (YES!) But then the pally tank would target the sapped mob and rush in. (WTF?!?)

I have yet to see, in several dungeons, anyone use any sort of CC abilities or 'smarter' gameplay. Everyone is still playing like Wrath, and trying to simply power through it all, and it's maddening as a healer. I literally go OOM every single fight.

I would kill for someone to use some CC. Hell, I'd MC a mob if I knew for sure the group would let the others kill it first before rushing headlong into their deaths

[Squidbot]

It's a little hit and miss in PUGs. I've had some brilliant pugs, and some nightmarish incidents. I'm only doing heroics with my guild.

[Exodus]

Yeah, with the way gear is you have to have the faction gear epics or higher to power through. Either that or have 3 op dk's with a good dk tank and decent healer.

[J Arcane]

Have I mentioned yet how I absolutely loathe the new WoW site with an intensity that cannot be contained?

Because it is a giant piece of flaming shit. You can't find goddamn anything, the functionality has been drastically reduced, even the goddamn Armory has been gimped to fuck now.

I know the old site was slow as shit, but at least it had shit on it instead of relying entirely on the worst Search function I have ever seen to find anything.

[SilentScreams]

I haven't played any of the new endgame instances yet (I'm having way too much fun levelling my new Shammy), but I'm glad to hear they've at least tried to go back to the old school method.

With that said, I'm levelling a new character and people seem to be finding the most simple of low level instance boss fights overwhelmingly difficult. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for later on. Anything that isn't "tank & spank" seems to overwhelm people.
Godfrey was the number one offender. You would not believe how many different groups I ran SFK with before one was actually smart enough to take him down. It's not even an overwhelmingly tricky fight...just don't stand in the cone AoE, take the ghouls down quickly, and interrupt the casting on the DoT. I figured him out the second time I fought him and yet I've wiped on him 4-5 times with the same group even after explaining the tactics to everyone.

I suppose in theory that once people make it to 85 they will be better players, but we all know that's not always true.

[Zero]

Made 85 tonight around midnight with my wife. I had to slow it down a bit so that we could climax simultaneously lest I fall asleep immediately after I finished.

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[Hotcod]

I had to miss out on the wotlk sale the other week which majorly pissed me off... probably going to be a good few weeks before I can jump on the band wagon *cry*

[anakin876]

Made 85 tonight around midnight with my wife. I had to slow it down a bit so that we could climax simultaneously lest I fall asleep immediately after I finished.

I don't want to make this too weird - but did you not see the double entendres in here?

[Troggles]

I don't want to make this too weird - but did you not see the double entendres in here?

Its almost like he meant to say it.

[Widgetcraft]

Got my main's engineering up to 525... for all the good it will do me. Engineers on my server are retarded. The vanity pet is only selling for like 900g because people crashed the market, when it was selling for 2500g (the mats cost at least 1500g or so). I'll need an orb from a heroic before I can make my goggles, which is the only reason I bothered with engineering at all.

Got my goblin shammy up to 68, so on to Northrend!

[Squidbot]

I don't want to make this too weird - but did you not see the double entendres in here?

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[Hawkzombie]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=65891

This makes me fucking happy to be an alchemist.

Now I just need 24k

[J Arcane]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=65891

This makes me fucking happy to be an alchemist.

Now I just need 24k
And I just figured out what I'm replacing my wind rider with. ;)

[SilentScreams]

I'm obsessed with getting the Vitreous Stone Drake. It has an insanely low drop rate though and even then I only have a 1 in 5 chance of getting it.

[anakin876]

http://www.wowhead.com/item=65891

This makes me fucking happy to be an alchemist.

Now I just need 24k

It makes me sad to not be...but then I realize I've never had more than 8k gold so getting to 24 ain't gonna happen anyways! :D

[Hawkzombie]

Ok, because I'm lazy and don't feel like going back through the thread again...

Everyone is pretty much on Proudmore for Alliance, right? Is there a guild set up or is everyone just kinda using that as the official unofficial CoG server? Garona has lost all appeal to me, but I don't have 25 to Xfer a character over...yet. Of course one of you wonderful people are more than welcome to help a guy out :D

I dunno...I just need a change of pace. And the guild I'm in is practically dead. Of course like a moron I donated like 3k worth of gold in the 2 months I've been a member...wonder if I can get it back...

[Ghostbear]

A few people are playing on Proudmoore, its not a CoG guild, but if people plan on sticking around I can ask for invites to my current guild.

[Squidbot]

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[Hawkzombie]

A few people are playing on Proudmoore, its not a CoG guild, but if people plan on sticking around I can ask for invites to my current guild.

Sweet. I might roll an alt there to get a feel for the place.

[Matthias]

I'll be picking up my game card tomorrow and rolling on Proudmore as well. I probably won't play much further than the 60 days because I'm taking 19 hours next semester, but I'll be pretty active during that time. Hawk, what race/class will you be playing? We should power team. I'm looking to hit 80 as quickly as possible; I always stalled at around 35 back in the old days, but leveling is so much faster nowadays, so I'd like to hit it and actually see what late game is like (I'm not going to lay down $40 for end game content unless I hit 80 really quickly). It's funny to hear people complain about druids being slow to level when I hit level 15 on my demo account in about 10 hours.

[Hawkzombie]

I have no clue what I'd roll...I was gonna use my RAF thing I have set up to get to 60 ASAP.

Probably a priest, since I know them inside and out :p

[Stoke]

I'll be picking up my game card tomorrow and rolling on Proudmore as well. I probably won't play much further than the 60 days because I'm taking 19 hours next semester, but I'll be pretty active during that time. Hawk, what race/class will you be playing? We should power team. I'm looking to hit 80 as quickly as possible; I always stalled at around 35 back in the old days, but leveling is so much faster nowadays, so I'd like to hit it and actually see what late game is like (I'm not going to lay down $40 for end game content unless I hit 80 really quickly). It's funny to hear people complain about druids being slow to level when I hit level 15 on my demo account in about 10 hours.

Druids slow to level? Maybe if you ban the use of spells but I can't see anything else that could slow them down. :p

[SilentScreams]

Pre-Cata Druid was easily the quickest class I've ever levelled. It dragged up until you got cat form at level 20, but after that you could just kill stuff non-stop. I never had to buy food or water ever again after level 20.
I can't see it being any more difficult now, since they get cat form really early and they even get Mangle at level 10 if they go Feral.

[Stoke]

Blizzard is now giving out 10 day free trials of Cataclysm (http://us.battle.net/en/info/cataclysm-trial). So if you haven't gotten sucked into making a Worgen/Goblin yet...you will be.

[ShivaX]

I have to say... I'm really not enjoying WoW.

I missed WotLK, am playing catch up and my old guild broke up and scattered to the winds whle I was away.

The gameplay just isn't that fun to me at this point and going through Northrend is dull and slow. Not to mention completely empty.

Blah. I should've never come back I guess.

[Ghostbear]

I am considering moving back to Garona, I joined Proudmoore to hang with a friend who hasn't logged on in weeks.

Edit: and its done. I apologize to those of you that signed up on proudmoore, but it was kinda silly to stay after the main reason I switched over wasn't there anymore.

[Matthias]

I am considering moving back to Garona, I joined Proudmoore to hang with a friend who hasn't logged on in weeks.

Edit: and its done. I apologize to those of you that signed up on proudmoore, but it was kinda silly to stay after the main reason I switched over wasn't there anymore.

How's the population on Garona? I did roll on Proudmoore (Soultinker, gnome warlock), but I'm only level 9, so there's nothing really keeping me anywhere.

[Hawkzombie]

People have said the trolls are out in force on Garona, hence why they simply didn't want to stay...and I tried to make a guild but it just got kinda lost among the dozens of other upstarts. I found a very decently populated guild, <The Gathering Storm> (I like the name too) and it's got a good mix of all types and is one of those 'casual raiding' guilds where they're gonna do their best to raid, but not be driven solely by they. It's also leveling rather quickly for guild levels as well. it's about 1 million off level 4.

So I guess I'm gonna stay. If anyone wants a guild there, hit me up. Still there and still Disinfection :p

[rein]

My Hunter got a Strand Crawler (http://warcraftpets.com/wow.pets/aquatic/miscellaneous/strand_crawler.asp) companion from the Org fishing daily quest this morning. I wish it had been one of the other characters only because I already have Spanky (pet monkey) in tow every where I go. Still, cool to get one at level 15. :)

[rein]

I would never advocate a game to turn down the experience gains but damn. I spent an hour or two yesterday leveling herbalism and jumped from level 20 to 21 just gathering and the Org daily quest. I went to Thousand Needles and while I got my butt handed to me a couple of times when I got a little close to mobs I made over 500 gold and a level for swimming around in seal form. It has me wondering if a character could be leveled by doing nothing but gathering and daily quest. I think it would be pretty easy to get to upper twenties but I'm not sure when it gets higher than that.

[c0m3d14n]

I would never advocate a game to turn down the experience gains but damn. I spent an hour or two yesterday leveling herbalism and jumped from level 20 to 21 just gathering and the Org daily quest. I went to Thousand Needles and while I got my butt handed to me a couple of times when I got a little close to mobs I made over 500 gold and a level for swimming around in seal form. It has me wondering if a character could be leveled by doing nothing but gathering and daily quest. I think it would be pretty easy to get to upper twenties but I'm not sure when it gets higher than that.

when i first moved to mount hyjal, i discovered a, i guess, buggy section with mining nodes popping up like crazy. (sadly its back to normal now ^^)
i farmed around 25 stacks of obsidium ore in close to 2 hours, maxed my mining skill and made approximately 1/4 of level 81.
so yes, i guess you can level by farming, even at high levels.

[Exodus]

Does anyone know a good encounter/raid strategy site?

I used to use boskillers or whatever it was called but now it just seems to be a gold farmer site.

[Ink Asylum]

I've heard TankSpot (http://www.tankspot.com/) is pretty good. They post a lot of vids and have robust forums.

WoWwiki generally has the latest strategies on the encounter's page, and WoWhead does as well.

[J Arcane]

WoWWiki is deprecated. It's still up, for some dumb reason, but it's not really being updated anymore because most of the editors decided Wikia sucks (and as owner of a Wikia site, I don't disagree).

WoWpedia is the new venture there, and it seems to be far better updated, but it's still not really caught up very well with the expansion in some categories.

[Widgetcraft]

Back when I was raiding I always used Tankspot. Their videos are invaluable for learning new fights.

[Hawkzombie]

I got to 83-85 doing two dungeons Wrath and BC dailies, and Archaeology. Surprised the hell out of me how quickly it went.

[rein]

I just harvested a gray herb node and noticed I still got the same exp for it that I was getting at green. My only concern was moving to higher level zones to harvest and not being able to harvest because of mobs or out harvesting a zone before reaching the next level requirement to upgrade the skill. If gray nodes give exp then it should be pretty easy to level a character doing nothing but gathering professions. It would take a while and would most likely be boring as heck but it looks like it can be done. It's tempting to create a new character and give it a shot just for the heck of it.

[Karak]

Help needed:!!
What level should my items be in comparison to me? I am level 17, should they be 17? Should I enchant every single one as some are missing enchantments. As a note, I would have to buy enchantments as I can't. I do make sure to upgrade the armor with leatherworking.

By the way, Troll Shaman. Sorry.

[Hawkzombie]

Help needed:!!
What level should my items be in comparison to me? I am level 17, should they be 17? Should I enchant every single one as some are missing enchantments. As a note, I would have to buy enchantments as I can't. I do make sure to upgrade the armor with leatherworking.

By the way, Troll Shaman. Sorry.

Honestly? At the lower levels it really doesn't matter too much. if you have the money to burn go ahead and enchant or upgrade via the AH...but really, you run dungeons and do quests, the gear will come.

And I thought you were gonna roll on Garona, you bastard :p

[Troggles]

Don't worry about your gear until you're 85. It's a waste of time, effort, and gold to try to min/max while leveling. With just quest rewards you can level without any real effort.

[Stoke]

Help needed:!!
What level should my items be in comparison to me? I am level 17, should they be 17? Should I enchant every single one as some are missing enchantments. As a note, I would have to buy enchantments as I can't. I do make sure to upgrade the armor with leatherworking.

By the way, Troll Shaman. Sorry.

At level 17 don't even worry about it. You're replacing gear through quests/dungeons so fast in the early levels just wear the best you have.

At your level it's probably going to be lower than your true level but it will start to catch up and eventually pass you towards the later part of the game.

[Karak]

Honestly? At the lower levels it really doesn't matter too much. if you have the money to burn go ahead and enchant or upgrade via the AH...but really, you run dungeons and do quests, the gear will come.

And I thought you were gonna roll on Garona, you bastard :p

Oh I can do that as well sir. Basically I have been secretly boning up on playing so I don't slow you down and have some idea of what the fuck to do in the game.

I DESPISE slowing people up or not understanding my role in a game so I have been running around doing quests and trying to figure out what works so that way I can switch and have someone somewhat powerful.

Lets be honest...your talking to the guy who won a good deal of battles last night by the skin of his teeth because he forgot and left his fishing pole equipped and not his weapon.

Its a fucking mess.

Thanks all for the info. Seems like everyone is in agreement as to what I should do.

[Ink Asylum]

If you're not a twink and not getting your ass handed to you by quest or dungeon mobs you shouldn't have to even think about gear outside of quest rewards and drops until you're 80+.

[Widgetcraft]

Don't enchant gear until you're at level cap, unless they're heirlooms (which you won't have until you have a character at level cap). It's a waste of money, which you're going to need to buy mount training at lvl 20, lvl 40, lvl 60, and the big one at lvl 70.

[Karak]

If you're not a twink and not getting your ass handed to you by quest or dungeon mobs you shouldn't have to even think about gear outside of quest rewards and drops until you're 80+.

Hahahahaha. I had to look up twink. I would say I have a drive to do that kind of thing, as I do want to get rare items but I am usually too busy fighting randomly lower level monsters because...well because I want to fight stuff:)

[Ink Asylum]

Hahahahaha. I had to look up twink. I would say I have a drive to do that kind of thing, as I do want to get rare items but I am usually too busy fighting randomly lower level monsters because...well because I want to fight stuff:)

It does have a particularly unique definition in WoW, and a completely different one elsewhere. :)

[rein]

There must be something about being level 15 and getting the Strand Crawler pet doing the fishing daily. My shaman now is the proud owner of one too.

[UWCrash]

I don't know if it is just me or if there is something going on but the Tauren miss rate seems to be much higher than both the Troll and Worgen druids I've rolled. That is for both spells and melee.

It's in your head. The only racial that affects hit rate is the Draenei "Heroic Presence", which gives them a 1% buff to hit with both spells and attacks. Otherwise a few races have expertise buffs (Orc "Axe Specialization", Dwarven "Mace Specialization", etc), but none of these will affect spell hit or attacks while in feral forms.

[roboninja]

Karak, as others have said, you should be fine with quest rewards. The only thing I would caution is that melee characters might want to keep an eye on their weapon(s); they are much more important than any other item type. I will often grab a new weapon off the AH, but I never overpay.

[evilgoodwin]

Heh, for some reason, I never got another useful set of gloves for my paladin after WC until level 45 or so. I logged on to see where he needed to be after Cata came out, and noticed his gloves were level 22. They were blue, though, so it wasn't too horrible. But still.

[J Arcane]

Miss rate in general seems to be pretty broken for melee classes right now.

I had a fight on my Worgen warrior where I actually DIED because I literally did not hit with a single attack through a whole combat.

[Karak]

Karak, as others have said, you should be fine with quest rewards. The only thing I would caution is that melee characters might want to keep an eye on their weapon(s); they are much more important than any other item type. I will often grab a new weapon off the AH, but I never overpay.

Thanks. That is indeed what I am. And have been looking at my weapon and feeling that I am really in need of an upgrade. I will keep that in mind. Also I keep getting incredible chainmail drops. To bad the fucker can't use them until forever:(

[bstiff]

Anyone know if the defending the rift quest is broken? I accept and talk to the guy to start it, fade out and back in on an empty cavern where I can't move and there are no npcs. All I hear is beeping. If I drop it log out and back in, everything is back to normal.

[Squidbot]

Yes, it's very broken. It can work when it's in the mood, I have managed to complete it on my Shaman, but it took many attempts.

[Ink Asylum]

I lucked out and completed it first try, but I crashed out at the beginning, then had to wait on the boat for about ten minutes before something happened.

[roboninja]

Man, farming mithril in Thousand Needles is lucrative. Barely any enemies on the sea floor, so it makes getting around easy. Combine that with the awesome helmet and rocket-fins supplied by the Goblins, and the fact your mount moves at full speed once on the seabed...got over 150 mithril (with a couple of stacks of gold and iron) in under an hour.

[Exodus]

It's all about true gold transmutes.

[rein]

I seem to have outgrown my current quest with my hunter. I went to Azshara at half way into level 16 first but was gray there so I made my way to the barrens. I did about half the quests at cross roads before most in my quest log grayed out. So, do I continue with my gray quests or just move on to another area?

[Stoke]

I seem to have outgrown my current quest with my hunter. I went to Azshara at half way into level 16 first but was gray there so I made my way to the barrens. I did about half the quests at cross roads before most in my quest log grayed out. So, do I continue with my gray quests or just move on to another area?

Keep moving. Go to a zone you're barely able to handle, you'll be able to complete the quests before they grey then.

[Matthias]

Alright, one more call for people on Proudmoore- it's getting pretty lonely running everything alone. People don't seem to even want to group for quests; they're much more content to run up and pull steal the bosses right as you pull the guards at his door.

I'm a level 29-near-30 warlock, Soultinker. Find me next time you're on. I've yet to be on at the same time as Hawk, so I have no idea who's active from here. Otherwise, I'm open to rolling on another server where people are actively playing.

[J Arcane]

You guys really need to just roll on a decent RP server. The douchebag factor, while never non-existant, is at least better than the Normal servers that've been staked out as potential CoG territory thus far.

[Matthias]

You guys really need to just roll on a decent RP server. The douchebag factor, while never non-existant, is at least better than the Normal servers that've been staked out as potential CoG territory thus far.

I'd love to roll RP- I tried one of the low pop ones while i was using my 10 day trial, and unfortunately, the douche factor was pretty high there too. Any you recommend? Do you still play?

[J Arcane]

I'd love to roll RP- I tried one of the low pop ones while i was using my 10 day trial, and unfortunately, the douche factor was pretty high there too. Any you recommend? Do you still play?
I play on Kirin Tor. I'm quite well established there on Horde side, as that's where the RPGnet guild is, and while I don't post there, I know enough folks there from way way back that the door is always open to me.

They have a guild on the Alliance side as well, but I've never rolled with them much, at least not since way back in early vanilla. Which has always been kind of a bummer because I do like Alliance, my old Warlock I made with my RL friends' guild was Human, but they're all gone now.

I've tried a couple times to go back to my Alliance 'lock, or roll fresh on a new server for when I'm in the mood to switch factions or to play with CoG, but it never seems to work out.

[Stoke]

I'm still active on Proudemoore, but I'll be away from my computer for the next week while on holiday. Twould be nice if there was an official cog server though. We needed cog before wow came along. :p

[IIntrude]

I just got my 2nd toon to 85, giving me a Resto Shammy and a Assassination Rogue. My Shman is geared and ready for our guilds first raid which we are organizing. My Rogue is running 85s regulars and gaining rep. Contemplating who I should bring up next.

[Matthias]

Stoke, I'll be playing for the next several weeks; what's your SN?

IIntrude: You should bring up something to complement an alliance warlock, of course :) Something tanky would be nice. I'll probably be rolling a shaman or druid soon too, if someone wants to pick a different server to be on.

Anyway, I fully agree that CoG should have an official server and guild; we're a gaming-centric website, let's do more clan stuff.

[J Arcane]

Also, the 1 Death Knight per server rule is bullshit.

I wanna make a Worgen DK damnit, but I can't on my server because my second main is a DK.

[Ghostbear]

You guys are more than welcome to join me on Garona, honestly I should never have left, but I got convinced by some friends at work who quit a month after I transferred. Any of you would be welcome in my guild. My main characters are Wiam and Llandra. in Clan Silver Beard.

I'm also staying on this server for the duration of my play in this game. It costs too damn much to be jumping around. :P

[Matthias]

I just might take you up on that, although I also want to keep my lock/avoid paying to move him over, so I'll probably also be active on Proudmoore. Is your guild leveling/newb friendly? Mine doesn't seem to be, in that no one seems interested in running lowbie dungeons even though we have many low members.

[anakin876]

I just might take you up on that, although I also want to keep my lock/avoid paying to move him over, so I'll probably also be active on Proudmoore. Is your guild leveling/newb friendly? Mine doesn't seem to be, in that no one seems interested in running lowbie dungeons even though we have many low members.

I've heard you can gain guild rep by running dungeons with 4 guild members. That might be a way to entice them into coming With you

[MrBibbz]

I just installed the new expansion.. during my 14 week stay in Kentucky I'll probably be seeking WoW as my escape from tank manuals and PT so I'll probably look you guys up if I don't end up linking up with buddies from BCT.

[Widgetcraft]

You're coming to Kentucky? Prepare to play A LOT of WoW, because there isn't shit to do here outside of that.

[bstiff]

Finally tamed Loque'nahak after 2 years of intermittent searching. Figured Id log on and check while drinking my coffee this morning. I was flying around not expecting to find anything yet again when I came over a hill on the east side of sholozar and ran right into him. Fortunately the only other person in the zone was a 70 something warrior on the other side but still was nerve racking until I finished taming him.

[Hawkzombie]

If anyone is interested I'm also on Garona...dunno if Ghost Bear's Guild is his own or not, but I'm in <The Gathering Storm> and it seems pretty nice. If you ignore trade chat, the server is actually a pretty good one. In the dailies there is hardly any ninja'ing and even when I was playing when Cata came out, people were hardly dicks on purpose (mob-tagging, stealing nodes, etc).

So yeah, few options to play together there at least :D

[Ghostbear]

I just might take you up on that, although I also want to keep my lock/avoid paying to move him over, so I'll probably also be active on Proudmoore. Is your guild leveling/newb friendly? Mine doesn't seem to be, in that no one seems interested in running lowbie dungeons even though we have many low members.

Yeah, we don't care what level you are, and leveling the guild is something we are having fun with.

[Stoke]

Stoke, I'll be playing for the next several weeks; what's your SN?

IIntrude: You should bring up something to complement an alliance warlock, of course :) Something tanky would be nice. I'll probably be rolling a shaman or druid soon too, if someone wants to pick a different server to be on.

Anyway, I fully agree that CoG should have an official server and guild; we're a gaming-centric website, let's do more clan stuff.

I'm usually on Stokely, Stoke, or Matroshka. Stokely is my current main at level 62 and the rest are scattered below 15. I keep deleting them and remaking new classes to test things out.

I checked on Garona and "Stoke" is unavailable so that's a no go for me. :p

[IIntrude]

I moved from Alleria to Zul'Jin. I figured that based on past experiences a cohesive CoG Guild prolly wasn't gonna happen. So i just researched servers and I am so glad I chose Zul'Jin. Great population, always active.

My clan, Clan of the Bear Man Pig is nearly lvl 7 and we are prepping for our first raid this or next week. As for my 3rd 85, I have chosen to bring up my 80 Bear Druid. That will give me a nice trifecta, heals, dps, tank.

If anyone is on Zul'Jin and is looking for a very active guild, let me know.

[Matthias]

How exactly does one research servers? I wanted to do so, but had no idea where good sources of info would be.

[IIntrude]

I used http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php, I also spent time on each servers forums. After narrowing down the choices I made some lvl 1s on each possible server and spent a while on each, watching the AH, asking Noob questions in /2 to see the population's responses. It took a good few weeks to make the decision, and it is the best one I have made in a long time. It reinvigorated my WoW appreciation.

[Iron Past]

Yeah, we don't care what level you are, and leveling the guild is something we are having fun with.

I was actually just going to ask about a CoG server and guild that would be newb friendly. Just grabbed Cataclysm and previously haven't played for a whole lot of time, so I'm looking where to start up a new character. If your guild would be cool with someone who just wants to have fun and won't make some kind of attendance requirement, could you shoot me the info?

[Matthias]

Yeah, I could use the info as well, once I start playing my pally in earnest. In the meantime, anyone is more than welcome to join me on Proudmoore as well, my 32 warlock is too much fun to abandon.

[Iron Past]

For whatever reason, when this happened it made me laugh and I had to take a screen:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2mct1du.jpg

[diablopath]

You guys are more than welcome to join me on Garona, honestly I should never have left, but I got convinced by some friends at work who quit a month after I transferred. Any of you would be welcome in my guild. My main characters are Wiam and Llandra. in Clan Silver Beard.

I'm also staying on this server for the duration of my play in this game. It costs too damn much to be jumping around. :P

I'm sure it's been answered already....but is that Alliance or Horde? I've got a 60something nelf Druid on Garona that I love. I hate all of the Horde Druid designs, so yeah.

[Camel]

I've finally decided to level up an Alliance character, so just let me know who to contact from your guild, Ghostbear!

[Ghostbear]

I'm sure it's been answered already....but is that Alliance or Horde? I've got a 60something nelf Druid on Garona that I love. I hate all of the Horde Druid designs, so yeah.

I've finally decided to level up an Alliance character, so just let me know who to contact from your guild, Ghostbear!

Alliance, and you may send a message to either one of my main characters, Wiam or Llandra

[Squidbot]

You Maniacs! You blew it up!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/linvuiet/WoW/WoWScrnShot_010411_220912.jpg

[Exodus]

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
General
Many tooltips have been updated to reflect any changes made via recent hotfixes.
The guild reward Armadillo Pup now requires revered faction instead of exalted.

PvP
Arenas
Bloodlust, Heroism, Time Warp and Ancient Hysteria can no longer be cast while in Arenas.

Battlegrounds
The Battle for Gilneas
The time it takes to capture a flag has been reduced to 5 seconds, down from 8.

Strand of the Ancients
The damage done by Antipersonnel Cannons has been doubled.
The missile speed of Rocket Blast (Antipersonnel Cannons) has been increased by roughly 50%.
Some Antipersonnel Cannons could shoot the platform they were spawned on. These spawn locations have been fixed.
The Battleground Demolisher no longer has two additional seats and now only has room for the driver.
A PvP duration flag has been added to Battleground Demolishers. This should make it so crowd control effects cast on unmanned demolishers does not last an extended amount of time.
There should no longer be a discrepancy in time when the Battleground Demolishers spawn at the start of each round.
The Battleground Demolishers spawned on the docks no longer despawn when the north graveyard is taken by the offense.
Massive Seaforium Charges should now be useable in rated Battleground matches.
The duration of the Teleport debuff has been lowered to 10 seconds, down from 20.
The radius of the Seaforium Blast has been lowered to 10 yards, down from 20.

Races
The draenei racial trait Gift of the Naaru now heals 20% of the target's health over 15 seconds, rather than a scaling value.
The dwarven racial trait Stoneform now reduces all damage taken by 10%, rather than increasing armor by 10%. It also increases the dwarf's size when used.
The gnomish racial trait Escape Artist now has a 1.5-minute cooldown, down from 1.75.
The human racial trait Every Man for Himself has been reverted back to a 2-minute cooldown, down from 3 minutes.
The night elf racial trait Shadowmeld can now be used while shapeshifted.
The tauren racial trait War Stomp can now be used while shapeshifted.
The worgen racial trait Darkflight now has a 2-minute cooldown, down from 3, and is no longer on the global cooldown. In addition, the movement speed bonus now stacks with existing bonuses, but cannot be activated while Sprint or Dash is active (and they cannot be activated while Darkflight is active).

Death Knight (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Icebound Fortitude now breaks stuns when used, in addition to providing immunity to them.
Necrotic Strike's absorption effect is now reduced by the target's resilience.

Talent Specializations
Blood
Crimson Scourge has been redesigned slightly. Instead of a 50/100% chance to make the next Blood Boil free when Plague Strike is used on a target with Blood Plague, the talent now gives a 5/10% chance to provide a free Blood Boil when the death knight lands any melee attack on a Blood Plagued target.
Will of the Necropolis no longer refunds a Blood Rune when it resets Rune Tap's cooldown. Instead it makes the next Rune Tap free while Will of the Necropolis is active.

Frost
Howling Blast now deals 40% less damage to all targets other than the primary target of the spell.
Might of the Frozen Wastes now also increases all melee damage by 4/8/12% while wielding a two-handed weapon.

Unholy
Desecration is now also triggered by Necrotic Strike.
Runic Corruption procs while the aura is already active now add 3 seconds to the existing aura duration, instead of simply refreshing/overwriting the existing aura.
Unholy Might (passive) has been reduced to a 5% Strength increase, down from 10%.

Glyphs
Glyph of Death's Embrace no longer refunds Runic Power when self-healing via Lichborne.

Druid (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Barkskin is no longer dispellable.
Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3.
Lacerate damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
Mangle (Bear Form) weapon damage (at level 80+) has been reduced to 235%, down from 300%.
Mangle (Cat Form) weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 460%, up from 360%.
Maul damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
Mount Up: This guild perk now applies to Flight Form and Swift Flight Form as well.
Nourish is now trained at level 8, down from level 78.
Omen of Clarity can no longer trigger from helpful spells (aka heals), unless the Restoration talent Malfurion's Gift is chosen.
Rake damage has been reduced by 10%.
Rejuvenation is now trained at level 3, down from level 8. In addition, its mana cost has been reduced from 26% to 16%.
Rip damage has been reduced by 10%.
Shred weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 450%, up from 350%.

Talent Specializations
Balance
The Shooting Stars buff duration has been increased to 12 seconds, up from 8 seconds.
Wild Mushroom is now instant cast, down from 0.5 seconds. In addition, the radius of detonation has been increased to 6 yards, up from 3, and damage done increased by 15%.

Feral
Berserk (instant Mangle proc) now has a new Spell Alert identifier. In addition, Berserk no longer breaks Fear or makes the druid immune to Fear.
Pulverize weapon damage percent has been reduced to 80%, down from 100%.

Restoration
Empowered Touch now also affects Regrowth.
Nature's Bounty no longer affects Swiftmend, but now has a new effect. When the druid has Rejuvenation on 3 or more targets, the cast time of Nourish is reduced by 10/20/30%.

Glyphs
Glyph of Regrowth now causes the heal-over-time effect to refresh itself on targets at or below 50% health, up from 25%.
Glyph of Wrath now increases damage done by Wrath by 10% and no longer requires Insect Swarm on the target.

Hunter (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Aimed Shot! weapon damage has been increased to 200%.
Aspect of the Wild, Aspect of the Hawk, and Aspect of the Fox can now be cast while mounted.
Deterrence now provides 100% chance for melee attacks to miss instead of 100% parry chance. This means that attacks that cannot be parried, notably some rogue abilities, can now be prevented by Deterrence, and the hunter will gain the benefit of Deterrence even if disarmed.
Dust Cloud's cooldown and duration have been modified to make it closer aligned with Tailspin (same effect, different pet).
Kill Command's damage has been increased by 20%.
Kill Shot's attack power scaling has been increased by 50%.
Master's Call now has a 35-second cooldown, down from 1 minute. In addition, the visual effect is more obvious.

Talent Specializations
Marksmanship
Chimera Shot's attack power scaling has been increased by 20%.

Survival
Into the Wilderness (passive) has been reduced to a 10% Agility increase, down from 15%.

Pets
Pets now have 70% of the master's armor, rather than a different value based on which type of pet they are.
Shale Spiders now correctly have a special ability (Web Wrap).
Bad Manner (monkey) now properly breaks from damage.

Mage (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Flame Orb now ignores critters.
The mana costs of Arcane Brilliance and Dalaran Brilliance have been reduced by approximately 16%, making them roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
Ring of Frost: Radius shrunk to 8 yards, and inner "safe" radius is now 4.7 yards (exactly matching graphic). Dispelling the effect of Ring of Frost will now make the target immune to being refrozen for 3 seconds. If a second Ring of Frost is cast by the same mage while the first is still active (via Cold Snap), the first will now disappear and cease functioning.

Bug Fixes
Ring of Frost can now be cast, and works properly, on transports (this includes elevators, trapdoors, etc.).

Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
The mana costs of Blessing of Might and Blessing of Kings have been increased by approximately 217%, making them roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
Crusader Strike weapon damage percent has been increased to 135%, up from 115%.
Divine Plea now lasts for 9 seconds, down from 15. It grants 4% mana per tick, instead of 2%, for a total of 12% mana, up from 10%.

Talent Specializations
Retribution
Divine Purpose: The chance for applicable abilities to generate Holy Power has been reduced to 7/15%, down from 20/40%, but instead of generating 1 Holy Power, the next applicable ability used consumes no Holy Power and acts as if the paladin has 3 Holy Power.
Hand of Light (Mastery): A percentage of the damage done by Templar's Verdict, Crusader Strike, and Divine Storm is done as additional Holy damage.
Repentance is no longer broken from damage done by Censure (Seal of Truth).

Glyphs
Glyph of Divine Plea now adds 6% mana, for a total of 18% over 9 seconds.

Priest (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
The duration of Levitate has been increased to 10 minutes, up from 2.
The mana cost of Power Word: Fortitude has been reduced by approximately 68%, making it roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.
The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31%, but its effect has been increased by 208%.
The mana cost of Renew has been reduced by 24%.
The mana cost of Shadow Protection has been reduced by approximately 65%, making it roughly equal to the cost of Mark of the Wild.

Talent Specializations
Discipline
Focused Will now procs when the priest is critically hit, in addition to its current effect.
Improved Power Word: Shield now also increases the amount absorbed by an additional 15/30% when cast on oneself.
Pain Suppression is no longer dispellable.

Holy
Blessed Resilience will now proc when the priest is critically hit, in addition to its current effect.
Chakra states now last 1 minute, up from 30 seconds.
Desperate Prayer now heals the priest for 30% of their total health, up from a very subpar value.
Holy Concentration now increases the amount of mana regeneration from Spirit while in combat by an additional 15/30%, down from 20/40%.
Holy Word: Chastise now has a 30-second cooldown, up from 25. In addition, it properly breaks from damage.
Lightwell's health has been increased by 50% (for PvP purposes).
Serendipity now has Spell Alert and Floating Combat Text feedback support.
Surge of Light can now also proc from Flash Heal and Greater Heal, and can now also critically hit.

Glyphs
Glyph of Mind Flay no longer requires Shadow Word: Pain to be on the target.
Glyph of Pain Suppression has been renamed Glyph of Desperation and now allows Guardian Spirit to be cast while stunned, in addition to Pain Suppression.
Glyph of Psychic Horror now reduces the cooldown of Psychic Horror by 30 seconds, down from 60.
Glyph of Spirit of Redemption has been converted into Glyph of Prayer of Mending, which increases the healing done by the first charge of Prayer of Mending by 60%.

Rogue (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Combat Readiness now lasts for 20 seconds, down from 30 seconds, but the Combat Insight stacking buff lasts 10 seconds, up from 6 seconds.
Smoke Bomb now lasts for 5 seconds, down from 10 seconds.

Talent Specializations
Combat
Main Gauche (Mastery) now provides a chance to deal an attack for 75% of main-hand damage. This attack can trigger Combat Potency.
Revealing Strike now increases finisher effectiveness by 35% (45% glyphed), up from 20% (30% glyphed).

Warlock (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Curse of Exhaustion now reduces movement speed by 30%, down from 50%.
Drain Mana has been removed from the game.

Talent Specializations
Affliction
Unstable Affliction's silence effect has been reduced to 3 seconds, down from 5.

Demonology
Demonic Rebirth now highlights summoning spells when active.
Inferno no longer increases the radius of Hellfire.

Destruction
Shadow and Flame can now proc from Incinerate in addition to Shadow Bolt.

Glyphs
Glyph of Soul Swap cooldown has been increased to 15 seconds, up from 10 seconds.

Warrior (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Charge now shares diminishing returns with stun effects.
Cleave damage has been reduced by 20%.
Heroic Strike damage has been reduced by 20%.

Talent Specializations
Arms
Juggernaut no longer increases the cooldown on Charge, but instead increases the duration of the Charge stun by 2 seconds. In addition, Charge is usable in all stances, however, the talent now causes Charge and Intercept to share a cooldown.
Lambs to the Slaughter: Instead of granting 10/20/30% damage to the next Mortal Strike, Overpower, or Execute, it now grants a 10% buff to any Mortal Strike, Overpower, Slam, or Execute that stacks 1/2/3 times.
War Academy no longer buffs Heroic Strike or Cleave. It now buffs Mortal Strike, Raging Blow, Devastate, Victory Rush and Slam.

Fury
Unshackled Fury (Mastery) now grants 5.6% benefit per mastery point, up from 4.7%.

Glyphs
Glyph of Rapid Charge has been changed from a 7% reduction to Charge's cooldown, to 1 second off of the cooldown. This change is primarily to clarify the exact cooldown reduction this glyph provides.

Professions
Cooking
Multiple spawn locations now exist for the Confectioner's Sugar (daily quest item) in Stormwind.

Items
Bell of Enraging Resonance can now trigger from any damage spell instead of only critical strike.
The Fury of Angerforge internal cooldown has been drastically reduced so this trinket will build up charges much faster.
Mandala of Stirring Patterns now grants Intellect instead of Mastery.
The PvP Priest 4-piece set bonus has been redesigned. When Power Word: Shield is cast on the priest, movement speed reduction effects are temporally suppressed for 4 seconds.

User Interface
For opening cinematics there is now a streaming option interface in the login screen for play-on-demand.
The Character Info window (C) now saves for each specialization how stat categories are ordered by players, as well as whether categories are expanded/collapsed.
Character movement speed is now displayed on the Character Info window (C) with all other stats.

Archaeology
There are now number displays on the summary page and dropdown menu.
Ready Flash has been added to the race icons.

Guild Interface
A View All button has been added to the profession display regardless of whether Show Offline Members is checked.
Online members can now be sorted to the top of the View Crafters list.
The guild reputation cap is now displayed in the tooltip.

Real ID & Chat
Real ID login notifications now include character and game icons.
Players can now right-click close a chat window tab even if it's not the current tab.
There is now an option to auto-pop whispers into a new tab.
Popped out whisper windows now show online/offline status messages.

Bug Fixes
Many bugs... handled them!

Quests & Creatures
Tol Barad Peninsula
A new achievement, Just Another Day in Tol Barad, has been added for completing all of the Tol Barad daily quests.
Crazed Guards now drop Rusty Rifles.
The spawn rate of Alliance and Horde Infantry for the quest "The Leftovers" has been increased.
The Magnetized Scrap Collector for the quest "Magnets, How Do They Work?" will now be correctly removed from players' bags upon completing the quest.
Both the Baradin's Wardens and Hellscream's Reach Commendations are now Bound to Account items.

Bug Fixes
Worgen now work properly in the Barbershop.

[Stoke]

Berserk (instant Mangle proc) now has a new Spell Alert identifier. In addition, Berserk no longer breaks Fear or makes the druid immune to Fear.

Damn, that was the best thing about it in my opinion.

[Hawkzombie]

The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31%, but its effect has been increased by 208%.

This right there makes Disc priests far more effective. 200k Health tanks and a bubble that absorbs 10k of dmg? Yeah, that is sure effective. Now my bubbles might last longer than a single hit.

[Exodus]

This right there makes Disc priests far more effective. 200k Health tanks and a bubble that absorbs 10k of dmg? Yeah, that is sure effective. Now my bubbles might last longer than a single hit.

Tru dat man. The way healing done in comparison to targets health is out of wack. We've got mobs that hit for 50k and a bubble that gets chewed through 5x over makes no sense whatsoever.

I really hope they look into paladin healing as well. Yes, we might not run out of mana in a fight where damage is controlled or only occurs periodically but we have absolutely no say in what to do after a constant AE spike.

[J Arcane]

My priest's bubble stopped being useful after about lvl30. I can only imagine how worthless it is at high levels.

[Ink Asylum]

It shows how little I know of tanking that I'm surprised Tauren haven't been able to War Stomp in bear form all this time.

I'll take that extra Kill Command damage. Yum!

[J Arcane]

I hated trying to tank as a bear. They're worthless. I hate doing it, and I hate having one as a tank.

Warriors 4 Life, yo. Death Knights and Paladins are acceptable though, I suppose. I like all the amount of AoE threat a DK can generate. I do have problems with that as a Warrior, Thunderclap always seemed to take longer to pop up than my stupid groups would wait for.

[Hawkzombie]

My priest's bubble stopped being useful after about lvl30. I can only imagine how worthless it is at high levels.

In Wrath, Disc priests were fucking coveted for ICC. At least on my server, simply because we'd spam our PW:S on everyone and take almost all the pressure off the raid heals. Especially for the LK fight.

And before the changes, the shields were mighty and actually stopped damage to a reasonable degree. Now I go OOM so quickly they've slowly become the last thing of my rotation. an 'OH SHIT' button, when they should be my #1 spell all the fucking time. This change will hopefully fix that. A lot.

And with Mastery, I expect to see shields that absorb something like 50k before popping.

Priests are my favorite class, and Discipline is my fave spec. But I feel worthless these days unless I spam Smite and have everyone in melee range in the grp. I actually heal BETTER that way than my old rotation of PW:S and XXXXX and penance.

There's something odd about that.

EDIT: And unless you're disc, the bubble really isn't anything special.

[J Arcane]

I am Disc. Been so from the beginning.

These days it's actually more efficient for levelling than Shadow. I kill a hair slower, but I never run out of mana. In Shadow I run out after two fights.

[roboninja]

I am Disc. Been so from the beginning.

These days it's actually more efficient for levelling than Shadow. I kill a hair slower, but I never run out of mana. In Shadow I run out after two fights.

I levelled a S-Priest right before the 4.0 patch, and had zero mana issues. I basically never drank. I really hope you are overstating this, as that character is still only level 74 :)

[Squidbot]

I agree with J on this one. My S-Priest just turned 74 today. At 72 I swapped to my disc spec, as Shadow was pissing me off.

[evilgoodwin]

As a warlock, I had forgotten I even HAD mana until I started fighting Cata mobs. Now I sometimes HAVE to use lifetap.

Still don't need water, as I can self-heal now every 30 seconds :)

[Exodus]

I didn't know shadow priests had it bad at all. From what I've seen they do insane amounts of damage. I could see a disc priest having high amounts of survivability to do some crazy stuff however but the damage output of s priests is very nice. Except when it comes to AE.

[Exodus]

And todays new PTR stuff.

General
All guild banners now reward bonus reputation in addition to honor and experience.

Dungeons & Raids
Level 85 players can now choose any normal dungeon via the Dungeon Finder. Choosing Random Dungeon will still not add these lower-level dungeons into the rotation.

The Vortex Pinnacle
The wind direction and fun coefficient of the Cyclones that appear in Heroic difficulty during the Altairus encounter have improved clarity.

PvP
Strand of the Ancients
The Teleporters on defense will now teleport players based on which line of gates have been destroyed, rather than directly behind that gate. For example, if a player clicks the Teleporter at the Blue gate when one of the beach gates has been destroyed, it will put the player behind the Red gate.

Classes
Paladin (Forums / Cataclysm Talent Calculator / Beta Skills/Talents)
Inquisition is no longer dispellable.
Rebuke can now be trained by all paladins at level 54. Existing characters will need to visit their trainer, even if they had talented Rebuke before.

Holy
Denounce now has a spell overlay.

Retribution
The Rebuke talent has been replaced with a new passive talent, Sacred Shield. Paladins who had Rebuke before will automatically have Sacred Shield. Sacred When reduced below 30% health, paladins gain the Sacred Shield effect. The Sacred Shield absorbs X damage and increases healing received by 20%. Lasts 15 seconds. This effect cannot occur more than once every 30 seconds. Undispellable.
Zealotry is no longer dispellable.

Bug Fixes
Word of Glory will no longer reset the swing timer.

Professions
Archaeology
Archaeology fragments now have a hard cap of 200 per race. Players will not be able to collect additional fragments until they complete artifacts to take them down below 200 fragments. Players with more than 200 fragments will not lose additional fragments in 4.0.6, but in a future patch we may remove any fragments above 200.

Jewelcrafting
Meta gems with the Chaotic and Relentless prefixes now have a requirement of 3 red gems.
New meta gems have been added: Agile Shadowspirit Diamond (Agility/3% critical damage), Reverberating Shadowspirit Diamond (Strength/3% critical damage), and Burning Shadowspirit Diamond (Intellect/3% critical damage). These new recipes are unbound and can drop from any Cataclysm creature. The new meta gems have a requirement of 3 red gems equipped.

Items
The cooldown on the Horde Battle Standard has been adjusted to 10 minutes to be consistent with the Alliance version.

User Interface
Players can now individually remove raid world markers.
The Reputation Pane now saves which reputation categories are expanded or collapsed.

Character Info Window
The Haste display on the Character Info window (C) now shows the total haste percentage, rather than only haste from haste rating.

Unit Frames
Predicted healing (previously only available for Raid Frames and raid-style Party Frames) has been added to the following unit frames: Player Frame, Party Frame, Target Frame, Focus Frame.

Addon Changes
Canceling buffs are only restricted during combat.
The direction of spell flyouts are set via attribute.
Console commands have been added to the login screens: ExportInterfaceFiles art, ExportInterfaceFiles code.

Quests & Creatures
Tol Barad Peninsula
Quest turn-in NPCs have been added to Baradin Base Camp and Hellscream's Reach in Tol Barad Peninsula for the Tol Barad bonus quests. This will allow players to turn in these quests if the original quest givers in Tol Barad are not available.
Kill credit for the Tol Barad bonus quest bosses will now be granted to players who have helped attack them, even if they are not in the same group. These bosses include Problim, Archmage Galus, Warden Silva, and Svarnos.
The Farson Keep Prisoner summoned for the quest "Walk A Mile In Their Shoes" will now only be visible to the player who summoned him.

[Zero]

That Sacred Shield would be really handy if I could find a healer that would heal me once I'm below 30%. Ugh. I haven't played since I realized that my pally would be worthless in Heroics.

[Shjinta]

That Sacred Shield would be really handy if I could find a healer that would heal me once I'm below 30%. Ugh. I haven't played since I realized that my pally would be worthless in Heroics.


I just finished leveling my paladin to 85. I'm waiting on those Mastery Changes for ret. My damage is just as pathetic as my Spriest. I shamans need some re balancing. My Enhance damage is disgusting for no heroic gear. I easily do 10k + on bosses.

Meanwhile I struggle to do 8k on my Priest and Paladin. Might level my hunter next so i can just spam Explosive shot and Cobra shot and do 20k dps.

[Zero]

I've gotten outdamaged by prot pallies every time I'm in a dungeon with one. I don't understand what's going on, I've done everything elitist jerks says as far as talents, secondary stat preference, gemming and reforging.

[Hawkzombie]

I barely top 6k DPS in dungeons as my shadow spec, but then I'm in greens and blues, and in full on healing gear.

[rein]

I tried leveling up a goblin rogue to be my bank alt. I was hoping it would stay below level 10 but I'm going to hit level 11 or so before I make it to Org. I have to say, I have no desire to play a rogue for real now. I know level 10 is no indication of high level skills but talk about boring so far. I might stick with my non playing level 70 as my bank alt but the name can be easily mis-typed not to mention it's lame.

[Hawkzombie]

Actually, here's a question I want some advice on...

I'm gonna level one of each class, because I'm insane. The Rogue, however, I'm debating keeping it PvP and making it a 44 or 49 twink. Why THAT level? I got the Flurry Axe (http://www.wowhead.com/item=871) to drop last night, and apparently it's BIS for OH with the right enchant.

Suggestions? Or should I just go for 85?

[Exodus]

Kinda surprised at what I'm hearing. My friend's an S. Priest and he never dips below 8k on heroics on trash pulls. Boss/Raid dps he hits the 10k easy. Ret's getting changes but ret can do 10k dps with the gear obtainable outside of raiding.

Pally's are still the best spot healers and I prefer them as tanks also.

I just finished off my warlock today but I don't know if I want to play him. I just don't have any fun with it.

Working on my S. Priest next I think and probably going to race change to Worg.

[roboninja]

I tried leveling up a goblin rogue to be my bank alt. I was hoping it would stay below level 10 but I'm going to hit level 11 or so before I make it to Org. I have to say, I have no desire to play a rogue for real now. I know level 10 is no indication of high level skills but talk about boring so far. I might stick with my non playing level 70 as my bank alt but the name can be easily mis-typed not to mention it's lame.

I am levelling a Goblin rogue now too. I hit level 65 today. Suffice to say I am having a different experience. :)

[rein]

I am levelling a Goblin rogue now too. I hit level 65 today. Suffice to say I am having a different experience. :)

Maybe I will save the rogue for when I get the drood addiction out of my system. I've decided to stick with two Horde druids for now leveling a Troll as balance and a Tauren as feral. The only problem is I leveled the Troll to 29 before switching and now I am completely lost on the rotation as a druid caster. I will get there over the next day or two I am sure.

I know I can dual spec but I figured I would save those slots for restoration. Besides, I'm having a lot of fun with the druid class. It has the "I've got an app for that" factor for most any PVE situation.

One thing I have never noticed that I noticed today trying to get the Tauren caught up was that the bonus for lifebloom gets kind of cheated with the additional 15pts to herbalism that Taurens get. I never knew that you do not acquire ranks until you hit the race bonus level and not the traditional herbalism level. For example, I didn't get my mastery in lifebloom until I hit 165 instead of the 150. Isn't that kind of a rip-off?

[ShivaX]

That Sacred Shield would be really handy if I could find a healer that would heal me once I'm below 30%. Ugh. I haven't played since I realized that my pally would be worthless in Heroics.

It would be even handier if it wasn't a Ret talent.

I'm not sure a paladin really needs another "bubble" of any sort, though as primarily Prot, the addition of Rebuke is extremely nice. Now I need to think of someplace to put it on my bars.

[Karak]

Haven't been leveling much at all. I think I found my calling though and the way I want to play. I made a Guild sponsored it with all my gold, made a ton of events and prize winning contents, and found just the right questions to make sure I get some cool cats in the Guild. We had a freaking blast, got some amazing people, had my laughs in chat. Friday was Dance off Night. With the winner getting some gold and a great weapon. We had a fucking blast and it was surprising to hear all of our super high level newcomers happy to be in a guild that was pleasant. I am not sure how bad it is out there but it seemed really bad.

We had half of the players in Booty Bay taking screen-shots as we found the craziest places to dance. Ya its nerdy, but that is far more the social fun element I was looking for. I think I went up 9 levels sat-sun from 40-49 on my Dwarf Paladin then left PVP when we got a couple screamers in the level. Some PVP some PVE.

[Hawkzombie]

Well, glad you're having fun with it Karak...was wondering what happened to you :p

[Karak]

Well, glad you're having fun with it Karak...was wondering what happened to you :p

Well I figured I don't have the time to make sure my character is perfect(so doing really well in PVP is out) though I have done ok.
I figured I don't have enough time to make sure I can do all the raiding (so getting amazing stuff is out...mostly).

So I farmed used the AH to make a boatload of money, made my own guild and they do the raiding and the PVP. I also do it but it also allows for a place, like CoG, to ask question to see what works and we have things like a "Sponsor a New Player" event 1 time a week were one high level person assist the new player with information, guiding and for forth. The member who helps the most gets help on one quest or Raid, or specific thing he needs of his choice. It works incredibly well to keep everyone enjoying each others company. The high level people get to help and go back to some places that they enjoy, the new people don't die every second, or miss out on something random like a flight patch, or forget to level up their skills.

And I just make money in the AH and die quickly in PVP:)

I do have a question for everyone here about PVP. Is there ways to get more honor points in PVP. Experience is easy obviously, but I want a PVP mount. After a couple games last night I had 400 honor points. I led the entire battleground in healing and in honor kills but didn't seem to get many points at all, even though we won.

I am a Dwarf Ret Paly level 40 if that helps.

[evilgoodwin]

I just finished off my warlock today but I don't know if I want to play him. I just don't have any fun with it.


What's your spec? I was getting burnt out on Affliction a while back, so I changed to Destro and have loved the burst damage I do.

Nowadays, I feel like I have to push too many buttons to kill ANYTHING at a reasonable pace :(

[Exodus]

What's your spec? I was getting burnt out on Affliction a while back, so I changed to Destro and have loved the burst damage I do.

Nowadays, I feel like I have to push too many buttons to kill ANYTHING at a reasonable pace :(

Yah that's pretty much it. I start off with curse of elements, soulfire, immolate, conflag, chaos bolt, dots, incinerate, incinerate, incinerate, conflag, soulburn(isnta cast certain spells), soulfire, incinerate, incinerate, chaos bolt, shadow flame if i'm close.

It's a lot of damned work! It's boring as hell where the only fun to be had is just watching how good your dps is. I have more fun healing and jumping around and stuff or tanking. I dunno if I'll ever be a dps person.

[evilgoodwin]

Yah that's pretty much it. I start off with curse of elements, soulfire, immolate, conflag, chaos bolt, dots, incinerate, incinerate, incinerate, conflag, soulburn(isnta cast certain spells), soulfire, incinerate, incinerate, chaos bolt, shadow flame if i'm close.

It's a lot of damned work! It's boring as hell where the only fun to be had is just watching how good your dps is. I have more fun healing and jumping around and stuff or tanking. I dunno if I'll ever be a dps person.

Even without CoE, I use Soul Fire, Immolate, Conflag, Bane of (whichever is appropriate, Corruption, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate, and then whatever is needed to keep the rotation up. And this is for single targets in a non-group setting, IE EVERY MOB.

I miss the days when I could endlessly chain things at my level with 3 buttons. Those days were called OCTOBER. :P

I guess I'll give Affliction a shot. Demo is fun, but I feel that it suffers from the opposite of Destro: Not enough buttons to push :)

Maybe there's just something severely wrong with me that I haven't been paying attention to...

[Exodus]

Even without CoE, I use Soul Fire, Immolate, Conflag, Bane of (whichever is appropriate, Corruption, Chaos Bolt, Incinerate, and then whatever is needed to keep the rotation up. And this is for single targets in a non-group setting, IE EVERY MOB.

I miss the days when I could endlessly chain things at my level with 3 buttons. Those days were called OCTOBER. :P

I guess I'll give Affliction a shot. Demo is fun, but I feel that it suffers from the opposite of Destro: Not enough buttons to push :)

Maybe there's just something severely wrong with me that I haven't been paying attention to...

Well, I've played a Ret Paladin and a Frost/Unholy DK. I'm not lazy by no means it's just that the idea of a rotation over and over is just plain boring. It's go through the priority list of spells/skills for every bloody target you are attacking, when they are about to die you assist or go to the next mob in the kill order and do it all over again.

That's why tanking and healing are much more interesting. Yes, watching health bars might be boring but I can run around and enjoy watching what's going on at the same time. As a tank, I control the main target and set the tone for the fight; THE BIG MOTHER FUCKING DRAGON IS IN MY FACE!

[evilgoodwin]

Well, I've played a Ret Paladin and a Frost/Unholy DK. I'm not lazy by no means it's just that the idea of a rotation over and over is just plain boring. It's go through the priority list of spells/skills for every bloody target you are attacking, when they are about to die you assist or go to the next mob in the kill order and do it all over again.

That's why tanking and healing are much more interesting. Yes, watching health bars might be boring but I can run around and enjoy watching what's going on at the same time. As a tank, I control the main target and set the tone for the fight; THE BIG MOTHER FUCKING DRAGON IS IN MY FACE!

I play mainly on my laptop, so I can watch TV while I grind. I pause if I'm in a dungeon, though.

Unfortunately, the laptop has decided to have random FPS drops (which it will then recover from and pretend never happened) that make input impossible (and it's not just WoW. The entire system becomes lagged and unresponsive).
As a result, DPS is really my only option as I'd hate to cause a wipe because the computer decided to start thinking about something else for no reason.

I'm trying to find the culprit, but no luck so far.

[J Arcane]

Since Cataclysm I can no longer run WoW at an acceptable performance level on my netbook, which has had me seriously considering another option, but I don't think I can get one cheap enough that'll still run it.

The M11x would be nice if I could get it on sale maybe, but retail is more than I can afford unless I do it on credit, which I probably can't, because mine is shit.

[Farsight]

I briefly weakened at the offer of a free trial, so tried to reactivate the account that Blizzard closed when their own insecure Battle.net got it hacked. Within 5 minutes, I started getting emails about my suspended account from spam sites (like worldofworcraft . com).

The interest in WoW passed, and now I'll probably skip Diablo as well. Playing a game on a service this poorly secured just isn't fun.

[J Arcane]

At this point I'm fairly convinced that there's internal security issues at Blizzard. It just doesn't make sense that information leaks out this readily.

[Karak]

Guys how many Honor points should a level 40-43 Paladin get in battlegrounds? The best I am ever getting is 20, most of the time 5-10 but I lead in both damage done and healing done many times by a couple thousand points but...it seems like getting honor points is almost impossible.

Any clues for what else to do to get more? After 5 days I have 500. And thats some straight ass hourly playing and leading a good deal of the time now.

[Matthias]

What server are you on, Karak?

[Narradisall]

I got an email that someone tried to hack my Bnet account this morning.

Haven't had a chance to check yet, although I'd be amused at someone going after my level 80 Priest,hunter,etc etc which I haven't played in about a year.

Ofc this will keep me off SC2 till I get it fixed too, damn them!

I wonder if I should go back for a month or so to try Cata....

[Karak]

What server are you on, Karak?

I can't remember I will have to check when I get home. Its an RP server though.

That matters? I didn't think honor points would be impacted by that...damn.

[Squidbot]

I got an email that someone tried to hack my Bnet account this morning.

Haven't had a chance to check yet, although I'd be amused at someone going after my level 80 Priest,hunter,etc etc which I haven't played in about a year.

Ofc this will keep me off SC2 till I get it fixed too, damn them!

I wonder if I should go back for a month or so to try Cata....

This is quite likely to be a well disguised phishing mail.

And Karak, no realm type does not affect honor gain.

[Exodus]

So many class note changes to the PTR that it's not even worth posting/updating anymore until they are finalized.

The gist of it is, is that it seems like a general rebalance nerf for everyone. I really don't know if I'm going to continue playing after I get my priest to 85.

Hmmm, I think actually being sick of the game already might be a good thing. There's just too many great games coming out this year to be shackled to this one. LBP2 in 5 days as of this post and shortly after dead space 2. Next month MvC2 and soon to follow arkham city.

And yes, I am distraught about the warlock planned nerf, that's fucking bullshit and half the reason I'm almost quitting. pwahahahaahahha.

[SilentScreams]

I got an email that someone tried to hack my Bnet account this morning.

Haven't had a chance to check yet, although I'd be amused at someone going after my level 80 Priest,hunter,etc etc which I haven't played in about a year.

Ofc this will keep me off SC2 till I get it fixed too, damn them!

I wonder if I should go back for a month or so to try Cata....

This is quite likely to be a well disguised phishing mail.

Yep. I get these emails all the time even when my subscription is inactive. They've never proven to be true.
I've been hacked twice, but I don't think I actually got an email about it either time it genuinely happened. I haven't been hacked since I got an authenticator. Best couple of quid I ever spent.

[Iron Past]

Yep. I get these emails all the time even when my subscription is inactive. They've never proven to be true.
I've been hacked twice, but I don't think I actually got an email about it either time it genuinely happened. I haven't been hacked since I got an authenticator. Best couple of quid I ever spent.

Or free if you get the app. I know there's one on iOS (the one I have), not sure about other platforms.

[Karak]

So does anyone here have a link then about the PVP and issues with the Honor system I posted so I can ask my question there? I am really trying to figure it out? Thanks if you do and thanks if you don't:)

[Narradisall]

Nah I checked and it was legit from blizzard.

Tried to log in Starcraft first to confirm it. Seems someone must have tried to hack my bent account so they shut it. You would have thought there would be a give away in that they would have had to try and activate it first and pay the subscription!

[Farsight]

You would have thought there would be a give away in that they would have had to try and activate it first and pay the subscription!

Or take the free trial and loot/sell your character...

[Narradisall]

Or take the free trial and loot/sell your character...

Ah, didn't think of that.

Tbh I could not care less about what happened to my WoW char. As I've tied my bnet to it though I need to protect my online library and my ability to play SC2 though!

I doubt I'll ever go back to WoW, maybe i'll try a cata free trial if one is knocking about at some point, be interesting to see what my character is like by then!

[Ink Asylum]

I suspended my WoW account today, though I'll probably hop back in sometime over the next few months. I completed all the quest areas, though not all of the dungeons. Then Christmas hit and a combination of titles picked up through Steam and a couple months of Gamefly are stealing all my gaming time for now. Once I get through a few of these titles I'll probably go back, but grinding dungeons isn't as appealing as fresh playthroughs of Amnesia, AssBro, etc.

[Zero]

AssBro,

I giggle everytime I type that into our point of sale here at work.

[SilentScreams]

http://www.pvponline.com/comics/pvp20101122.png

[Iron Past]

I doubt I'll ever go back to WoW, maybe i'll try a cata free trial if one is knocking about at some point, be interesting to see what my character is like by then!

If you're looking for one right now, send me a PM; I got two trial cards when I bought Cataclysm. And another two for SC2 of anyone wants those, for that matter.

[Stoke]

How long do the GM petitions usually take? My friend and I have been waiting the better part of 5 hours now and I'm reluctant to log off for fear of losing my spot in line but having WoW running in the background prevents me from running Just Cause 2 smoothly. There's only so much WoW I can take in a day. :p

[Hawkzombie]

How long do the GM petitions usually take? My friend and I have been waiting the better part of 5 hours now and I'm reluctant to log off for fear of losing my spot in line but having WoW running in the background prevents me from running Just Cause 2 smoothly. There's only so much WoW I can take in a day. :p

Sometimes a few days. And logging off doesn't remove you from your spot in line, just makes resolving it to your utmost satisfaction harder.

[Matthias]

Sometimes a few days. And logging off doesn't remove you from your spot in line, just makes resolving it to your utmost satisfaction harder.

Seconded, except for the part where being online helps resolve the problem at all. Both times I submitted problems, I was online when the GM saw it, and still got form letters basically saying "we don't consider that broken", even when later research showed it was a very clear bug. Needless to say, both incidents got very low marks in the GM surveys they ask you to take afterward.

[Narradisall]

If you're looking for one right now, send me a PM; I got two trial cards when I bought Cataclysm. And another two for SC2 of anyone wants those, for that matter.

Sure, I'm interested. Although Blizzard have still yet to activate my account. :(

[Iron Past]

Sure, I'm interested. Although Blizzard have still yet to activate my account. :(

Cool, I'll send you the code when I get home, so you can use it when everything gets right (or create a new account).

[Narradisall]

Well being hacked has managed to do something all the gizmos, talk and improvements haven't managed too..... get me to reinstall World of Warcraft!

Managed to log in and see if all my characters are still alive, and set up my authenticator to prevent stuff like this happening again. I may even check out Cata when I have some free time.

At least now I can play Starcraft II!

[Hawkzombie]

Well being hacked has managed to do something all the gizmos, talk and improvements haven't managed too..... get me to reinstall World of Warcraft!

Managed to log in and see if all my characters are still alive, and set up my authenticator to prevent stuff like this happening again. I may even check out Cata when I have some free time.

At least now I can play Starcraft II!

That is utterly hilarious.

And I can't believe you're still using that space duck avatar :p

[Narradisall]

That is utterly hilarious.

And I can't believe you're still using that space duck avatar :p

Don't laugh yet, I haven't finished installing. 3gig left and its been running nearly 24 hours. I must need faster tubes. Although it says I can play while it downloads the rest now.

I shall have to have a shiny new avatar soon....

[Narradisall]

Well, I managed a day and a halfs play before I got bored.

Played some of the high level quest chains with my Priest, and rolled a Worgan Mage.

The game has really come a long way, even since WotLK, but I just can't seem to get into it anymore. I think about having Castlevania, FO:NV etc sittting unplayed and all the other games and WoW just still seems so 'samey'.

Well, I've secure the account if I ever do go back, but I doubt it. Twas some fun, but I just can't seem to get into MMO's anymore.

[Exodus]

The high end instances are more punishing

[Narradisall]

I'd heard healers complaining it was really much tougher to heal.

Personally after less than a day, replacing most of the purple things I grinded a few weeks for with green stuff that was vastly superior (and more shitty looking) I sighed and though "The more things change, the more they stay the same!"

[Exodus]

I'd heard healers complaining it was really much tougher to heal.

Personally after less than a day, replacing most of the purple things I grinded a few weeks for with green stuff that was vastly superior (and more shitty looking) I sighed and though "The more things change, the more they stay the same!"

That's pretty much it. I mean if you expected the revolution of world of warcraft you will be sorely disappointed. I like however that I don't need 25 people to do end game raid content, I just need 9 people. That, I think is what is keeping me playing. It's easier to do 10ppl raids and that's really the MOST I was looking for.

That and I swore an oath that I won't quit until my warrior is dual wielding dual ashkandis.

[Narradisall]

That and I swore an oath that I won't quit until my warrior is dual wielding dual ashkandis.

Until the next expansion when the greens you get off the first trash quest better them. :p

[Hawkzombie]

Until the next expansion when the greens you get off the first trash quest better them. :p

You mean the first expansion :p (http://www.wowhead.com/item=19364/ashkandi-greatsword-of-the-brotherhood)

[Exodus]

You mean the first expansion :p (http://www.wowhead.com/item=19364/ashkandi-greatsword-of-the-brotherhood)

Nooo...This one! (http://www.wowhead.com/item=65003)

[Matthias]

Wow, that sword must've seen a lot of enchanting in the past few years...

[Narradisall]

Wow, that sword must've seen a lot of enchanting in the past few years...

In the next expansion, enchants are stackable. ;)

Maybe I've just been out the game too long, the idea of going back, getting all the items, only to have them become worthless by the next expansion seems.... stupid.

Hell, I swear my HP and Mana shot up just buy installing cata. Maybe its that I stopped playing at BC, then went back a bit in Sept 09 to play WotLK that I recall raiding when tanks were pushing 10k HP and they were the shit, now you have cloths pushing that 15 levels later.

[Hawkzombie]

In the next expansion, enchants are stackable. ;)

Maybe I've just been out the game too long, the idea of going back, getting all the items, only to have them become worthless by the next expansion seems.... stupid.

Hell, I swear my HP and Mana shot up just buy installing cata. Maybe its that I stopped playing at BC, then went back a bit in Sept 09 to play WotLK that I recall raiding when tanks were pushing 10k HP and they were the shit, now you have cloths pushing that 15 levels later.

You have tanks pushing over 200k health now as the norm. I hit 100k on my healer today.

And yeah, hate it when I have an item for 2 years only to have it replaced :p

[Exodus]

Meh it's all about the social aspect, what I liked about WoW was working out strategy to overcome raid encounters. Working in tandem and getting shit done is probably the most fun I have had out of any game whatsoever. Left 4 Dead kind of hits that spot but on this level, it's just something of its own.

[Hawkzombie]

Yeah...I hate playing WoW without people to at least BS with.

[Matthias]

Honestly, that's the biggest reason why I can't ever seem to make it a few weeks at best of play during school breaks before I get bored and quit- back in the BC days, when I first picked up the game, most of my friends were already in Outland with their mains, and played their alts way faster/longer than I could play my main. We'd be grouping quests together, i'd sign off for the night, and come back the next day to find them 8 levels higher.

Nowadays, I can't seem to even find anyone to guild up with- by the time I found out Proudmoore wasn't a hotspot for y'all, I'd pulled my warlock up enough to not want to alt on another server. My first guild was all 85s that had no interest in answering noobish questions, and this new guild isn't much better, though there are lots of alts on there. Oh well, school starts tomorrow, so it'll probably be another week or so before I drop the game again.

[Exodus]

YOu just gotta find a guild with a lot of lowbies, there's plenty around. Just be a cool person and level up and soon enough you'll be doing instances and get geared up to be part of a group. Course, knowing your class helps a lot.

[Narradisall]

You have tanks pushing over 200k health now as the norm. I hit 100k on my healer today.

And yeah, hate it when I have an item for 2 years only to have it replaced :p

Yeah, seems to have really leaped up from BC days in regards to how much HP etc people push. Though I can understand in raids now with bosses hitting for like a 1/3 of the HP of even the well geared. Just seems weird to have lept so much in the last year or so.

As for the gear, I imagine even the high end raid stuff is replaced fairly soon. Guess thats why I lost interest in raids besides 'seeing' the content.

Ah well, I just can't seem to find interest in playing WoW anymore. Too many other games, not enough time!

[Karak]

YOu just gotta find a guild with a lot of lowbies, there's plenty around. Just be a cool person and level up and soon enough you'll be doing instances and get geared up to be part of a group. Course, knowing your class helps a lot.

Ya. I am enjoying the guild I made. We have mostly low level and new players mixed with a couple high level to help and assist the new people. Its been a freaking blast. Some of the coolest people I have met are in the guild. Though I screen for a while before I invite them. Haven't kicked anyone yet.

[Matthias]

Yeah, I've been doing my best to ask around for good social guilds, but they never seem to pan out. I'm staying with this third guild simply for the XP boost...

[Karak]

Yeah, I've been doing my best to ask around for good social guilds, but they never seem to pan out. I'm staying with this third guild simply for the XP boost...

Ya. I just made my own that way I could control who joined. Its worked great. We have 85 members and some insanely nice gents. Its been a blast. I really do like that they all help one another and work on trading, gathering. We also have weekly guild events for gathering for peoples professions or items, or just to get them achievements.

[roboninja]

YOu just gotta find a guild with a lot of lowbies, there's plenty around. Just be a cool person and level up and soon enough you'll be doing instances and get geared up to be part of a group. Course, knowing your class helps a lot.

I have been constantly asked to join guilds while levelling. It nearly reaches harassment levels, so I do not think finding a guild would be hard. Now, guild quality...

[Stoke]

I'm stuck on something and need a little help. Recently I've been playing 2 new characters, a warlock and a paladin. I'm not familiar enough with dungeons to tank so the paladin is speced as DPS. I've only played 3 classes enough to generally get a feel for how they play, a demo lock, feral druid, and ret paladin. Everything is great with the druid and paladin but I just can not get anywhere close to their DPS with the warlock no matter what spec I try. Last night I ran a dungeon with an elemental shaman and a feral druid who were both doing double my DPS while the warrior tank was doing about 150%. Hell, the priest was doing about half my dps while still healing. A friend I'm leveling with is playing a mage in the same shoes. Both of our gear is quest greens/dungeon blues on par for our level.

Is there something I'm missing about magical DPS classes? I've read forums/guides and asked around. I'm doing everything I can to maximize my DPS but it doesn't seem to help. Are these classes just underpowered until later in the game or do I just suck? :p

[evilgoodwin]

I'm stuck on something and need a little help. Recently I've been playing 2 new characters, a warlock and a paladin. I'm not familiar enough with dungeons to tank so the paladin is speced as DPS. I've only played 3 classes enough to generally get a feel for how they play, a demo lock, feral druid, and ret paladin. Everything is great with the druid and paladin but I just can not get anywhere close to their DPS with the warlock no matter what spec I try. Last night I ran a dungeon with an elemental shaman and a feral druid who were both doing double my DPS while the warrior tank was doing about 150%. Hell, the priest was doing about half my dps while still healing. A friend I'm leveling with is playing a mage in the same shoes. Both of our gear is quest greens/dungeon blues on par for our level.

Is there something I'm missing about magical DPS classes? I've read forums/guides and asked around. I'm doing everything I can to maximize my DPS but it doesn't seem to help. Are these classes just underpowered until later in the game or do I just suck? :p

What's your rotation? Do you have a Curse and a Bane up at all times, as well as corruption? Do you have your pet (imp) attacking as well? Immolate is probably the most important spell you have, because it enables conflagarate, which you should cast at every opportunity. If a DoT is about to drop AND you can cast conflagarate, cast that first, then renew your DoT. Furthermore, what level are you?

You're not going to do massive DPS on Trash, sadly. Bosses are where you destroy.

Oh, and don't use Shadow Bolt, use Immolate. Shadow Bolt is dead to you now.

[Stoke]

What's your rotation? Do you have a Curse and a Bane up at all times, as well as corruption? Do you have your pet (imp) attacking as well? Immolate is probably the most important spell you have, because it enables conflagarate, which you should cast at every opportunity. If a DoT is about to drop AND you can cast conflagarate, cast that first, then renew your DoT. Furthermore, what level are you?

You're not going to do massive DPS on Trash, sadly. Bosses are where you destroy.

Oh, and don't use Shadow Bolt, use Immolate. Shadow Bolt is dead to you now.

I'm only 28 right now. I start off with Immolate followed by Corruption and Bane of Agony/Doom depending on how long the fight will be. After that I'll use Conflagrate and the mob will probably be dead shortly thereafter. Usually no time to cast Shadow Bolt even if I wanted too. I usually don't use Curse of Weakness/Tongue on trash since it seems a waste but I'll throw them in after Conflagrate on a boss. Pet is always attacking when I am.

The main problem is things just die to quickly for the DoTs to work well.

[Karak]

IS there any spell or whatever that a Ret Paly doesn't need to use or is now useless? I am doing pretty good with damage and healing in a pinch. I usually do about 45,000 during any PVP for healing and around 22,000 for a battle. Mostly I just hammer the fuck out of Crusader strike and a couple others until Exorcism triggers.

[Ghostbear]

Just letting everyone know they are welcome to join me on Garona, Clan Silver Beard. Ask for Wiam or Llandra. We could use a few more healers, but honestly anyone is welcome.

On a separate note, I am having a great time leveling a paladin tank.

[Karak]

Shoot. I never even thought of getting COG'ser.
If anyone is on Farstriders also hit me up. We are "Infernals"
Smelteron is the Guildmaster and would also love anyone who wants to join and do some dance offs and raids:)

Also yes Ghostbear, Paladin Tanks...honestly the most fun I have had in CoG. I am not sure why but such a fucking blast.

[evilgoodwin]

I'm only 28 right now. I start off with Immolate followed by Corruption and Bane of Agony/Doom depending on how long the fight will be. After that I'll use Conflagrate and the mob will probably be dead shortly thereafter. Usually no time to cast Shadow Bolt even if I wanted too. I usually don't use Curse of Weakness/Tongue on trash since it seems a waste but I'll throw them in after Conflagrate on a boss. Pet is always attacking when I am.

The main problem is things just die to quickly for the DoTs to work well.

Ah, didn't realize that you don't get anything good until later. It's been a while since I've levelled one. But I levelled when Drain-Tanking was the preferred levelling build, and I don't know if that's even possible now. :)

Anyway, on Trash, you can probably just use Immolate, Conflagarate, and just Shadow Bolt / Drain Health / Drain Soul to Death. When the mob has less than 25% health, Drain Soul does 4x damage.

[Matthias]

Ah, didn't realize that you don't get anything good until later. It's been a while since I've levelled one. But I levelled when Drain-Tanking was the preferred levelling build, and I don't know if that's even possible now. :)

Anyway, on Trash, you can probably just use Immolate, Conflagarate, and just Shadow Bolt / Drain Health / Drain Soul to Death. When the mob has less than 25% health, Drain Soul does 4x damage.

I've been meaning to ask a couple questions about warlocks, actually. I know people say Affliction is the best solo/leveling build, but what demon should I be keeping out there for the most part? I like letting the demon tank, but the void doesn't really hold aggro for me any more, and neither of the other two demons you have by 40 do either. I don't really have the health to tank well myself, so I switched over to Demon to use the Felguard.

I've also been using Demon for dungeoning so far; It lacks the help to shadowbolt and casting times, but I seem to perform better in general with it.

So should I ditch one of these trees for destruction? Is it still better at DPS in the lower levels? Should I stick with demonology as my solo tree, or am I missing some integral part of demon management in Affliction that will keep me from getting spanked? I'm used to pulling multiple targets as I finish my DoT rotation on each, but is this no longer a correct solo strategy?

[evilgoodwin]

I've been meaning to ask a couple questions about warlocks, actually. I know people say Affliction is the best solo/leveling build, but what demon should I be keeping out there for the most part? I like letting the demon tank, but the void doesn't really hold aggro for me any more, and neither of the other two demons you have by 40 do either. I don't really have the health to tank well myself, so I switched over to Demon to use the Felguard.

I've also been using Demon for dungeoning so far; It lacks the help to shadowbolt and casting times, but I seem to perform better in general with it.

So should I ditch one of these trees for destruction? Is it still better at DPS in the lower levels? Should I stick with demonology as my solo tree, or am I missing some integral part of demon management in Affliction that will keep me from getting spanked? I'm used to pulling multiple targets as I finish my DoT rotation on each, but is this no longer a correct solo strategy?

When I levelled, it was easier. We drain-tanked until we could get the felguard, then respecced to Demon. To drain tank, you'd throw on Immolate, Siphon Life (which was its own spell), and Corruption, using Drain Life as your high damage spell. You wouldn't have 100% health all the time, but it was high enough that it didn't matter. Your succubus tore up the mobs, and you would renew mana with Dark Pact instead of Life Tap. This was for soloing, mind you.

Once the felguard came into the picture, most locks dropped Affliction, because the FG did a lot of damage. Sadly, I have no idea how the specs do when levelling after all of the changes they've done. Hell, when Lich King first came out, you could get Siphon Life AND a Felguard. It was a brand-new, superfast, indestructible form of Drain Tanking. I could pull non-stop by using only three spells (and Life Tap). It was so powerful, there were only a handful of Elite mobs that you couldn't solo.

So to answer your question, I don't know.

[Stoke]

I've been meaning to ask a couple questions about warlocks, actually. I know people say Affliction is the best solo/leveling build, but what demon should I be keeping out there for the most part? I like letting the demon tank, but the void doesn't really hold aggro for me any more, and neither of the other two demons you have by 40 do either. I don't really have the health to tank well myself, so I switched over to Demon to use the Felguard.

I've also been using Demon for dungeoning so far; It lacks the help to shadowbolt and casting times, but I seem to perform better in general with it.

So should I ditch one of these trees for destruction? Is it still better at DPS in the lower levels? Should I stick with demonology as my solo tree, or am I missing some integral part of demon management in Affliction that will keep me from getting spanked? I'm used to pulling multiple targets as I finish my DoT rotation on each, but is this no longer a correct solo strategy?

If you like letting the demon tank, Demo is really the only option. Everything I've read, and personal experience on this and another lock have shown that no other pet can hold a mobs attention than the Felguard.

For soloing, what I generally do is send in the Felguard, cast 2 DoTs and then move on to another mob using my full rotation while my pet finishes the first. Generally You and your pet will finish about the same time and you can repeat the process near constantly.

[SpacemanSpiff757]

I'll throw in my 2-cents as I play a warlock as a main toon. As mentioned, Affliction is good build to solo (I never went Demo until 85 just to try it out). From doing dailies for a few weeks as Demo, I've noticed that the Felguard still does put out a lot of damage, but similar to what everyone else has said, any minion (Voidwalker and Felguard) can't hold aggro like they used to. Most of the time I still find myself getting beat on a little towards the end of the fight. As for the same dailies at 85 as Destro, I can usually burn down most mobs before health really becomes an issue. So personally, I would say level as Affliction and use the Voidwalker (it worked for me from 80-85).

As for dungeon runs, I use my Destruction spec and the Imp. I've found myself on the top of the damage meters most of the time. Managing multiple adds with your Bane of Havoc is something I recommend learning to use (especially in boss fights if they spawn adds).

For a rotation, I never use Shadow Bolt anymore:

Immolate>Corruption>Bane of Agony/Doom (depending)>Chaos Bolt>Soulburn to Searing Pain>Conflagrate> spam Incinerate>Conflagrate before Immolate expires>Fill in Chaos Bolt when not on cooldown>Soul Fire when it proccs>renew DoTs as necessary and repeat process

If you want to take a look and what I'm working with, here's a link to my character (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/blades-edge/xenobia/simple)

If you really want to get nerdy, check this link out (http://wowmb.net/forums/f9/40935-destruction_advanced_dps_tactics/) (and the rest of Warlock's Den)

[Shjinta]

I'll throw in my 2-cents as I play a warlock as a main toon. As mentioned, Affliction is good build to solo (I never went Demo until 85 just to try it out). From doing dailies for a few weeks as Demo, I've noticed that the Felguard still does put out a lot of damage, but similar to what everyone else has said, any minion (Voidwalker and Felguard) can't hold aggro like they used to. Most of the time I still find myself getting beat on a little towards the end of the fight. As for the same dailies at 85 as Destro, I can usually burn down most mobs before health really becomes an issue. So personally, I would say level as Affliction and use the Voidwalker (it worked for me from 80-85).

As for dungeon runs, I use my Destruction spec and the Imp. I've found myself on the top of the damage meters most of the time. Managing multiple adds with your Bane of Havoc is something I recommend learning to use (especially in boss fights if they spawn adds).

For a rotation, I never use Shadow Bolt anymore:

Immolate>Corruption>Bane of Agony/Doom (depending)>Chaos Bolt>Soulburn to Searing Pain>Conflagrate> spam Incinerate>Conflagrate before Immolate expires>Fill in Chaos Bolt when not on cooldown>Soul Fire when it proccs>renew DoTs as necessary and repeat process

If you want to take a look and what I'm working with, here's a link to my character (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/blades-edge/xenobia/simple)

If you really want to get nerdy, check this link out (http://wowmb.net/forums/f9/40935-destruction_advanced_dps_tactics/) (and the rest of Warlock's Den)


Damn my lock is 83 and your rotation sounds much simpler. For boss fights in instances..

I start with Curse of Elements. Then Shadow bolt if no one in the group can provide the 5% crit buff. If my imp hasn't proc'd my Insta Soulfire, then I either pop Soulburn, or hard cast it. Then i put Doom. Pop immolate and Corruption. Pop Conflag, then Chaos bolt. Incinerate until I need to refresh dots, or pop abilities that just came off CD.

I average about 7kish dps per fight. I see end game raid locks doing insane damage with Affliction, I have like zero idea how they do it. It's my second spec and I can barely do 5k on bosses with it.

As for leveling? Affliction is easier. Not sure now with Cataclysm, before in Wrath I was pulling 5-10 mobs at once and just AOEing everything down.

Oh and I play on Drenden if anyone ever ends up there.

[Vasanni]

Was looking at posted logs and meters for paragon's heroic raids. The tanks were putting out over 15k sustained on bosses, with most dps around 25-30k. If I bust my ass with my ele sham I might pull over 20k single target bosses, but I hope the rest will come from gear scaling (I'm around 348 now), because I have no clue what to change otherwise.

[rein]

Would you?

I have two druids that are level 41 (Tauren & Troll) and have had some fun with both. I'm loving feral in PVE but moonkin not as much. I am thinking about dropping one of them. Even though the Troll animal forms look a little clownish I'm thinking about keeping it and trying out a Pali. I figure I could reuse Johnstamoos for a Tauren Pali. Would you delete a level 41 toon to reuse the name?

[Stoke]

Would you?

I have two druids that are level 41 (Tauren & Troll) and have had some fun with both. I'm loving feral in PVE but moonkin not as much. I am thinking about dropping one of them. Even though the Troll animal forms look a little clownish I'm thinking about keeping it and trying out a Pali. I figure I could reuse Johnstamoos for a Tauren Pali. Would you delete a level 41 toon to reuse the name?

Would I? Indeed. But mainly because I'll spend upwards of an hour deciding on a name. If I can skip that process by using a name I've had in the past I will. :p Also, this is why I want whoever used "Stoke" and "Matroska" on Garona to die in a fire.

[anakin876]

Would I? Indeed. But mainly because I'll spend upwards of an hour deciding on a name. If I can skip that process by using a name I've had in the past I will. :p Also, this is why I want whoever used "Stoke" and "Matroska" on Garona to die in a fire.

That still wouldn't work. You need them to delete their characters first...

[diablopath]

I have "Arfas" on Garona...whenever I feel like rolling a Worgen DK, I am prepared.

[Troggles]

Helped a bunch of guildies finish the Cataclysm heroic achieves last night. I'm only 3 fairly easy ones away from the Volcanic Stone Drake myself. The thing is so bad ass looking.

[Karak]

Plumped up our guild to over 100 members. Still getting broken quests. Last 9 haven't given any quest rewards. With Blizzard not doing anything but saying "Thanks for the info" I can't keep wasting entire days on quests to get nothing. I have been stuck at 53rd level for 4 days now.

On to Eve I think for me. But up until a couple weeks ago I really do think this was a good time. Really fun lower level stuff.

[rein]

I just got the "Stood in the Fire" acheivement and I am a bit bummed about it. One, I didn't care to get that one. Two, I didn't get to see Deathwing because I was in a building when it happened.

[Stoke]

I just got the "Stood in the Fire" acheivement and I am a bit bummed about it. One, I didn't care to get that one. Two, I didn't get to see Deathwing because I was in a building when it happened.

Yeah, I got that one in Winterspring. The sky got orange and I though "Cool, the sun is setting" and went on with my questing. Then I got killed. :(

[iHap]

I refuse to get that achievement "Stood in the Fire" on my character dntstndnfire (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/moonrunner/dntstndnfire/simple)

[J Arcane]

I've more or less stopped playing this again. Only reason I haven't cancelled is a keep forgetting to.

The problem is, I've more or less run out of stuff to do. I've done all of the 80-85 zones, except most of Vashjir which I didn't like much in practice because navigating it was annoying.

I've levelled several alts, so at this point I've seen most of the revamped content at the lower levels (1-30s) as well (seeing as how there's basically only two zone paths now with a detour for goblins, it wasn't hard). The newly remade zones are great, but once you start getting to the mid game I found myself not enjoying it so much anymore because honestly after a point the zones don't feel nearly as exciting as the earlier ones, if they've been changed at all. It's like they just started running out of ideas by the end.

And of course, the completely broken level rate means you power through the zones so quickly that really, you only get to see every other one until it finally slows down a bit around the 40s and 50s. So despite having leveled half a dozen alts since release it still only actually took me a month or two to do it.

The other problem is that at this point I've played literally every class in the game to at least mid level, so starting up any further alts to, say, experience the revamped Alliance content, just feels sort of pointless.

It's fun, and they made an admirable effort here at making what is essentially the closest we'll get to a sequel for WoW in some time, but I honestly expected it would keep me occupied for longer this time.

[Exodus]

I quit too. I don't have the time to raid nor the commitment. This game is no longer enjoyable and just a time sink again.

[J Arcane]

Yeah, that was another thing. The end-game dungeons are everything I feared they would be, and I simply don't have the patience or the nostalgia to live through the bad old days again. Nor do I appreciate having to go back to trying to wrangle guild groups together if I actually want to do the content and succeed. The random queue was the best feature of Lich, it made it actually possible and worthwhile to do dungeons, but the bottom line is that random yobs on the internet are not capable of tackling the content competently, so the whole thing is exactly the exercise in pointless frustration I expected.

And as Blizzard's response was, basically, "Shut up, you wuss, stop sucking so much," I don't see any improvement on that front happening for some time. Hell they've even buffed a few encounters since.

[rein]

One of the issues I am having about the end game raids being so difficult is that they made the journey to the end game so damn easy. There is no real learning curve. You go from barely using abilities available to your character to damn near needing all of them and then some. At least that is the impression I am getting from reading about the upper level raids. Unfortunately I have not made it there yet. Too much time on alts.

[Exodus]

One of the issues I am having about the end game raids being so difficult is that they made the journey to the end game so damn easy. There is no real learning curve. You go from barely using abilities available to your character to damn near needing all of them and then some. At least that is the impression I am getting from reading about the upper level raids. Unfortunately I have not made it there yet. Too much time on alts.

Yeah, the learning curve is pretty much easy in normal high end dungeons to heroic/raiding where it's hard mode and HARDER mode for heroic raids. I've got no problem with that personally and have downed half of the bosses in bwd, bot and the first in temple of the winds but...let's just face it, it's back to doing your dailies, do your raids and waste 2-3 nights of your life a week.

Why the fuck should I bother doing that when there's more exciting games to play. Raiding is just too monotonous with nothing enticing about even doing it besides RNG loot drops. You would think they would have done something to make people coming back to the game want to stay to play. Design fail.

I loved first encounters devising strategy but that's the only part of raiding I like. After the strategy is down it's just jimmy legging until I see what the drop is and moving on to the next new challenge. When that's over I don't even want to log on anymore. They really have to fix this system for the next mmo.

[rein]

A quick question for anyone that leveled Archeology. Is it better at lower levels to work on the races you do not care as much about so that when you work on ones that you do care about your Archeology level will be higher? Also, will you eventually no longer be able to collect fragments or solve for a race? I know that some will turn gray and no longer level but I keep reading where people miss getting certain drops like they will never be able to get them. I'm currently at level 82 and trying to level it up before going to the Outlands. I am about to hit level 61 just from doing Archeology starting just after dinging 60. Which is fine with me because the less time I have to spend in the Outlands the better.

[Troggles]

There's no point in working on one particular race at any level. You will still get digsites for them even if you finish all their rares. My advice is to go to the areas with the best races for you, as your level doesn't determine what you dig, only where.

[Hawkzombie]

And there are only 4 dig sites per continent at any given time, and when you dig at one place another will randomly pop. So if you're looking for something specific, the real key is simply to strike the earth, and often.

[rein]

Thanks guys. I leveled it up to 86 last night and this morning just doing digs. I figured several things out but I am still unclear what people mean when they say they "didn't get so-and-so" item. I know that some discoveries are rare but I've seen it worded several times like there are miss-able items.

[Stoke]

Thanks guys. I leveled it up to 86 last night and this morning just doing digs. I figured several things out but I am still unclear what people mean when they say they "didn't get so-and-so" item. I know that some discoveries are rare but I've seen it worded several times like there are miss-able items.

Each time you "solve" an item, another random item (picked from a pool of items for your skill level and below) is displayed for you to work toward. The rares only have a chance of showing up if your skill is 450 or above I believe. I'm also fairly certain you can't "miss" and item. If you max your skill you can still survey/solve as much as you want until the item you like pops up for you to solve.

[rein]

Each time you "solve" an item, another random item (picked from a pool of items for your skill level and below) is displayed for you to work toward. The rares only have a chance of showing up if your skill is 450 or above I believe. I'm also fairly certain you can't "miss" and item. If you max your skill you can still survey/solve as much as you want until the item you like pops up for you to solve.

Good to know. I actually came to post that I found the wowwiki site that has items listed but they have level ranges out beside each item. I thought that meant that once you were above that Archeology level you would no longer be able to get that item. On a positive note. I have the [Fossilized Hatchling] (http://www.wowwiki.com/Fossilized_Hatchling) sitting in my fossil queue at 58/85.


* So I solved my [Fossilized Hatchling] (http://www.wowwiki.com/Fossilized_Hatchling) and the very next item that showed up in my fossil queue is the [Fossilized Raptor] (http://www.wowwiki.com/Fossilized_Raptor). I guess I can stock pile fossils for a while to see if they add anything new for the fragments.

[rein]

...and the hits keep on coming. I have been leveling Archeology up to 300 off and on since yesterday. I've been busy so it's a great distraction when I have a little free time. During that time I have received the Fossilized Hatchling pet and currently have the Fossilized Raptor mount and the Clockwork Gnome pet in the queue all before 275 skill. It seems like it is very hit and miss for me when it comes to getting Dwarf dig sites to spawn though. Fortunately the Clockwork Gnome has 3 slots for rune stones. Since it is going to be a busy weekend I hope to log on enough to collect enough fragments for these 2 artifacts before Mon.

The best part. I am only 4 bubbles away from gaining 3 full levels just from doing Archeology. That is 3 levels I will not have to spend in Outlands. :)

[Hawkzombie]

Bleh...I'm growing bored of the game again. But I think it's mostly due to burning myself out trying to get 1 of each class before my Recruit-A-Friend bonus XP ran out on the 17th of this month...

Wish I could sell it and break the WoW addiction for good :p

[Shjinta]

Bleh...I'm growing bored of the game again. But I think it's mostly due to burning myself out trying to get 1 of each class before my Recruit-A-Friend bonus XP ran out on the 17th of this month...

Wish I could sell it and break the WoW addiction for good :p

Oh man. Wish RAF existed when I leveled every class. I've gone so far as to relevel certain classes on new servers. Yep. That bored. Wish I could play something else.

[evilgoodwin]

I've only logged in once in the past few weeks, and that was just to move some stuff from the mailboxes to the banks (plural, for alts). I'm trying to do other things than watch TV and play WoW all weekend. You know, something productive.

Now I just watch TV. I'll try to find something productive. Eventually.

[rein]

My adventures to level Archeology to 300 (actually 315 after completing the queued rares) before heading to Outlands had a pretty decent payoff. I collected two pets, the raptor mount, the stupid mirror and Queen Azshara's Dressing Gown. The gown is neat and all but I do not have a caster at the moment and now if I create one I will probably want to choose between a female or a cross-dressing Troll. I also ended up leveling 3 3/4 levels from Archeology with a couple of dailies mixed in. Not too bad for just running around and collecting things.

[anakin876]

I got archeology to 315. So far the only thing I've found that wasn't vendor trash was the fossil pet. Nothing else. The only thing I've gotten out of arch is boredom, frustration, and a silly little pet. I don't expect epic rares (although a cool flying mount that only requires fully leveled arch and not ALCHEMY too would be nice...) but something useful, a BoA for an alt for example, would be great after leveling a profession past 315!

[rein]

My next solve was for Night Elves and it placed Kaldorei Wind Chimes in my queue so I am definitely having the opposite experience that you did. Just getting to 335 I got four blue and two purple drops. Granted the items are not very useful but they are still fun. We'll see if my luck holds out when I am going for some of the higher level rares.

One thing you might check is AH prices for the scrolls you are collecting. I have not sold any on the AH but I've seen them listed anywhere from 110-200 GP on my server. Not too bad if they are selling at those prices. That might be a way to get something out of it if you're not getting good artifacts.

I'm still having fun with it but it is not something I would "grind" unless I just had the free time to do it. Since I knew I wouldn't have any time to commit to other games or questing this weekend I spent the breaks I did have doing a few dig sites here and there. It made leveling much more bearable. I also used griffins to fly to more concentrated areas of dig sites so I wouldn't have to sit at the pc while traveling. I still couldn't imagine trying to do much Archeology before getting a flying mount though. Just some of the Troll sites would drive me nuts if I couldn't shift and fly over walls and other barriers.


edit -Just to experiment I threw 10 random scrolls/tablets/rune stones on the AH @ 100 gold each and sold all 10 within 12 hours. So, if you are doing Archeology and are getting too many scrolls etc it's pretty easy money. At least on my server.

[Blue]

Fired up my sub again to see what all of the Cataclysm stuff was all about. Got my Druid to 85 and am enjoying myself so far. Love some of the new zones and the quests are quite entertaining. I'm still running regular instances to get geared for Heroics but I'm not seeing the difficulty curve I've been hearing folks yell about. Maybe I've just gotten lucky but I've PuG'd everything so far (honestly, it's rare if I don't PuG) and had zero wipes and no problems at all with CC or people following directions.

The encounters themselves aren't difficult in any way and they're still light years easier than they were back in Vanilla, at least as far as CC goes and everyone needing to be on point. Heck, most of the time the tank still just runs in and grabs everything and we blow them up. I'm sure that'll change come H mode but I'm not seeing the fear. In truth, I'm hoping for a steeper challenge when I make it to Heroics as right now I can alt-tab and still do just fine on the dps charts and keep my target CC'd.

Eh. Good times regardless. I polished off Hyjal (the Joust nod ruled), Deepholm, and Uldum. Working my way through Twilight right now and then off to finish off Vashj'ir. I stopped about twenty quests in as I wasn't too big of a fan. Not bad, just not my cup.

I'm looking forward to seeing some of the ten-man content. I'm sure I'll get tired eventually but I love seeing new content and just the art direction along with the encounters behind it. Gear for me is just really a product of wanting to see said content. Could care less how good my gear is as long as it enables me to progress in some way.

[rein]

4.06 hit today and with it came a few nerfs but I don't care. Know why I don't care? Cause I am a MF'n bat!

[Stoke]

4.06 hit today and with it came a few nerfs but I don't care. Know why I don't care? Cause I am a MF'n bat!

I'm indifferent to the Ret pally changes but the archaeology change is annoying. I'll be putting off leveling that until I can afford a swift flight mount now.

[UWCrash]

The "good" rares from Archaeology are what won't show up until you're over 450 skill, which is mainly the level 85 epics. You also won't see Tol'vir dig sites until 450, which are the only place you can get the alchemy mount recipe. You can get a lot of the vanity items below that, as well as the non-lv85 epics (I got the lv70 Orc epic helm as soon as I went to Outlands at 300 skill).

At this point there's no reason to stockpile items from a given race. 4.0.6 introduce a 200 fragment hard-cap on how many you can hold for a single race at any time, and even if you've already got all the rares, some of the grey items now vendor for 200g+ (such as "Imprint of a Kraken Tentacle" from Fossil). Knowing this was coming for a few weeks, I just vendored off over 2k worth of greys this morning that I had been stashing in my bank.

[rein]

I'm indifferent to the Ret pally changes but the archaeology change is annoying. I'll be putting off leveling that until I can afford a swift flight mount now.
Archeology will buy you that swift flight mount. Not only are vendor prices for commons much higher now but selling the extra scrolls, runes and such will net you some easy gold. As I posted above, as an experiment I placed 10 random scrolls and runes on my server's AH @ 100 gold each and sold them all in a 12 hour listing. 1000g for selling a few extras. Not too bad. Of course, server AH prices vary but even at half that it's easy money.

[roboninja]

Hmmm, just got my Goblin rogue to level 81. Might have to look into this archaeology thing; have no tried it so far.

[SonofSeth]

I basically leveled from 82 to 85 only with Archeology, it was kind of a zen experience. I also think it's awesome for podcasting. Really don't like questing and listening to other people speak, I'm one of those that still reads quest text.

One more thing archeology is great for is world PVP, I haven't done so much random PVPing since like, well never really.

[ShivaX]

Hmmm, just got my Goblin rogue to level 81. Might have to look into this archaeology thing; have no tried it so far.

Don't make anything with your fragments early on.

It starts out every time you find a fragment you get a point, then that stops and all your points are from completing crap. At that point most people realize how bad its going to suck and stop, especially after they read about other people doing it and the level of success one can expect.

[J Arcane]

however, it is important to note that the recent patch put a cap of 200 on fragments.

If you had more before the patcg, they're still there, but from this point on you wont be able to get more than 200.

[evilgoodwin]

however, it is important to note that the recent patch put a cap of 200 on fragments.

If you had more before the patcg, they're still there, but from this point on you wont be able to get more than 200.

I think they also changed it so you won't get more points after 50 anyway, so hoard until then.

[Stoke]

I think they also changed it so you won't get more points after 50 anyway, so hoard until then.

They did. I also can't get past 61 in skill level. For some reason I've gone 13 combines in a row without a skill up so I decided I'd had enough. Nothing from archaeology is worth that much time. I did however get herbalism on my druid, and mining and skinning on my Pally maxed for their level. I spend an half hour every day doing that to bring in a little money.

[evilgoodwin]

They did. I also can't get past 61 in skill level. For some reason I've gone 13 combines in a row without a skill up so I decided I'd had enough. Nothing from archaeology is worth that much time. I did however get herbalism on my druid, and mining and skinning on my Pally maxed for their level. I spend an half hour every day doing that to bring in a little money.

Odd. I got a skill from every combination. But at least the greys sell for more gold now.

[Troggles]

They did. I also can't get past 61 in skill level. For some reason I've gone 13 combines in a row without a skill up so I decided I'd had enough. Nothing from archaeology is worth that much time. I did however get herbalism on my druid, and mining and skinning on my Pally maxed for their level. I spend an half hour every day doing that to bring in a little money.

All combines are worth 5 skill ups. I don't know what you're doing, but it doesn't sound like archeology.

[Stoke]

All combines are worth 5 skill ups. I don't know what you're doing, but it doesn't sound like archeology.

What the fuck? Are you sure? If so I'm getting royally shafted.

[Troggles]

What the fuck? Are you sure? If so I'm getting royally shafted.

Yep. 5 for common artifacts completed, and 15 for rares.

[Stoke]

Yep. 5 for common artifacts completed, and 15 for rares.

Well I'll be damned. I guess I'll put in a support ticket when I can be arsed to wait around all day.

[bstiff]

Is there an achievement for most bg's won while wearing the fishing hat and wielding a fishing pole? Ive done that like three times in the last couple days. Just fishing away, get sucked into bg and afterwards I notice it. I guess at least the alliance gets a laugh at the giant cow flailing at them with a fishing rod.

[Deadend]

Hahahaahahahahahaha.

I canceled my wow account ages ago. Last night I noticed in my spam box is some stuff about buying Cataclysm, password change and suspension.
I found it odd, so I goto battle.net, turns out it wasn't spam.
My account got stolen, but not all the way, I quickly took control back of my account, changed passwords (I used a special one for wow as I know how it's a popular target) and now my Death Knight is lv 83.
I got about a month left on my wow account, but most of my gold is gone, but I have my lv 80 gear. I have no clue how I leveled up, as it doesn't seem like the gold sellers/farmers were doing it right.

[Exodus]

I just heard that ZG and ZA are now 'tier 2' heroic 5 mans.

I quit but god damn blizzard. God damn them I want to come back.

DAMN THEM. I don't want to raid I just want to do heroics.

DAMN THEM!

[Hawkzombie]

I'm done...I can't afford this AND Rift anyway :p

[Ghostbear]

Hey guys, My guild on Garona is doing some light recruiting. We'd like to reliably field a 10 man raid. Keep in mind we're not going to be hardcore raiders or anything, but once or twice a week for a few hours is our goal. If you're interested, PM me here and we'll get you an invite.

We're a good group and have been a guild on the server since the launch of vanilla. So if you want a good group of folks to hang out with in game and are looking to do heroics and light raiding, let me know.

[UWCrash]

I'll take it under consideration, but I won't join anyone that isn't at least 6/12HM.

[tortiekat]

Pretty new here, but figured I'd toss out my WoW info.

Main server: Garona

Svetya - draenei hunter (85)
Panacéa - gnome priest (85)
Aeraenlys - night elf rogue (83)

Also, an assortment of alts sprinkled around.

[Hawkzombie]

Panacéa sounds oddly familiar to me...

[Blue]

Check your left or right arm. Maybe the wrist. Wherever you kids get tattoos these days.

[Hawkzombie]

I got mine on my chest :p

[Blue]

Like a necklace? Please tell me it's like a necklace.

Also: welcome tort! I apologize that you were first met by HZ, but he's the first line of our forum defense. If you make it through him, you should be fine here.

[Hawkzombie]

It's like a long story.

And since when am I the guard dog?!

[Blue]

Oh I know the story, just hoping the letters formed a necklace. Hence my assuming you had Panacéa somewhere on your body and it sounding familiar.

And I dunno. Since...before. Then.

[Hawkzombie]

When will then be now?

SOON!

[Blue]

Whoooooooooo?